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Why oh why wasn't there an option to tear the Dalatrass a new one for being such an ignorant jack....  Sorry, I almost lost control there for a minute.  What can I say, that chick was such a cloaca.


If Kirrahe is alive, even the STG realizes what a moron the dalatrass is, and pledges their support anyways. Should have had them stage a coup against her and seize power.

It would be for the greater good of the galaxy too, since the dalatrass is basically trying to screw the entire galaxy purely to save face.

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byne wrote...

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Verner is a politician not a soldier.



He's not even a politician. He's just a Shepard fanboy.

He literally has a poster of Shepard on one of his walls surrounded by candles.

He's pretty awesome

If you're talking about that activist in ME1 who begged for support saying that other species in the Galaxy are inferior to humans then I told him to get lost and never saw him again.

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blooregard wrote...

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blooregard wrote...

I still want to know what happened to Ilos. I mean was the conduit destroyed or turned off forever? what happened to it and unlike the London beam the Ilos conduit would have literally led Shepard and company to the front door to the master control unit.

and before anyone says "they didn't have a mako" how hard would it have been to replace that unused and fairly useless looking spare shuttle with a mako?

Power was completely drained, even Vigil didn't work anymore.



Recharge/replace the power source problem solved right? but I suppose that would be too much for the Normandy alone (well maybe that Salarian fleet the dalatrass screws us out of could have helped)


This is my thought as well...I find it hard to believe that the Council would not have access to a portable power source.  And if that is not the problem...what, degradation of the system?  Are you going to convince that me there is no one in the ME universe that is technologically gifted enough to recover the system?  Give me a break.  No the only reason for them not to be able to get information from Vigil is a plot device that forces you to wor with Cerberus - and that, is what it is.

But another point...if the council had taken Shepard's account of ME 1 into account, maybe they would have put some of the galaxies best minds on figuring out a way to reverse egineer what the Protheans were able to do with the Conduit for the purpose of using the conduit (from the Citadel) as an emergency evacuation point....

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Verner is a politician not a soldier.



He's not even a politician. He's just a Shepard fanboy.

He literally has a poster of Shepard on one of his walls surrounded by candles.

He's pretty awesome

If you're talking about that activist in ME1 who begged for support saying that other species in the Galaxy are inferior to humans then I told him to get lost and never saw him again.

Oh my gosh, I think you missed the most hilarious thing in ME, and no it's not the activist.
http://masseffect.wi...i/Conrad_Verner

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 24 mai 2012 - 09:22 .


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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


Why oh why wasn't there an option to tear the Dalatrass a new one for being such an ignorant jack....  Sorry, I almost lost control there for a minute.  What can I say, that chick was such a cloaca.


If Kirrahe is alive, even the STG realizes what a moron the dalatrass is, and pledges their support anyways. Should have had them stage a coup against her and seize power.

It would be for the greater good of the galaxy too, since the dalatrass is basically trying to screw the entire galaxy purely to save face.


Why wasn't there a way to get Kirrahe AND the Salarian Special Tasks Group war asset?  I don't see why they should be mutually exclusive.  And when I say Salarian STG war asset, I'm refering to the one worth 35 points, not the one that comes from letting the ME1 Council die.

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Verner is a politician not a soldier.



He's not even a politician. He's just a Shepard fanboy.

He literally has a poster of Shepard on one of his walls surrounded by candles.

He's pretty awesome

If you're talking about that activist in ME1 who begged for support saying that other species in the Galaxy are inferior to humans then I told him to get lost and never saw him again.


Are... are you really saying you dont know who Conrad Freaking Verner is?

Each word in 'Conrad Freaking Verner' leads to a different video of Conrad. From ME1, ME2, and ME3, respectively.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

blooregard wrote...

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blooregard wrote...

I still want to know what happened to Ilos. I mean was the conduit destroyed or turned off forever? what happened to it and unlike the London beam the Ilos conduit would have literally led Shepard and company to the front door to the master control unit.

and before anyone says "they didn't have a mako" how hard would it have been to replace that unused and fairly useless looking spare shuttle with a mako?

Power was completely drained, even Vigil didn't work anymore.



Recharge/replace the power source problem solved right? but I suppose that would be too much for the Normandy alone (well maybe that Salarian fleet the dalatrass screws us out of could have helped)


This is my thought as well...I find it hard to believe that the Council would not have access to a portable power source.  And if that is not the problem...what, degradation of the system?  Are you going to convince that me there is no one in the ME universe that is technologically gifted enough to recover the system?  Give me a break.  No the only reason for them not to be able to get information from Vigil is a plot device that forces you to wor with Cerberus - and that, is what it is.

