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[BleedingUranium]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Speaking of carnifex turing into predators. This stuff is done a lot in ME3.
Check this out:

http://i46.tinypic.com/23tp25s.png

Why does Liara have an avenger? She can't even handle Assualt rifles?

But then:
http://i48.tinypic.com/33fdtw3.png


Back to equiped pistol and nothin else.

Because the scene needed an AR, that is also done some times in ME2.

Right. Could it be that they went with a predator so that it was more visible in his hand or for other developmental issues?

Nope.

Why not?

Just posted above

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Speaking of carnifex turing into predators. This stuff is done a lot in ME3.
Check this out:

http://i46.tinypic.com/23tp25s.png

Why does Liara have an avenger? She can't even handle Assualt rifles?

But then:
http://i48.tinypic.com/33fdtw3.png


Back to equiped pistol and nothin else.

Whoever's in that scene has an Avenger, ME2 did it a lot, especially that scene with the door in the Collector Base.

It's because they coded it to be an AR (or ARs are the default, so maybe they didn't set anything), and if that charcter can't have one, they just have the default weapon; an Avenger. They have to code in the guns for everything that's a cutscene, like this, even if they want it to be the weapon that character has equipped.

The Carnifex turning into a Predator at the end has to be on purpose, because they had to code in the Carnifex to appear as soon as the Destroy cutscene started, but then code it to change into a Predator later in the same cutscene. If they didn't set anything for that cutscene, you would have been shooting at the destroy tube with the gameplay Carnifex, but it would have been a Predator throughout the whole cutscene.

Bottom line, it couldn't have been by accident there.

In ME2 if you had a weapon of the needed type it was used in the cutscene.
http://www.youtube.c...8qdEbZWaI#t=61s
Look how my Shep is sporting the Vindicator before and while the cutscene, even with the ammo mod still applied. Grunt keeps his Geth AR and Mordin gets an Avenger.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 mai 2012 - 05:57 .

[BleedingUranium]

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking about the Rebelion Pack...
Guys... I may be crazy, but...
Can you see something weird here? Does this description remind you of anything?

"...Firebase Jade's jungle reservoir and Firebase Goddes Thessia..." 
"Firebase Jade - Surrounded by huge waterfalls, Firebase Jade overlooks an ancient reservoir built by the salarians centuries ago..."

Reminds me of Sur'kesh, which is where it is.

I know what you're getting at, but Sur'kesh doesn't have two huge moons like the end planet.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Speaking of carnifex turing into predators. This stuff is done a lot in ME3.
Check this out:


Why does Liara have an avenger? She can't even handle Assualt rifles?

But then:


Back to equiped pistol and nothin else.

Are you seriously trying to say the Carnifex -> Predator transition in the destroy ending is an accident? Maybe you should go back and read the overwhelming evidence we found to the contrary. 

what page if you know?

The predator files were specifically loaded into the destroy ending.

I know. I saw them. But it is implied in Hellish's post that I think bioware did it by accident or neglected to take it out. I've repeatedly said that I don't think bioware is lazy or incompetent, and yet I keep getting accused of believing that.

I just like presenting other possibilities, rather than just going with whatever sounds good. If this is a pattern we see since ME2, why is this one occurence so special?

Things aren't ever ADDED by acident.

It doesn't follow the pattern because we have never seen the gun switch from one frame to another without the camera pulling away. Also, there was no gameplay after the choice so it was all intentional.

[Ravereth]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking about the Rebelion Pack...
Guys... I may be crazy, but...
Can you see something weird here? Does this description remind you of anything?

"...Firebase Jade's jungle reservoir and Firebase Goddes Thessia..." 
"Firebase Jade - Surrounded by huge waterfalls, Firebase Jade overlooks an ancient reservoir built by the salarians centuries ago..."

Reminds me of Sur'kesh, which is where it is.

I know what you're getting at, but Sur'kesh doesn't have two huge moons like the end planet.

But does it have waterfalls? Because I don't remember seeing them there

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Speaking of carnifex turing into predators. This stuff is done a lot in ME3.
Check this out:

http://i46.tinypic.com/23tp25s.png

Why does Liara have an avenger? She can't even handle Assualt rifles?

But then:
http://i48.tinypic.com/33fdtw3.png


Back to equiped pistol and nothin else.

