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byne wrote...

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Cyberfrog81 wrote...

I think this is a relevant addendum to the Predator / Carnifex issue.

It is often "sold" as the Carnifex turning into the Predator, but I now aim to show that we may have hallucinated a little bit ourselves.

First, yes, there's no doubt we start out with just the Carnifex:



But observe this frame: It looks like the Predator mesh is added (i.e. not actually replacing anything) to the scene:



Then, in the next frame or so the new mesh also gets a texture:



The Carnifex has not actually been (fully) replaced. Look:

That's not the only "still Carnifex area", but it's easy to see when you know to look for it.


I honestly didn't notice while I was making my own video to corroborate the initial finding. Maybe it's the color change (new gun material?) that tricked me. Regardless, you can see it clearly. It's a bit harder to see in Prettz' video, but still evidently there: Two guns, not one turning into another.


To be clear, I still think seeing intent here is justified, given how it occurs in the same shot and when the shockwave hits.


I still think it's because they wanted it to be more visible in his hand while the tube blew up.


Why? Did they think we were going to forget we were using a gun only seconds ago if we couldnt clearly see it as the tube blew up (which it is only doing because we shot at it in the first place)?


Visuals. That's why they cover the handle and not replace the entire gun. It's very odd but that's what I think the reaso was for. They wanted you to see the gun through the flame.

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Byne what about Zaieed I have him and yet the Turian Colony is still flashing. Sorry miss spelled his name.

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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Have you all notice there are no other Specters besides Shep, Ash, or Kadin, and not including dead ones.


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Jondum Bau, Special Tactics and Recon. A pleasure to make your acquaintance

Not a Specter but I respect that Salarien.


Yes he is. He says so himself. One of his missions is to track down Kasumi.


EDIT: Byne beat me to it.

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byne wrote...

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Just because we haven't been introduced to any other Specters doesn't mean they don't exist.


I am not saying they don't exist, I just mean It would have been better if we got a Specter as a Party member.


We already did, as you yourself mentioned. Ash and Kaidan.

Plus Shepard.

Though, I've always kind of wished Tela Vasir survived ME2. She'd have made an interesting party member.

Ya but we already know them I was talking about an old friend from ME1 that could be a specter in ME3 no Ash, or Kaidin.

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Salient Archer wrote...

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I've had a theory for a while, that might explain why TIM was so interested in Omega: What if it's the Prothean Crucible? It does kind of look like it. We also have no real reason for the coup, unless TIM knew the Citadel was the Catalyst...

Also, unrelatedly, we still don't know why TIM attacked Sur'kesh, that was said a few times in game, they didn't know why, but it was never explained...


You too hey, I started to think it as well, but only recently when I went back to playing ME2. It first dawned on me when we get the first reveal scene of it when the SR2 goes in to dock, than I looked up some interesting facts about it:

            “...At times the station has lain idle and abandoned for centuries, only to be reactivated by a new group of outlaws seeking a fresh start. The space station's original elegant design has given way to haphazard expansion by scrabbling factions of every species.”

I also checked out the wiki on it and it’s stated length is 44.7 kilometers. Does anyone wan’t to take a guess at how long the crucible is?





I believe the citadel is the same size as Omega

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Just because we haven't been introduced to any other Specters doesn't mean they don't exist.


I am not saying they don't exist, I just mean It would have been better if we got a Specter as a Party member.


We already did, as you yourself mentioned. Ash and Kaidan.

Plus Shepard.

Though, I've always kind of wished Tela Vasir survived ME2. She'd have made an interesting party member.

Tela Vasir? Is she from a DLC I don't have or is my memory on the fritz again?

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Big G13 wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Just because we haven't been introduced to any other Specters doesn't mean they don't exist.


I am not saying they don't exist, I just mean It would have been better if we got a Specter as a Party member.


We already did, as you yourself mentioned. Ash and Kaidan.

Plus Shepard.

Though, I've always kind of wished Tela Vasir survived ME2. She'd have made an interesting party member.

Tela Vasir? Is she from a DLC I don't have or is my memory on the fritz again?


She's from LotSB

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I just realized Jesus was led through the wilderness by Satan...

Then Satan took him up to the holy city, showed him all of the kingdoms of the world (Citadel Arms Closed) And promised him all the power he had...

Jesus rejected him. Then Satan took Jesus up to the highest point of the temple, and told him to prove he was the son of god and jump off. Jesus again rejected this...

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This mantains my belief that any Salarian related to STG in some way won't be a jackass.

This includes the citadel gamestop clerk...he's STG deep cover operative.


What about Lieutenant Tolan?

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byne wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Just because we haven't been introduced to any other Specters doesn't mean they don't exist.


I am not saying they don't exist, I just mean It would have been better if we got a Specter as a Party member.