But another point...if the council had taken Shepard's account of ME 1 into account, maybe they would have put some of the galaxies best minds on figuring out a way to reverse egineer what the Protheans were able to do with the Conduit for the purpose of using the conduit (from the Citadel) as an emergency evacuation point....

Who said they even really tried? Also I guess in the time between ME1 and ME2 the Collectors would have sabotaged the Conduit if they could get it working.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Verner is a politician not a soldier.



He's not even a politician. He's just a Shepard fanboy.

He literally has a poster of Shepard on one of his walls surrounded by candles.

He's pretty awesome

If you're talking about that activist in ME1 who begged for support saying that other species in the Galaxy are inferior to humans then I told him to get lost and never saw him again.

Oh my gosh, I think you missed the most hilarious thing in ME, and no it's not the activist.
http://masseffect.wi...i/Conrad_Verner

This fellow. He's hilarious. I don't know but I haven't seen him around in my main playthrough. And I'm still stuck in ME2 with an imported save where he gets Shepard's autograph.

Modifié par paxxton, 24 mai 2012 - 09:25 .


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did the real Chris Priestly make that poll



Yes. He confirmed it over twitter.

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estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.

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Hey guys, this has probably been brought up before but I just saw this close up in a vid and thought I'd snapshot it. People say that Shepard has TIM's eyes in synthesis and control, well this is control and the best evidence I've seen to 'prove' he does, in fact, have TIM's eyes...

Posted Image

Forgive the quality, but you can distinctly see the light blue orbs on either side of his eyes....



For reference...
Posted Image

#6062
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IsaacShep wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.


Im an IT'er and I found this hilarious.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...


Hey guys, this has probably been brought up before but I just saw this close up in a vid and thought I'd snapshot it. People say that Shepard has TIM's eyes in synthesis and control, well this is control and the best evidence I've seen to 'prove' he does, in fact, have TIM's eyes...

http://i1144.photobu..._Asari/IDT1.png

Forgive the quality, but you can distinctly see the light blue orbs on either side of his eyes....



For reference...
http://i50.tinypic.com/2qicjfm.jpg

Yes, well known.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...


Hey guys, this has probably been brought up before but I just saw this close up in a vid and thought I'd snapshot it. People say that Shepard has TIM's eyes in synthesis and control, well this is control and the best evidence I've seen to 'prove' he does, in fact, have TIM's eyes...


Yep. Check this one out:

Posted Image

(Synthesis, Destroy, Control) 

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 24 mai 2012 - 09:30 .


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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


Why oh why wasn't there an option to tear the Dalatrass a new one for being such an ignorant jack....  Sorry, I almost lost control there for a minute.  What can I say, that chick was such a cloaca.


If Kirrahe is alive, even the STG realizes what a moron the dalatrass is, and pledges their support anyways. Should have had them stage a coup against her and seize power.

It would be for the greater good of the galaxy too, since the dalatrass is basically trying to screw the entire galaxy purely to save face.


Wasn't there an ANN update that had the Salarian Union already becoming divided even before the events of ME 3?  Where was the tie into that information and wouldn't have been great if one side of the political force supported the cure and the other didn't...then depending who you sided with determined what kind of help you got from the Salarians - go for the cure, get the full support of the military; sabotage the cure and get the full support of the scientists...

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IsaacShep wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.


Uh, I should point out that we DO tend to be MUCH calmer than the Literalists.  And when you have to resort to attacking us on a personal level, rather than a professional one, it indicates to me that you can't come up with an effective counter-argument for IT, making me respect you that much less.

Edit: And I should point out that there are certain Anti-IT people I respect.  I can give GBGriffin as an example, and I can also say that I do have a measure of respect for EpyonX3.

Modifié par Dwailing, 24 mai 2012 - 09:32 .


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byne wrote...

He literally has a poster of Shepard on one of his walls surrounded by candles.

LOL.

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IsaacShep wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.


Too ... many ... generalizations.  Not enough actual dialogue.  

IsaacShep, anything new to contribute from your anti-IT stance, other than barbs? I'm sure the folks in the thread would like to hear it. 

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IsaacShep wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.


And then IsaacShep comes in, decides we're all the exact same, makes silly generalizations, then laughs at us because his silly generalization makes us look silly.

Then he acts like he's the well-centered rational one, after doing so? Please, either stop generalizing, or just leave. I honestly dont care which.