Whoever's in that scene has an Avenger, ME2 did it a lot, especially that scene with the door in the Collector Base.

It's because they coded it to be an AR (or ARs are the default, so maybe they didn't set anything), and if that charcter can't have one, they just have the default weapon; an Avenger. They have to code in the guns for everything that's a cutscene, like this, even if they want it to be the weapon that character has equipped.

The Carnifex turning into a Predator at the end has to be on purpose, because they had to code in the Carnifex to appear as soon as the Destroy cutscene started, but then code it to change into a Predator later in the same cutscene. If they didn't set anything for that cutscene, you would have been shooting at the destroy tube with the gameplay Carnifex, but it would have been a Predator throughout the whole cutscene.

Bottom line, it couldn't have been by accident there.

In ME2 if you had a weapon of the needed type it was used in the cutscene.
http://www.youtube.c...8qdEbZWaI#t=61s
Look how my Shep is sporting the Vindicator before and while the cutscene, even with the ammo mod still applied. Grunt keeps his Geth AR and Mordin gets an Avenger.

Ah right, my Legion had a Vindicator there. Well, my point still stands, if they don't have that class they'll get the default, and the Carnifex > Predator couldn't have been by accident.

[BleedingUranium]

Ravereth wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking about the Rebelion Pack...
Guys... I may be crazy, but...
Can you see something weird here? Does this description remind you of anything?

"...Firebase Jade's jungle reservoir and Firebase Goddes Thessia..." 
"Firebase Jade - Surrounded by huge waterfalls, Firebase Jade overlooks an ancient reservoir built by the salarians centuries ago..."

Reminds me of Sur'kesh, which is where it is.

I know what you're getting at, but Sur'kesh doesn't have two huge moons like the end planet.

But does it have waterfalls? Because I don't remember seeing them there

Bam

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Speaking of carnifex turing into predators. This stuff is done a lot in ME3.
Check this out:


Why does Liara have an avenger? She can't even handle Assualt rifles?

But then:


Back to equiped pistol and nothin else.

Are you seriously trying to say the Carnifex -> Predator transition in the destroy ending is an accident? Maybe you should go back and read the overwhelming evidence we found to the contrary. 

what page if you know?

The predator files were specifically loaded into the destroy ending.

I know. I saw them. But it is implied in Hellish's post that I think bioware did it by accident or neglected to take it out. I've repeatedly said that I don't think bioware is lazy or incompetent, and yet I keep getting accused of believing that.

I just like presenting other possibilities, rather than just going with whatever sounds good. If this is a pattern we see since ME2, why is this one occurence so special?

Things aren't ever ADDED by acident.

It doesn't follow the pattern because we have never seen the gun switch from one frame to another without the camera pulling away. Also, there was no gameplay after the choice so it was all intentional.

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

Modifié par EpyonX3, 24 mai 2012 - 06:03 .

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[Ravereth]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking about the Rebelion Pack...
Guys... I may be crazy, but...
Can you see something weird here? Does this description remind you of anything?

"...Firebase Jade's jungle reservoir and Firebase Goddes Thessia..." 
"Firebase Jade - Surrounded by huge waterfalls, Firebase Jade overlooks an ancient reservoir built by the salarians centuries ago..."

Reminds me of Sur'kesh, which is where it is.

I know what you're getting at, but Sur'kesh doesn't have two huge moons like the end planet.

But does it have waterfalls? Because I don't remember seeing them there

Bam

hahaha ok... 

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Watched it again with Fly cam, you're right it changes as the tube explodes for the last time. Again, I think it's because they wanted the player to be able to see it. The carnifex would have been too small and dark.

I can't see how this is a clue to IT. What does the gun have to do with the scene being real or not?

[MegumiAzusa]

Ravereth wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking about the Rebelion Pack...
Guys... I may be crazy, but...
Can you see something weird here? Does this description remind you of anything?

"...Firebase Jade's jungle reservoir and Firebase Goddes Thessia..." 
"Firebase Jade - Surrounded by huge waterfalls, Firebase Jade overlooks an ancient reservoir built by the salarians centuries ago..."

Reminds me of Sur'kesh, which is where it is.

I know what you're getting at, but Sur'kesh doesn't have two huge moons like the end planet.

