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[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I missed your post sorry.

I have to look at it again. I just found these out so I don't have a well thought out explanation to all of it. However, the based on the last pic I posted, it shows the decision chamber before it hits the citadel. No matter where Shep is, the decision room is of Crucible origin.

Technically he's on both the Citadel and the Crucible since the crucible is physically connected to the citadel.

This is the last thing I'm going to say about it, because I feel bad for the people who try to keep up with this thread and are going to have to sift through this nonsense. Take a look at the two pictures in Parabolee77's post. One of them you cant see a thing, the other you can clearly, without a doubt, cross reference Shepard's location as being on the Citadel. If you're not convinced, then fine, we'll just agree to disagree.

I feel that people are ignoring what my pictures are showing. We are posting about the same object here. Are you denying that there is an object sticking out of the crucible before it docks? There is something there that isn't when it docks. It changes shape and transitions then it's gone. Notice how after it docks we don't see the base it connects to anymore. It's entirely plausible that the decision room was ejected onto the citadel.

[D.Sharrah]

DJBare wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...
I am not sure...doesn't the codex say that the heart is the power device...now if the power device is synonymous with indoctrination device you have got a point...but I got the feeling from the game that they were trying to point out that there are differnces in "Reaper Tech" and not all "Reaper Tech" leads to indoctrination...hence why I am always ok with Legion using the "reaper code" (ie software) to upgrade the Geth - the software itself does not indoctrinate or make it any more likely that they will get indoctrinated - you still need that piece of the puzzle (or tech) for that to happen.

It's reaper tech, and more importantly it's attuned to humanity since it was created from human colonist, I believe it was the heart that completed TIM's indoctrination while he stood staring at it, my theory is the crucible amplifies the effects of the heart, the reapers do have a particular interest in human genetic diversity.

See bolded section of my statement...I'm just not so sure that this is the case.  Again, I thought they were trying to make it clear that not all reaper tech is created with the intent of indoctrinating...otherwise all that reaper tech you are sending back to Hackett to anaylze would indoctrinate everyone that it comes into contact with (and while this would provide evidence for the Hackett is indoctrinated theory), I am inclined to think that it takes "special" reaper tech to indoctrinate (like the nanites that are injected into husks from Dragon's teeth or Object Rho).  The big questions is, are either of the objects that you get from the Collector Base mission this "special" tech?  I am more inclined to think this if this is the case, it would be the "Reaper Mind" (from the Save the Base Decision)... 

[DJBare]

Epynox
See the 4 prongs hanging down in the left hand image?, now look at the prongs in the right hand image, yeah.

[Parabolee77]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The decision chamber is more visible in this picture. Come really think about it.

I understand what you are trying to say, but again look at this image -



This is a moment before it makes final contact on the left and then the view from the "decision chamber" .

You can see clear as day that the prongs have nothing under them that is part of the crucible, you can see these prongs above you in the "decision chamber". So the surface you are stood on is CLEARLY the underside of the platform that the Citadel Tower sits on...

So you are clearly on the Citadel. There can be no mistake about this.

Like I mentioned in the first post, the decision chamber may have released and connected to the citadel during the last phase of docking. Look at the third picture and compare it to the first. The prongs are mor visible on the third picture as it gets closer to the citadel. The base under the prongs(to the right) is further away from the crucible.

Oh you are talking about this part -



We clearly see that part come OFF the Crucible before getting close to the Citadel. And by the way it floats off it clearly does not land on the Citadel platform.

Go watch that video again and you'll see the part you are talking about is BEFORE the Citadel breaks it's outer shell off. The prongs are not even revealed at that point.

[llbountyhunter]

HellishFiend wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...


The Crucible is not gone, it is behind the Citadel. The Crucible docked from the rear (which is why it meets the underside of the Citadel tower) and we are seeing the Citadel from the front.

No, it's gone. The crucible is so large that you would be able to see it in the empty space within the Presidium ring.  It's not there. 

is this what you were talking about? 

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...
Like I mentioned in the first post, the decision chamber may have released and connected to the citadel during the last phase of docking. Look at the third picture and compare it to the first. The prongs are mor visible on the third picture as it gets closer to the citadel. The base under the prongs(to the right) is further away from the crucible.