We already did, as you yourself mentioned. Ash and Kaidan.

Plus Shepard.

Though, I've always kind of wished Tela Vasir survived ME2. She'd have made an interesting party member.

Tela Vasir? Is she from a DLC I don't have or is my memory on the fritz again?


She's from LotSB

Thanks. (I really need to get some better gear)

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byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...


This mantains my belief that any Salarian related to STG in some way won't be a jackass.

This includes the citadel gamestop clerk...he's STG deep cover operative.


What about Lieutenant Tolan?



He doesn't exist in my game...he will never exist in my game

Speaking of which what happened to commander Rentola?

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blooregard wrote...

byne wrote...

blooregard wrote...


This mantains my belief that any Salarian related to STG in some way won't be a jackass.

This includes the citadel gamestop clerk...he's STG deep cover operative.


What about Lieutenant Tolan?




Well...he's actually the janitor

The salarians give their janitors military ranks based on how well they clean 


But even if he's just the STG janitor, he's still related to STG in some way.

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blooregard wrote...

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I've had a theory for a while, that might explain why TIM was so interested in Omega: What if it's the Prothean Crucible? It does kind of look like it. We also have no real reason for the coup, unless TIM knew the Citadel was the Catalyst...

Also, unrelatedly, we still don't know why TIM attacked Sur'kesh, that was said a few times in game, they didn't know why, but it was never explained...


You too hey, I started to think it as well, but only recently when I went back to playing ME2. It first dawned on me when we get the first reveal scene of it when the SR2 goes in to dock, than I looked up some interesting facts about it:

            “...At times the station has lain idle and abandoned for centuries, only to be reactivated by a new group of outlaws seeking a fresh start. The space station's original elegant design has given way to haphazard expansion by scrabbling factions of every species.”

I also checked out the wiki on it and it’s stated length is 44.7 kilometers. Does anyone wan’t to take a guess at how long the crucible is?





I believe the citadel is the same size as Omega


Each arm is about the same size as Omega, but when fully open the citadel is about 95 kilometers in diameter.

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blooregard wrote...


Well...he's actually the janitor

The salarians give their janitors military ranks based on how well they clean 

Space Quest!

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You know what I don't get is that BioWare showed that blowing up a relay in #2 = the destruction of a solar system. So why change this in #3? The math doesn't add up.

Asteroid + relay = explosion destroying system

Space magic + relays = explosion but system lives

It just doesn't add up. And the amount of assets you have shouldn't be able to change any of that.

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Salient Archer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I've had a theory for a while, that might explain why TIM was so interested in Omega: What if it's the Prothean Crucible? It does kind of look like it. We also have no real reason for the coup, unless TIM knew the Citadel was the Catalyst...

Also, unrelatedly, we still don't know why TIM attacked Sur'kesh, that was said a few times in game, they didn't know why, but it was never explained...


You too hey, I started to think it as well, but only recently when I went back to playing ME2. It first dawned on me when we get the first reveal scene of it when the SR2 goes in to dock, than I looked up some interesting facts about it:

            “...At times the station has lain idle and abandoned for centuries, only to be reactivated by a new group of outlaws seeking a fresh start. The space station's original elegant design has given way to haphazard expansion by scrabbling factions of every species.”

I also checked out the wiki on it and it’s stated length is 44.7 kilometers. Does anyone wan’t to take a guess at how long the crucible is?





I believe the citadel is the same size as Omega


Each arm is about the same size as Omega, but when fully open the citadel is about 95 kilometers in diameter.




Total length (open) 44.7 km
Total diameter (open) 12 8 km.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

You know what I don't get is that BioWare showed that blowing up a relay in #2 = the destruction of a solar system. So why change this in #3? The math doesn't add up.

Asteroid + relay = explosion destroying system

Space magic + relays = explosion but system lives

It just doesn't add up. And the amount of assets you have shouldn't be able to change any of that.


Asteroid hits relay, Energy in the Relay core is released uncontrollably in all directions.


Space Magic overloads relay and transfer the majority of the energy to the next relay. The rest is left to spread out in all directions.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

You know what I don't get is that BioWare showed that blowing up a relay in #2 = the destruction of a solar system. So why change this in #3? The math doesn't add up.

Asteroid + relay = explosion destroying system

Space magic + relays = explosion but system lives

It just doesn't add up. And the amount of assets you have shouldn't be able to change any of that.




Asteroid + relay = supernova causing mass relay rupture

Space magic + relays = "safe" energy discharge

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EpyonX3 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

You know what I don't get is that BioWare showed that blowing up a relay in #2 = the destruction of a solar system. So why change this in #3? The math doesn't add up.

Asteroid + relay = explosion destroying system

Space magic + relays = explosion but system lives

It just doesn't add up. And the amount of assets you have shouldn't be able to change any of that.