But does it have waterfalls? Because I don't remember seeing them there

Dunno about Sur'kesh but the background mountain on the right uses the same texture that is used in the ending planet.
Also the ending planet got huge waterfalls, you can immediately see one behind the Normandy when the camera pans down from the leaves.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 mai 2012 - 06:13 .

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Watched it again with Fly cam, you're right it changes as the tube explodes for the last time. Again, I think it's because they wanted the player to be able to see it. The carnifex would have been too small and dark.

I can't see how this is a clue to IT. What does the gun have to do with the scene being real or not?

Again, you need to go back and read the evidence we came up with. I'm sorry I dont have the page number, but google should be of assistance, or maybe someone else knows. Some of it is actually towards the end of the previous thread that got closed.

In any case, as far as most of us are concerned, we have already concluded and are satisfied that it is an intentional clue for IT. 

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Also, it is fitting for TIM to have the Predator, because, by this theory, it represents breaking free of indoctrination. Not every Predator is symbolic, but everytime a pistol is used in a plot significant and morally good way, it's a Predator.

-Saren, TIM, and the leader of the Feros colony all killed themselves with a Predator
-Shep uses one to free the Rachni Queen in ME3
-Shep has a Predator when protecting the Salarian councilor
-Talking down the VS during the coup

I'm sure there are more I'm not remembering

Also, any time there's a Carnifex, something bad is going to happen. Except seen Anderson with one before the beam run, because that was used to set up Shep picking it up.

-Saren killing Nihlus
-Killing Mordin (this is double important, because he gave you the Carnifex in ME2)
-Killing Wrex (also double important, as the slogan for Carnifex is a charging krogan)
-VS has one, when they're defending Udina
-More I can't remember

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 24 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Watched it again with Fly cam, you're right it changes as the tube explodes for the last time. Again, I think it's because they wanted the player to be able to see it. The carnifex would have been too small and dark.

I can't see how this is a clue to IT. What does the gun have to do with the scene being real or not?

The Predator is best seen against the bright background of the explosion, so a darker gun doesn't matter.
The clue would be that Shep usually has a Predator and the Carnifex is not his gun. Also the Carnifex in ME3 is only used for scenes where bad things can happen, killing Mordin, killing Wrex, killing Ash/Kaidan

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Also, any time there's a Carnifex, something bad is going to happen. Except seen Anderson with one before the beam run, because that was used to set up Shep picking it up.

Getting blasted by Harbinger sounds bad to me, no?

[HellishFiend]

By the way, since we're on this topic again, I thought I'd mention something I came up with. We were wondering why Shepard doesnt also use the Carnifex to shoot Legion, since that seems to be the theme of the gun. Well, the problem is, in some playthroughs you throw away the gun after you shoot Mordin/Padok. So it's possible that Shepard wouldnt even have the gun for Rannoch, unless the player has one equipped. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 24 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[EpyonX3]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Also, it is fitting for TIM to have the Predator, because, by this theory, it represents breaking free of indoctrination. Not every Predator is symbolic, but everytime a pistol is used in a plot significant and morally good way, it's a Predator.

-Saren, TIM, and the leader of the Feros colony all killed themselves with a Predator
-Shep uses one to free the Rachni Queen in ME3
-Shep has a Predator when protecting the Salarian councilor

I'm sure there are more I'm not remembering

Also, any time there's a Carnifex, something bad is going to happen. Except seen Anderson with one before the beam run, because that was used to set up Shep picking it up.

-Saren killing Nihlus
-Killing Mordin (this is double important, because he gave you the Carnifex in ME2)
-Killing Wrex (also double important, as the slogan for Carnifex is a charging krogan)
-More I can't remember

Shep also has a predator in that scene with Liara I posted.

But TIM uses that predator to kill anderson if you let him and you can use the carnifex to kill TIM and save anderson. Also, If the carnifex is supposed to symbolize something bad then Destroy is a bad choice since you use it to start the chain reaction.

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, since we're on this topic again, I thought I'd mention something I came up with. We were wondering why Shepard doesnt also use the Carnifex to shoot Legion, since that seems to be the theme of the gun. Well, the problem is, in some playthroughs you throw away the gun after you shoot Mordin/Padok. So it's possible that Shepard wouldnt even have the gun for Rannoch, unless the player has one equipped. 

