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MaximizedAction wrote...
BTW, tried to play Arrival without music on and heard those high pitch notes already in the hangar while Kenson was hacking that elevator.
You know, the notes that were posted about yesterday (while the Crucible beam is charging).
So +1 from me for the Crucible acting like something along the lines of Object Rho.
EpyonX3 wrote...
Shepard was on the Crucible! Not the Citadel, I shall render evidence of this shortly.
blooregard wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
Two notes...
1. Isn't there a QE comm on the Normandy where Shepard refers to Anderson as Admiral...only to have Anderson tell him not to be so formal? Can't remember the exact timing of it in game, but I want to say that is shortly after leaving Earth, mayber after finishing the mission on Menae...
2. I'm not convinced that the Crucible itself is the trap...I think that the Conduit is the trap (in fact I think that it is a device similar to the Reaper indoctrination device from Aequitas and Object Rho). I get the feeling that the "Waking Nightmare Theory" could very well be in play (in that what we see during the entire game is a mix of reality and hallucination) and that at the very least Shepard's indoctrination began with the events on Arrival (canon be damned).
As ME 3 progresses the Reapers learn of the Crucible and that it very well maybe the key to their defeat. They also learn that we do not have/know everything that we need to complete it - so they start to lay the groundwork for a plan meant to play on the galaxy's desperation . It starts with using their indoctrinated agent TIM, to create another opponent to distract us from finding what it is we need to finish the Crucible. While also moving their pawn into the position that not only can he steal the data that we need, but be in the position to plant false (or partially false) information for us to follow...which leads to the revelation that Citadel is the catalyst.
At this point, they enact the last stage of their devious plan. They move the Citadel to Earth's orbit, close the arms and leack false intel that makes it appear that the "Conduit" is the only way to access the Citadel. Of course this is all done as a trap to lure the united fleet and more specifically Shepard in their trap - a trap designed with two purposes in mind, bring all of their enemies to one front and give them one last opportunity to complete the indoctrination of what would be their ultimate sleep agent.
If this is the case I'd actually be pretty mad. This IMO would be worse then the endings we got where we still "beat" the Reapers. This ending we have defeat, defeat, or defeat. The only way this could work is if the Reapers could be beaten conventionally (and while our cycle certainly has the best chance out of everyone it still seems unlikely)
Seriously. play it again, then when you are up with starbinger, look up, you will see the crucible above you.EpyonX3 wrote...
OK guys and gals here it is.
http://i49.tinypic.com/dousck.png
What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.
Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
http://i48.tinypic.com/ncfrq0.png
They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.
And look at this!
http://i50.tinypic.com/29kt0ux.png
The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:
1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)
DJBare wrote...
Seriously. play it again, then when you are up with starbinger, look up, you will see the crucible above you.EpyonX3 wrote...
OK guys and gals here it is.
http://i49.tinypic.com/dousck.png
What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.
Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
http://i48.tinypic.com/ncfrq0.png
They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.
And look at this!
http://i50.tinypic.com/29kt0ux.png
The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:
1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)
HellishFiend wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
BTW, tried to play Arrival without music on and heard those high pitch notes already in the hangar while Kenson was hacking that elevator.
You know, the notes that were posted about yesterday (while the Crucible beam is charging).
So +1 from me for the Crucible acting like something along the lines of Object Rho.
Really? How certain are you that it's the same sound? Could be significant.
EpyonX3 wrote...
OK guys and gals here it is.
http://i49.tinypic.com/dousck.png
What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.
Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
http://i48.tinypic.com/ncfrq0.png
They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.
And look at this!
http://i50.tinypic.com/29kt0ux.png
The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:
1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)
Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 24 mai 2012 - 04:29 .
DJBare wrote...
I'm answering this one seperately, I'm convinced it's a trap after we fitted it with a human reaper heart, not to mention it's a war asset the player cannot avoid, it's forced upon you.D.Sharrah wrote...
2. I'm not convinced that the Crucible itself is the trap...I think that the Conduit is the trap (in fact I think that it is a device similar to the Reaper indoctrination device from Aequitas and Object Rho). I get the feeling that the "Waking Nightmare Theory" could very well be in play (in that what we see during the entire game is a mix of reality and hallucination) and that at the very least Shepard's indoctrination began with the events on Arrival (canon be damned).
Dwailing wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
"While we're at it, let's paint a mural of the crucible on the control rooms ceiling!"Dwailing wrote...
"Oh look, we're going to design the Crucible so that you have to shoot a tube to activate it!"