Actually I was going to explain it away by saying that it fits Anderson's lines with "Walls moving and changing" perfectly, which is why it looks different than the cinematic. The bottom of the citadel tower "changed" to fit the crucible prong/beam device. Sorry, I don't think these shots do much for IT.

[HellishFiend]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...


The Crucible is not gone, it is behind the Citadel. The Crucible docked from the rear (which is why it meets the underside of the Citadel tower) and we are seeing the Citadel from the front.

No, it's gone. The crucible is so large that you would be able to see it in the empty space within the Presidium ring.  It's not there. 

is this what you were talking about? 

No, look at 1:50

[Parabolee77]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...


The Crucible is not gone, it is behind the Citadel. The Crucible docked from the rear (which is why it meets the underside of the Citadel tower) and we are seeing the Citadel from the front.

No, it's gone. The crucible is so large that you would be able to see it in the empty space within the Presidium ring.  It's not there. 

is this what you were talking about? 

Yes freeze that video at 36 seconds. The crucible is right there, clear as day! And as you say, massive.

It's just on the rear of the Citadel.

[HellishFiend]

Parabolee77 wrote...


Yes freeze that video at 36 seconds. The crucible is right there, clear as day! And as you say, massive.

It's just on the rear of the Citadel.

See above. Look at 1:50.

[Parabolee77]

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...


The Crucible is not gone, it is behind the Citadel. The Crucible docked from the rear (which is why it meets the underside of the Citadel tower) and we are seeing the Citadel from the front.

No, it's gone. The crucible is so large that you would be able to see it in the empty space within the Presidium ring.  It's not there. 

is this what you were talking about? 

No, look at 1:50

Look at 1:37. Crucible clearly visable under the Citadel tower. At 1:50 we are looking at the Citadel from a long way away and the rear is obscured by the explosion. 

[HellishFiend]

I'm fairly convinced it's not there. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 24 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

blooregard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

OK guys and gals here it is.

http://i49.tinypic.com/dousck.png


What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.

Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
http://i48.tinypic.com/ncfrq0.png


They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.

And look at this!
http://i50.tinypic.com/29kt0ux.png

The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:

1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)

You get an A for effort.

Yeah, I'll give him that much.

So you are saying that part pierced the bottom of the Citadel Tower?

nice picture! is that a flycam? 


sorry epyon...

That's actually my flycam. I was looking for a way to take a pic of it but he beat me to it.

This image is the crucible, not the citadel tower. If you look at the citadel tower's base, it's much larger than this. The crucible is either sitting on top of the base and transfers energy that way or it piecred the tower onto the base and then connected to the platform.

"If you look at the citadel tower's base, it's much larger than this."
If you look at the pin from your screens, it's much smaller than this.

I don't follow u.

The diameter doesn't fit. The "pin" part has a smaller diameter than that where the energy is released, but the platform where you choose is just a little smaller than the diameter of the dented part of the crucible, and that actually fits the diameter of the base of the tower. It is more likely that it gets retracted:

[EpyonX3]

Parabolee77 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The decision chamber is more visible in this picture. Come really think about it.

I understand what you are trying to say, but again look at this image -



This is a moment before it makes final contact on the left and then the view from the "decision chamber" .

You can see clear as day that the prongs have nothing under them that is part of the crucible, you can see these prongs above you in the "decision chamber". So the surface you are stood on is CLEARLY the underside of the platform that the Citadel Tower sits on...

So you are clearly on the Citadel. There can be no mistake about this.

Like I mentioned in the first post, the decision chamber may have released and connected to the citadel during the last phase of docking. Look at the third picture and compare it to the first. The prongs are mor visible on the third picture as it gets closer to the citadel. The base under the prongs(to the right) is further away from the crucible.

Oh you are talking about this part -



We clearly see that part come OFF the Crucible before getting close to the Citadel. And by the way it floats off it clearly does not land on the Citadel platform.

Go watch that video again and you'll see the part you are talking about is BEFORE the Citadel breaks it's outer shell off. The prongs are not even revealed at that point.

No actually. I think this is where the confusion is coming from.



7:13-718

I zoomed in on that part.

[llbountyhunter]

HellishFiend wrote...