I get what you mean, but you don't lose the ability to use the Carnifex after killing Mordin

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Watched it again with Fly cam, you're right it changes as the tube explodes for the last time. Again, I think it's because they wanted the player to be able to see it. The carnifex would have been too small and dark.

I can't see how this is a clue to IT. What does the gun have to do with the scene being real or not?

The Predator is best seen against the bright background of the explosion, so a darker gun doesn't matter.
The clue would be that Shep usually has a Predator and the Carnifex is not his gun. Also the Carnifex in ME3 is only used for scenes where bad things can happen, killing Mordin, killing Wrex, killing Ash/Kaidan

This is why I believe it's more a programmatic issue with the scene than a clue for IT. I just think there are stronger evidences for IT than this.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Also, any time there's a Carnifex, something bad is going to happen. Except seen Anderson with one before the beam run, because that was used to set up Shep picking it up.

Getting blasted by Harbinger sounds bad to me, no?

Help Anderson though since he got away with just bruises.

[HellishFiend]

BleedingUranium wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, since we're on this topic again, I thought I'd mention something I came up with. We were wondering why Shepard doesnt also use the Carnifex to shoot Legion, since that seems to be the theme of the gun. Well, the problem is, in some playthroughs you throw away the gun after you shoot Mordin/Padok. So it's possible that Shepard wouldnt even have the gun for Rannoch, unless the player has one equipped. 

I get what you mean, but you don't lose the ability to use the Carnifex after killing Mordin

Right, but for some strange reason it makes sense to me that the game/story differentiates between "Gameplay Carnifex" and "Storyline Carnifex", probably because it does the same thing with other guns like the Avenger and Predator. 

Granted, it really doesnt make "sense", per se, but its established that there is some kind of difference between a gameplay gun and a storyline gun. 

[BleedingUranium]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

LOL I agree that it wasn't accidental. I'm hoping you guys understand that.

I just disagree on the intention.

Also the predator is loaded after your love interest clip is shown, making it the same as the other clips where guns change.

Side question, didn't TIM use a predator?

It is loaded as soon as the cutscene triggers, it's only switched shortly after the LI cutscene is shown. Yes he got a Predator from Anderson (seems to pack a good amount of pistols as he had a Carnifex previously) and is sporting a Carnifex in the comics.

Also, it is fitting for TIM to have the Predator, because, by this theory, it represents breaking free of indoctrination. Not every Predator is symbolic, but everytime a pistol is used in a plot significant and morally good way, it's a Predator.

-Saren, TIM, and the leader of the Feros colony all killed themselves with a Predator
-Shep uses one to free the Rachni Queen in ME3
-Shep has a Predator when protecting the Salarian councilor

I'm sure there are more I'm not remembering

Also, any time there's a Carnifex, something bad is going to happen. Except seen Anderson with one before the beam run, because that was used to set up Shep picking it up.

-Saren killing Nihlus
-Killing Mordin (this is double important, because he gave you the Carnifex in ME2)
-Killing Wrex (also double important, as the slogan for Carnifex is a charging krogan)
-More I can't remember

Shep also has a predator in that scene with Liara I posted.

But TIM uses that predator to kill anderson if you let him and you can use the carnifex to kill TIM and save anderson. Also, If the carnifex is supposed to symbolize something bad then Destroy is a bad choice since you use it to start the chain reaction.

But the "proper" outcome is for TIM to kill himself. It turns into the Predator at the last second, because that explosion represents Shep breaking the indoc attempt

[blooregard]

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Wait ... was this known?


Quote from the Rebellion MP Pack announcement:



"Ex-Cerberus Vanguard:

When the Illusive Man turned to indoctrination in order to ensure the loyalty of his troops, many Cerberus operatives defected and joined the Alliance in order to stop the Reapers. Now that we’re on the same team, Ex-Cerberus Vanguards (along with their new Lash attack) are quickly proving their worth."

There's a stray line of dialogue on the Cerberus base---from EDI---that suggests as such, I believe, shortly before you enter into the general area where the human Reaper is stored. 

And they're OBVIOUSLY implanted with Reaper tech Paul Grayson style.

They probably left Cerberus like Brynn and Gavin Archer did. Their friends were disappearing/acting strange and they eventually figured it out and left before it could happen to them.

[balance5050]

 I don't think one gun is more "visible" than the other.

 
 

 

Modifié par balance5050, 24 mai 2012 - 06:25 .