"Brilliant! And oh yeah, while we're doing that, let's make it so that in order for it to be activated in any other way you have to either jump into a beam of energy and dissolve, or you have to grab two electrical things and disintigrate!"
blooregard wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
OK guys and gals here it is.
http://i49.tinypic.com/dousck.png
What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.
Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
http://i48.tinypic.com/ncfrq0.png
They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.
And look at this!
http://i50.tinypic.com/29kt0ux.png
The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:
1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)
You get an A for effort.
D.Sharrah wrote...
*snip*
.... at the very least Shepard's indoctrination began with the events on Arrival (canon be damned).
Dwailing wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
"While we're at it, let's paint a mural of the crucible on the control rooms ceiling!"Dwailing wrote...
"Oh look, we're going to design the Crucible so that you have to shoot a tube to activate it!"
"Brilliant! And oh yeah, while we're doing that, let's make it so that in order for it to be activated in any other way you have to either jump into a beam of energy and dissolve, or you have to grab two electrical things and disintigrate!"
LazyTechGuy wrote...
Wait ... was this known?
Quote from the Rebellion MP Pack announcement:
"Ex-Cerberus Vanguard:
When the Illusive Man turned to indoctrination in order to ensure the loyalty of his troops, many Cerberus operatives defected and joined the Alliance in order to stop the Reapers. Now that we’re on the same team, Ex-Cerberus Vanguards (along with their new Lash attack) are quickly proving their worth."
It's reaper tech, and more importantly it's attuned to humanity since it was created from human colonist, I believe it was the heart that completed TIM's indoctrination while he stood staring at it, my theory is the crucible amplifies the effects of the heart, the reapers do have a particular interest in human genetic diversity.D.Sharrah wrote...
I am not sure...doesn't the codex say that the heart is the power device...now if the power device is synonymous with indoctrination device you have got a point...but I got the feeling from the game that they were trying to point out that there are differnces in "Reaper Tech" and not all "Reaper Tech" leads to indoctrination...hence why I am always ok with Legion using the "reaper code" (ie software) to upgrade the Geth - the software itself does not indoctrinate or make it any more likely that they will get indoctrinated - you still need that piece of the puzzle (or tech) for that to happen.
LazyTechGuy wrote...
Wait ... was this known?
Quote from the Rebellion MP Pack announcement:
"Ex-Cerberus Vanguard:
When the Illusive Man turned to indoctrination in order to ensure the loyalty of his troops, many Cerberus operatives defected and joined the Alliance in order to stop the Reapers. Now that we’re on the same team, Ex-Cerberus Vanguards (along with their new Lash attack) are quickly proving their worth."
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 24 mai 2012 - 04:41 .
Dwailing wrote...
blooregard wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
OK guys and gals here it is.
http://i49.tinypic.com/dousck.png
What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.
Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
http://i48.tinypic.com/ncfrq0.png
They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.
And look at this!
http://i50.tinypic.com/29kt0ux.png
The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:
1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)
You get an A for effort.
Yeah, I'll give him that much.
Modifié par llbountyhunter, 24 mai 2012 - 04:35 .
EpyonX3 wrote...
OK guys and gals here it is.
What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.
Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.
And look at this!
The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:
1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)
RavenEyry wrote...
I think Epyon is saying the 'choice chamber' opens from the front of the crucible and connects to the flat tower base. In this case looking up would show the rest of the crucible, would show stars to the side and could even have a life support field. It actually makes a lot of sense.
LazyTechGuy wrote...
Wait ... was this known?
Quote from the Rebellion MP Pack announcement:
"Ex-Cerberus Vanguard:
When the Illusive Man turned to indoctrination in order to ensure the loyalty of his troops, many Cerberus operatives defected and joined the Alliance in order to stop the Reapers. Now that we’re on the same team, Ex-Cerberus Vanguards (along with their new Lash attack) are quickly proving their worth."
dreamgazer wrote...
LazyTechGuy wrote...
Wait ... was this known?
Quote from the Rebellion MP Pack announcement:
"Ex-Cerberus Vanguard:
When the Illusive Man turned to indoctrination in order to ensure the loyalty of his troops, many Cerberus operatives defected and joined the Alliance in order to stop the Reapers. Now that we’re on the same team, Ex-Cerberus Vanguards (along with their new Lash attack) are quickly proving their worth."
There's a stray line of dialogue on the Cerberus base---from EDI---that suggests as such, I believe, shortly before you enter into the general area where the human Reaper is stored.
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