Asteroid hits relay, Energy in the Relay core is released uncontrollably in all directions.


Space Magic overloads relay and transfer the majority of the energy to the next relay. The rest is left to spread out in all directions.




So won't the last relay in the chain reaction still destroy whatever system is unlucky enough to be last, since there are no further relays to transfer the energy to?

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

You know what I don't get is that BioWare showed that blowing up a relay in #2 = the destruction of a solar system. So why change this in #3? The math doesn't add up.

Asteroid + relay = explosion destroying system

Space magic + relays = explosion but system lives

It just doesn't add up. And the amount of assets you have shouldn't be able to change any of that.


Asteroid hits relay, Energy in the Relay core is released uncontrollably in all directions.


Space Magic overloads relay and transfer the majority of the energy to the next relay. The rest is left to spread out in all directions.




So won't the last relay in the chain reaction still destroy whatever system is unlucky enough to be last, since there are no further relays to transfer the energy to?




I think the "last" relay is the omega 4 in which case it would fire into a black hole.

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New Dialouge

Harbinger: Shepard you are the very existence of our presents.You are the one who shall bring an end to all organic life and synthetic life, and bring a new order to this galaxy. Shepard impressive leadership, impressive ingenuity.Shepard submit now and I will grant you eternal life .

Shepard: F*** off Harby. Your the one who should submit to my heel of my gigantic boot.So why don't you take your F****** Reapers, the God brat and get the **** out of my galaxy because if you don't I am going to get the stick out of Garrus"s *** and I am going to take and shove it up your ***.

Harby: We are building a consensic please try again later.

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I also found this weird. In one of the Mass Effect books, the one closest to Me3 after Me2, the reapers controlling Grayson when he was on omega commented on how they found it interesting how each species has added to omega. I believe that it was either implying to the crucible and that omega is one or that the reapers originally made omega. Or even better yet. It could be both!!!!

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Bill Casey wrote...

I just realized Jesus was led through the wilderness by Satan...

Then Satan took him up to the holy city, showed him all of the kingdoms of the world (Citadel Arms Closed) And promised him all the power he had...

Jesus rejected him. Then Satan took Jesus up to the highest point of the temple, and told him to prove he was the son of god and jump off. Jesus again rejected this...


He was also in a physically weakened state at the time after fasting for 40 days and nights. It is also said that fasting weakens one mentally as the spiritual struggles increase.

Jesus was also offered 3 temptations:

1. turn rock into bread to quell his growing hunger.
2. Free himself from the pinnacle by jumping from the highest point. [The devil makes this offer sound lucrative by saying the angels will catch him, but Jesus already knew that God delivers and aids those who trust in him.]
3. Become one with the devil and control the kingdoms of the world.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

You know what I don't get is that BioWare showed that blowing up a relay in #2 = the destruction of a solar system. So why change this in #3? The math doesn't add up.

Asteroid + relay = explosion destroying system

Space magic + relays = explosion but system lives

It just doesn't add up. And the amount of assets you have shouldn't be able to change any of that.


Look on youtube,

The Prothean VI said that the Catalyst, Crucible would use Dark Energy to make a FREQUENCY to Destroy the Reapers and Mass Relays. 

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Okaaaaaay, what's happened since page 204? I've been gone just over a day and I refuse to read 40+ pages unless there's something interesting in there :lol:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Now again for the ones who have no clue about music? :D
You can find them in the game files:
biod_end002_510red.Wwise_End002_Streaming.cineanim_end02_flashback_anderson
biod_end002_510red.Wwise_End002_Streaming.cineanim_end02_flashback_joker
biod_end002_510red.Wwise_End002_Streaming.cineanim_end02_flashback_rom

The sound with the "train" would be
biod_end002_520blue.Wwise_End002_Streaming.cineanim_end02_blue_insert


Not that I know much about how to read music, but I dont follow. What do the file names have to do with have or not having a clue about music?

I don't have a clue so I have no idea what exactly he was talking about, but the file names were pointers to where he could find them for further analysis.


I realise this post is from over a day ago now, but basically an LFO (low-frequency oscillator) connected to the pitch control, so you end up with a pitch that wobbles, and in that case the brain tends to give more weight to the higher frequencies when "guessing" what the pitch is.
(tl;dr, we were probably all wrong on that one :whistle:)


Bill Casey wrote...

I just realized Jesus was led through the wilderness by Satan...

Then
Satan took him up to the holy city, showed him all of the kingdoms of
the world (Citadel Arms Closed) And promised him all the power he had...

Jesus
rejected him. Then Satan took Jesus up to the highest point of the
temple, and told him to prove he was the son of god and jump off. Jesus
again rejected this...

Good call - ME does reference things out of biblical and more ancient mythological texts occasionally, so that's an interesting point.