I'm fairly convinced it's not there. 

at this point I dont think it "disappeard", it think it was destroyed. (due to it not made of the same materail as the citadel.... aslo enforces the fact that shepard couldnt of survived this part)

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...


The Crucible is not gone, it is behind the Citadel. The Crucible docked from the rear (which is why it meets the underside of the Citadel tower) and we are seeing the Citadel from the front.

No, it's gone. The crucible is so large that you would be able to see it in the empty space within the Presidium ring.  It's not there. 

is this what you were talking about? 

It's not gone. Or at least we can't tell because it's a shot from far away and we can't see throught the smoke of the blast. It's rather unlikely that the crucible and all of it's parts vaporized yet the citadel rins are still in tact.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...


The Crucible is not gone, it is behind the Citadel. The Crucible docked from the rear (which is why it meets the underside of the Citadel tower) and we are seeing the Citadel from the front.

No, it's gone. The crucible is so large that you would be able to see it in the empty space within the Presidium ring.  It's not there. 

is this what you were talking about? 

It's not gone. Or at least we can't tell because it's a shot from far away and we can't see throught the smoke of the blast. It's rather unlikely that the crucible and all of it's parts vaporized yet the citadel rins are still in tact.

actually its very likey because the citadel is made of nigh indestructible material. the crucide was made by man.  the fact that the crucible was vaprozed means that explosion was even greator than previosly imagined... AND that shepard wouldve been vaporized as well.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

blooregard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

OK guys and gals here it is.

http://i49.tinypic.com/dousck.png


What is this object sticking out of the Crucible before it dock? Notice that it's round like a pillar and doesn't look like the prongs we see right as it is connecting. It's possible that this ejects into the citadel just as it docks.

Check this out. If Shepard was on the Citadel, then where are all of the features of the decision room?
http://i48.tinypic.com/ncfrq0.png


They're not there because it's not part of the Citadel. I'll produce an image later but the energy that comes from the crucible flows down a cylindrical structure similar to that of the first image.

And look at this!
http://i50.tinypic.com/29kt0ux.png

The prongs seem so expand but that cylinder is still visible. Shepard is standing on the cylinder. If this is true, this will explain how:

1) Shepard is breathing after he picks destory, the crucible has its own life support
2) How there are items from the normandy on the platform
3) And how Shepard is breathing before picking an option (Point 1)

You get an A for effort.

Yeah, I'll give him that much.

So you are saying that part pierced the bottom of the Citadel Tower?

nice picture! is that a flycam? 


sorry epyon...

That's actually my flycam. I was looking for a way to take a pic of it but he beat me to it.

This image is the crucible, not the citadel tower. If you look at the citadel tower's base, it's much larger than this. The crucible is either sitting on top of the base and transfers energy that way or it piecred the tower onto the base and then connected to the platform.

"If you look at the citadel tower's base, it's much larger than this."
If you look at the pin from your screens, it's much smaller than this.

I don't follow u.

The diameter doesn't fit. The "pin" part has a smaller diameter than that where the energy is released, but the platform where you choose is just a little smaller than the diameter of the dented part of the crucible, and that actually fits the diameter of the base of the tower. It is more likely that it gets retracted:

Ok I get you but then isn't that still the case even if Shepard is on the Citadel?

[HellishFiend]

llbountyhunter wrote...

at this point I dont think it "disappeard", it think it was destroyed. (due to it not made of the same materail as the citadel.... aslo enforces the fact that shepard couldnt of survived this part)

It's possible it was destroyed, I agree. In any case, it's not there, which means Shepard couldnt have been on it because then the breath scene wouldn't be possible. 

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...


The Crucible is not gone, it is behind the Citadel. The Crucible docked from the rear (which is why it meets the underside of the Citadel tower) and we are seeing the Citadel from the front.

No, it's gone. The crucible is so large that you would be able to see it in the empty space within the Presidium ring.  It's not there. 

is this what you were talking about? 

It's not gone. Or at least we can't tell because it's a shot from far away and we can't see throught the smoke of the blast. It's rather unlikely that the crucible and all of it's parts vaporized yet the citadel rins are still in tact.

actually its very likey because the citadel is made of nigh indestructible material. the crucide was made by man.  the fact that the crucible was vaprozed means that explosion was even greator than previosly imagined... AND that shepard wouldve been vaporized as well.

