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MegumiAzusa

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

@Balance5050

What system are you playing on?



360, those aren't my pics BTW, I think theyre megumi's


Ok. I wonder what Megumi plays on then?


I believe she's on a computer.





This is my playthrough, right before the tube blows up.


DaFrak?  You have a Predator holstered! :blink:


Good Gravy! Never noticed. This is the first time I've taken the shot from this side. Again, programmatic issue here. Shepard always has a predator equipped in a cutscene, it's possible that biwoware worked around it by equiping the pistol so you don't see it holstered.

Just a guess.


But then how do you explain the file that specifically loads it in this scene?


Because the scenes and animations are dependent on the model. The scene would most likely crash if the predator could not be loaded.

No, look at my post.

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balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


:blink:

Are we certain this isn't doctored?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

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BatmanTurian wrote...

repost for people who missed it:
https://twitter.com/...492753411473408

" I played some new stuff today from @ericFagnan , @CGaspur and the team which i believe is the best we've ever put out. I really can't wait. "

EC he is playing has gameplay, so the endings will have gameplay. Literalists can stop braying that the endings will not have gameplay. Another victory for us.


I would keep in mind that Eric Fagnan works on Multiplayer (I don't know if he works on it exclusively, but he is the one who always posts the balance update notes each week).


Fascinating, it says that the server isn't sending data when I try to follow the link.  Maybe he said too much.

Edit: It says the server also isn't sending data when I try to follow the links to the two BW team members.


Eric is a Gameplay Designer and Corey is a Lead Combat Designer.

I have a feeling this tweet from Mike is related to Multiplayer, as that is what Eric works on from what I can tell.

EDIT: those links don't work because Twitter.com is acting up right now




I know a lot of people are at BioWare's throats right now, but explain to me this: Why would any form of multi-player gameplay be something Gamble considers "the best we've ever put out"?


And don't forget this week's interview with Gamble at the BW blog where he explicitly said how LotSB was their best SP DLCs yet.
So, no matter if about SP or MP, it might very well be something awesome.

I've read it today. There's a space wallpaper attached to it.

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balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K7KmjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.


If I might venture into some symbolism literary analysis, destroying the tube (which looks like the baby reaper tube that was feeding human smoothie into the baby reaper, which has enough symbolism already) destroys the shackles that the Reapers have temporarily put on Shepard's mind. The gun changing represents his sudden freedom to choose his own destiny rather than be swayed from his orginal goal. Or it could represent the actual pistol he has on his person in the real world rather than the dream pistol he picked up on the walk to the conduit, which was put there by the Reapers.

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There are a lot of peopleout there who are saying that the IT is dead because the person who came up with it said that people should stop believing it.

Did I miss something here? Did Byne say that the IT is false? I don't seem to recall that...


Sounds like false gossip. Byne wouldn't do that.



I think they're confusing Byne with Tilax rules all...

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dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


:blink:

Are we certain this isn't doctored?


Yes we already established that the predator files are only loaded into the destroy ending.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K7KmjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.


If I might venture into some symbolism literary analysis, destroying the tube (which looks like the baby reaper tube that was feeding human smoothie into the baby reaper, which has enough symbolism already) destroys the shackles that the Reapers have temporarily put on Shepard's mind. The gun changing represents his sudden freedom to choose his own destiny rather than be swayed from his orginal goal. Or it could represent the actual pistol he has on his person in the real world rather than the dream pistol he picked up on the walk to the conduit, which was put there by the Reapers.


Also, the Predator is the pistol the Rachni queen is freed with.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 24 mai 2012 - 07:29 .


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balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


*TIM Voice* Damnit Balance! This is what I've been saying was happening on my playthrough. The image you posted had the gun changed to a predator before the explosion.

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@MegumiAzusa: Yes, I was looking at the drawn one. This is a Carnifex.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K7KmjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.


If I might venture into some symbolism literary analysis, destroying the tube (which looks like the baby reaper tube that was feeding human smoothie into the baby reaper, which has enough symbolism already) destroys the shackles that the Reapers have temporarily put on Shepard's mind. The gun changing represents his sudden freedom to choose his own destiny rather than be swayed from his orginal goal. Or it could represent the actual pistol he has on his person in the real world rather than the dream pistol he picked up on the walk to the conduit, which was put there by the Reapers.


Totally agree, both of those symbologies could be true.

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balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


:blink:

Are we certain this isn't doctored?


Yes we already established that the predator files are only loaded into the destroy ending.


Yeah, uh, with the way the video presents the transition, I'd be led to believe that it's intentional---and assuredly triggered by the blast wave. 

Most bizarre.

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MegumiAzusa

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dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


:blink:

Are we certain this isn't doctored?

Yes, a screencap I did (without flycam etc) and then stepping through it frame by frame showed me the same.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


*TIM Voice* Damnit Balance! This is what I've been saying was happening on my playthrough. The image you posted had the gun changed to a predator before the explosion.


No those pics are from the video I think.

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dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


:blink:

Are we certain this isn't doctored?


No it does happen. In fact if you look at the last page you'll actually see it holstered.

@Megumi I saw you explanation after I posted mine. It makes sense. I'll test it to confirm.

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Stornskar wrote...

I recently finished ME3 - 2 days ago - and managed to avoid spoilers to the ending (don't ask me how). As I was going through the dream sequence, I thought that I was being indoctrinated ... I definitely believe what you guys are calling IT to be true, but I'm not sure how this mechanically works once the DLC is released.