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IsaacShep wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.


Intriguing tale, brethren.

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IsaacShep wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.



Ok, I admit: I laughed.

You got me there, bro! 

Although, I think you misunderstood what I meant...

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estebanus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Indeed.

I think that most anti-enders have finally realized that it's either IT or nothing, and so the smart ones would go for the most likely thing to happen, while the conservative, delusional, and downright negative-for-the-hell-of-it guys kept on voting for no.

And then ITers try to paint themselves as a "totally holy group of fans with a calm message about some cool interpretation of the ending" lololol.



Ok, I admit: I laughed.

You got me there, bro! 

Although, I think you misunderstood what I meant...



no you got it, and its ok, I laughed too.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

blooregard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

blooregard wrote...

I still want to know what happened to Ilos. I mean was the conduit destroyed or turned off forever? what happened to it and unlike the London beam the Ilos conduit would have literally led Shepard and company to the front door to the master control unit.

and before anyone says "they didn't have a mako" how hard would it have been to replace that unused and fairly useless looking spare shuttle with a mako?

Power was completely drained, even Vigil didn't work anymore.



Recharge/replace the power source problem solved right? but I suppose that would be too much for the Normandy alone (well maybe that Salarian fleet the dalatrass screws us out of could have helped)


This is my thought as well...I find it hard to believe that the Council would not have access to a portable power source.  And if that is not the problem...what, degradation of the system?  Are you going to convince that me there is no one in the ME universe that is technologically gifted enough to recover the system?  Give me a break.  No the only reason for them not to be able to get information from Vigil is a plot device that forces you to wor with Cerberus - and that, is what it is.

But another point...if the council had taken Shepard's account of ME 1 into account, maybe they would have put some of the galaxies best minds on figuring out a way to reverse egineer what the Protheans were able to do with the Conduit for the purpose of using the conduit (from the Citadel) as an emergency evacuation point....

Who said they even really tried? Also I guess in the time between ME1 and ME2 the Collectors would have sabotaged the Conduit if they could get it working.




I hadn't thought of that. Though the Council still gets an F for not trying.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

blooregard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

blooregard wrote...

I still want to know what happened to Ilos. I mean was the conduit destroyed or turned off forever? what happened to it and unlike the London beam the Ilos conduit would have literally led Shepard and company to the front door to the master control unit.

and before anyone says "they didn't have a mako" how hard would it have been to replace that unused and fairly useless looking spare shuttle with a mako?

Power was completely drained, even Vigil didn't work anymore.



Recharge/replace the power source problem solved right? but I suppose that would be too much for the Normandy alone (well maybe that Salarian fleet the dalatrass screws us out of could have helped)


This is my thought as well...I find it hard to believe that the Council would not have access to a portable power source.  And if that is not the problem...what, degradation of the system?  Are you going to convince that me there is no one in the ME universe that is technologically gifted enough to recover the system?  Give me a break.  No the only reason for them not to be able to get information from Vigil is a plot device that forces you to wor with Cerberus - and that, is what it is.

But another point...if the council had taken Shepard's account of ME 1 into account, maybe they would have put some of the galaxies best minds on figuring out a way to reverse egineer what the Protheans were able to do with the Conduit for the purpose of using the conduit (from the Citadel) as an emergency evacuation point....

Who said they even really tried? Also I guess in the time between ME1 and ME2 the Collectors would have sabotaged the Conduit if they could get it working.


I guess my point was...that this was one of those things they could have done better.  BTW, you give a great counter arguement to what I propose and would have had no problem if that had been what was explained...that they tried, but were stopped - but instead they just used a less creative plot device (Vigil shut down), to force your hand into working with Cerberus.  Just think of how much more intersting ME 2 could have been if you had the option to choose the faction (I can think of at least three; Cerberus, Allinace/Counicl, and Shadow Broker) that you would work with...you get the same story, same plot points just get there in slightly different ways.  Would have been a huge undertaking and I am not complaining about the stroy we got...

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Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Hey guys, this has probably been brought up before but I just saw this close up in a vid and thought I'd snapshot it. People say that Shepard has TIM's eyes in synthesis and control, well this is control and the best evidence I've seen to 'prove' he does, in fact, have TIM's eyes...


Yep. Check this one out:

*snip*

(Synthesis, Destroy, Control) 


Those pics are great! and it appears to be femshep too, even better! Posted Image

But honestly, Shepard's eyes in synthesis, imo, look more like these eyes...

Posted Image

I know they are the same, but in this picture they just look more well rounded.