But it's contruction had to have been made durable enough to withstand attack. An explosion to the front would not hade vaporized every component, including the arms it attaches to.

[Parabolee77]

EpyonX3 wrote...


No actually. I think this is where the confusion is coming from.



7:13-718

I zoomed in on that part.

EDIT: On closer inspection that object you are talking about clearly has the prongs on the end of it. So sorry your wrong.

You are actually talking about the extended part the prongs are part of. You are just mistakenly thinking it's a different object. Look at the shot again showing it about to make contact, the part you are talking about is above the prongs, looks a bit hidden in the shadows but it's clearly there. 

Modifié par Parabolee77, 24 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The diameter doesn't fit. The "pin" part has a smaller diameter than that where the energy is released, but the platform where you choose is just a little smaller than the diameter of the dented part of the crucible, and that actually fits the diameter of the base of the tower. It is more likely that it gets retracted:

Ok I get you but then isn't that still the case even if Shepard is on the Citadel?

The diameter thing? No it fits about the base of the Citadel Tower, just take note of the diameter of the dent in the Crucible and it's easily comparable.
Also note the prerendered videos are based on a bit older models, the ingame models were slightly rescaled and repositioned to fit better, look at the cubemaps to get better comparisons.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The diameter doesn't fit. The "pin" part has a smaller diameter than that where the energy is released, but the platform where you choose is just a little smaller than the diameter of the dented part of the crucible, and that actually fits the diameter of the base of the tower. It is more likely that it gets retracted:

Ok I get you but then isn't that still the case even if Shepard is on the Citadel?

The diameter thing? No it fits about the base of the Citadel Tower, just take note of the diameter of the dent in the Crucible and it's easily comparable.

Idk it's hard for me to picture it in my head. I'm not good at that, unfortunately. let me look around a bit.

In the mean time, thing about this.

It always bothered me that the base of the tower is flat and smooth, yet when we're making the choice, the room we're standing on is full of holes, grooves and isn't flat and smooth. There are structures carved into the floor like the platforms that raise up when you're about to choose. Where did these come from? The crucible couldn't have created all of it on the fly.

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The diameter doesn't fit. The "pin" part has a smaller diameter than that where the energy is released, but the platform where you choose is just a little smaller than the diameter of the dented part of the crucible, and that actually fits the diameter of the base of the tower. It is more likely that it gets retracted:

Ok I get you but then isn't that still the case even if Shepard is on the Citadel?

The diameter thing? No it fits about the base of the Citadel Tower, just take note of the diameter of the dent in the Crucible and it's easily comparable.

Idk it's hard for me to picture it in my head. I'm not good at that, unfortunately. let me look around a bit.

In the mean time, thing about this.

It always bothered me that the base of the tower is flat and smooth, yet when we're making the choice, the room we're standing on is full of holes, grooves and isn't flat and smooth. There are structures carved into the floor like the platforms that raise up when you're about to choose. Where did these come from? The crucible couldn't have created all of it on the fly.

I would suggest they are part of the Citadel Tower structure and the covering plates get retracted too. Or someone who didn't want to model details onto the surface that you can't really see anyway. (Though the first one is more likely)
Also it is in question if the whole scene is real or in Sheps head, stuff that make no sense would further strengthen the second.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[EpyonX3]

I think I found what the platform and base connect to. They don't penetrate the citadel, they connect to it via this structure.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The diameter doesn't fit. The "pin" part has a smaller diameter than that where the energy is released, but the platform where you choose is just a little smaller than the diameter of the dented part of the crucible, and that actually fits the diameter of the base of the tower. It is more likely that it gets retracted:

Ok I get you but then isn't that still the case even if Shepard is on the Citadel?

The diameter thing? No it fits about the base of the Citadel Tower, just take note of the diameter of the dent in the Crucible and it's easily comparable.

Idk it's hard for me to picture it in my head. I'm not good at that, unfortunately. let me look around a bit.

In the mean time, thing about this.

It always bothered me that the base of the tower is flat and smooth, yet when we're making the choice, the room we're standing on is full of holes, grooves and isn't flat and smooth. There are structures carved into the floor like the platforms that raise up when you're about to choose. Where did these come from? The crucible couldn't have created all of it on the fly.

*takes a look at title of thread* ah, well that explains it.