I mean - say you chose synthesis and control, does the game just end there with "Critical Mission Failure?" That would be a bummer if so ... does the game start back up in London with you still having to storm the Citadel to arm the Crucible? It just seems that mechanically it would be an awkward thing to implement the IT




Well, it could like waking up from a dream.  Whatever you choose, the Citadel scenes weren't real and you're still on Earth.  So say you wake up after Control/Synthesis.  Maybe you see things differently, like friends looking/acting like enemies.  Maybe it's a lot harder to break your perception of reality in this scenerio.  

I'll give you an example.  Someone, in a tongue-in-cheek fashion, asked, "What if Marauder Shields is really Garrus trying to stop you and you just killed him".  I don't think that's really the case but how awesome would that be if something like that were expanded on and used in some form?

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Are you serious? There are still people who don't accept the gun switch? Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 24 mai 2012 - 07:32 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


:blink:

Are we certain this isn't doctored?


Yes we already established that the predator files are only loaded into the destroy ending.


Yeah, uh, with the way the video presents the transition, I'd be led to believe that it's intentional---and assuredly triggered by the blast wave. 

Most bizarre.

Finetuned to the second :P

#5893
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 http://www.youtube.c...mjmQ7dvo#t=238s

heres a video on the gun switch in slo motion.


THIS THIS THIS, totally intentional. The shockwave from the tube explosion seemed to change it.

You guys need to watch this, looking at you Epyon.


:blink:

Are we certain this isn't doctored?

Yes, a screencap I did (without flycam etc) and then stepping through it frame by frame showed me the same.


Oh, I've seen the gun shifts in still-frame form, and found them intriguing ... but not in motion like that.

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Stornskar wrote...

I recently finished ME3 - 2 days ago - and managed to avoid spoilers to the ending (don't ask me how). As I was going through the dream sequence, I thought that I was being indoctrinated ... I definitely believe what you guys are calling IT to be true, but I'm not sure how this mechanically works once the DLC is released.

I mean - say you chose synthesis and control, does the game just end there with "Critical Mission Failure?" That would be a bummer if so ... does the game start back up in London with you still having to storm the Citadel to arm the Crucible? It just seems that mechanically it would be an awkward thing to implement the IT


None of us know what Bioware is going to do with it. I think the general concensus is that Control ( it's listed as BecomeAReaper in the code) and Synthesis are both indoctrination but the degree to how Shepard can or can't get out of it has not reached a concensus.

Arian Dynas has created a script showing how it could possibly work: http://social.biowar.../index/12095313

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estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

There are a lot of peopleout there who are saying that the IT is dead because the person who came up with it said that people should stop believing it.

Did I miss something here? Did Byne say that the IT is false? I don't seem to recall that...


Sounds like false gossip. Byne wouldn't do that.



I think they're confusing Byne with Tilax rules all...


Plus, I never claim to be the person who came up with it, I just started the thread that gave birth to it.

Any single person claiming to have come up with it is obviously full of ****. It's a group effort, not the brainchild of any one person.

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Are you serious? There are still people who don't accept the gun switch? Posted Image


Me? Yes. I'll admit to that---not the switch itself, or what the guns mean, but the overall implication behind that specific, barely-seen second where it shifts. 

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

There are a lot of peopleout there who are saying that the IT is dead because the person who came up with it said that people should stop believing it.

Did I miss something here? Did Byne say that the IT is false? I don't seem to recall that...


Sounds like false gossip. Byne wouldn't do that.



I think they're confusing Byne with Tilax rules all...


Plus, I never claim to be the person who came up with it, I just started the thread that gave birth to it.

Any single person claiming to have come up with it is obviously full of ****. It's a group effort, not the brainchild of any one person.



if anybody came up with IT, its bioware. were just figruing it out.

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estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

There are a lot of peopleout there who are saying that the IT is dead because the person who came up with it said that people should stop believing it.

Did I miss something here? Did Byne say that the IT is false? I don't seem to recall that...


Sounds like false gossip. Byne wouldn't do that.



I think they're confusing Byne with Tilax rules all...


Yeah, I don't know who that is. It could be a trolling, 4chan-like attempt to demolish support for I.T., you know, just to be a**holes.

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

There are a lot of peopleout there who are saying that the IT is dead because the person who came up with it said that people should stop believing it.

Did I miss something here? Did Byne say that the IT is false? I don't seem to recall that...


Sounds like false gossip. Byne wouldn't do that.



I think they're confusing Byne with Tilax rules all...


Plus, I never claim to be the person who came up with it, I just started the thread that gave birth to it.

Any single person claiming to have come up with it is obviously full of ****. It's a group effort, not the brainchild of any one person.


Well, it originated from a googledocs document. Might've been BW themselves ...:bandit::bandit::bandit:

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BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

There are a lot of peopleout there who are saying that the IT is dead because the person who came up with it said that people should stop believing it.

Did I miss something here? Did Byne say that the IT is false? I don't seem to recall that...


Sounds like false gossip. Byne wouldn't do that.



I think they're confusing Byne with Tilax rules all...


Yeah, I don't know who that is. It could be a trolling, 4chan-like attempt to demolish support for I.T., you know, just to be a**holes.


I vaguely remember seeing some thread where that Tilax dude came out and said the announcement of the Extended Cut somehow demolished any belief he had in IT, and everyone in the thread was acting like he was the dude who came up with the theory, despite me spending all my time in the IT thread and never having heard of him before.

It was weird.