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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Big Bad wrote...

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The cashier at Target told me the ec dlc is a musical


Like "Once More with Feeling?"  SWEET!:D


The feature song? Don't Fear The Reaper.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

DJBare wrote...That still does not explain why Hackett was not in favor when there are no other leads.


Because they're in the middle of a war, no time for "maybes" or "what ifs" unless it's Shepard I guess. If he really didn't want you to go there, there would be dialogue of him telling you so before  you left not after.

Are you deliberately missing the point?, according to Hackett we need the crucible to defeat the reapers, we are missing a vital piece of information to complete the crucible that was taken by TIM, the clues lead us to sanctuary, remember Hackett wants the crucible built, so I ask again, why would Hackett not be in favor of Shepard following up on the clues and going to Sanctuary?

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Also, hi everyone. Glad to see the discussion still going. At least i think it is, anyways.

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DJBare wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

DJBare wrote...That still does not explain why Hackett was not in favor when there are no other leads.


Because they're in the middle of a war, no time for "maybes" or "what ifs" unless it's Shepard I guess. If he really didn't want you to go there, there would be dialogue of him telling you so before  you left not after.

Are you deliberately missing the point?, according to Hackett we need the crucible to defeat the reapers, we are missing a vital piece of information to complete the crucible that was taken by TIM, the clues lead us to sanctuary, remember Hackett wants the crucible built, so I ask again, why would Hackett not be in favor of Shepard following up on the clues and going to Sanctuary?


I'm not sure what else you want from me, I don't think there's sufficient evidence in the line "I wasn't in favor of your diversion to Sanctuary, but it paid off" (paraphrasing) as from he thought your time might be better spent elsewhere.

Maybe he didn't think anything was at Sanctuary?
Maybe he thought Sanctuary was a scam run by Volus?
Maybe he thought Sanctuary was a refugee colony?
Maybe he tried to get in contact with you for an urgent Cerberus related mission but couldn't because of the interference on Horizon?
Hackett indoctrinated by The Illusive Man seems too much a stretch, maybe by the Reapers, but The Illusive Man would have to get to him first to implant him.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

DJBare wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Sanctuary wasn't a guranteed place they'd find Cerberus or even Kai Leng, just the only place with any activity in the system Traynor managed to track him too. And she didn't really track him directly there, only to the system that his shuttle disappeared in. So it was a gamble that might not have paid off, so it's understandable if Hackett wouldn't approve but this is Shepard he's talking to so he's not about to order them not to if he/she really thinks it's worth going to.

That still does not explain why Hackett was not in favor when there are no other leads.


Because they're in the middle of a war, no time for "maybes" or "what ifs" unless it's Shepard I guess. If he really didn't want you to go there, there would be dialogue of him telling you so before  you left not after.


It's not Hackett saying; "Don't go there, because I specifically tell you not to." It's him saying "Well, I figured this would be a waste of time and doubted anything would come of it, but apparently I was wrong." The fact that he never forbade you or ordered you not to basically shows while yes, he wasn't in favor of it, likely figuring it to be a wild goose chase, it's not like he had a better lead for you.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

Is this the marketing theory you were looking for?


Yes and thank you.

Byne you should add this to the OP.

http://social.biowar.../index/12162340


Hey... :blush: someone linked my thread....:wub:

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I'm not sure what else you want from me, I don't think there's sufficient evidence in the line "I wasn't in favor of your diversion to Sanctuary, but it paid off" (paraphrasing) as from he thought your time might be better spent elsewhere.

Hackett indoctrinated by The Illusive Man seems too much a stretch, maybe by the Reapers, but The Illusive Man would have to get to him first to implant him.

Sorry, I was a bit sharp, but Hackett has every reason for Shepard to follow up the clues and no reason to be against it, btw TIM has every reason for Hackett to be indoctrinated, Hackett is the one overseeing the construction of the crucible which TIM wants control of.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The cashier at Target told me the ec dlc is a musical


Like "Once More with Feeling?"  SWEET!:D


The feature song? Don't Fear The Reaper.


One internet for you, good sir!

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DJBare wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I'm not sure what else you want from me, I don't think there's sufficient evidence in the line "I wasn't in favor of your diversion to Sanctuary, but it paid off" (paraphrasing) as from he thought your time might be better spent elsewhere.

Hackett indoctrinated by The Illusive Man seems too much a stretch, maybe by the Reapers, but The Illusive Man would have to get to him first to implant him.

Sorry, I was a bit sharp, but Hackett has every reason for Shepard to follow up the clues and no reason to be against it, btw TIM has every reason for Hackett to be indoctrinated, Hackett is the one overseeing the construction of the crucible which TIM wants control of.

I like that someone else noticed the "Why haven't we heard from Admiral Hackett" line in the beginning of the game. That still bothers me. Hackett is also the main guy telling you you can't win the war without the crucible.

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Hackett indoctrinated is way too much of a stretch. You have to trust someone. Besides there is no proof that Hackett could be indoctrinated. I mean REALLY.... It's Hackett!!!!

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Modifié par infinite_regress, 25 mai 2012 - 05:26 .


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OK, I'm off for the night. See you all later.

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It's quiet...

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Too quiet...

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@ DJBare, did you check out the slow-mo vids of Shepards pistol change? I heard you were pretty caught up in that last time I was around....

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Also, hi everyone. Glad to see the discussion still going. At least i think it is, anyways.


We'll never give up until our theory becomes fact... Or the facts merely crush our hopes and dreams....

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so if IT is confirmed in the extended cut do you guys figure we'll get to see The Illusive Man again?

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I hope it true it's such a good theory :). And hackett indoctrinated come on its hackett he could rip two brutes and a banshee in half no problem indoctrination is a joke to Hackett he's to bad ass :)

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plfranke wrote...

so if IT is confirmed in the extended cut do you guys figure we'll get to see The Illusive Man again?


IF it's true probably yes, either that or see his lifeless body somewhere (like if we got him to shoot himself).

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

so if IT is confirmed in the extended cut do you guys figure we'll get to see The Illusive Man again?


IF it's true probably yes, either that or see his lifeless body somewhere (like if we got him to shoot himself).

lol if I just walked by TIM's dead body I would stop playing the game then and there

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plfranke wrote...

so if IT is confirmed in the extended cut do you guys figure we'll get to see The Illusive Man again?


I fully expect him to be the villian of ME4

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balance5050 wrote...

I actually kinda felt bad that we failed the last weekend challenge, I'll be sure to participate more in the future.


It's neat how they are integrating our failure into the next challenge, though. I like it. Would be cool if they did a head-to-head mode, though.

plfranke wrote...

so if IT is confirmed in the extended cut do you guys figure we'll get to see The Illusive Man again?

 

If IT is confirmed, I think we will, and he'll probably be (or become) the 'big boss' we saw in the Final Hours app.

Still, even if IT is confirmed, some part of what happened on the Citadel may or may not have occured- we don't really know the specifics.

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plfranke wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

so if IT is confirmed in the extended cut do you guys figure we'll get to see The Illusive Man again?


IF it's true probably yes, either that or see his lifeless body somewhere (like if we got him to shoot himself).

lol if I just walked by TIM's dead body I would stop playing the game then and there


Wait, why? Are you hoping he's alive to further mess with Shepard? Even if you paragon'd the hell out of him he's still a Reaper thrall, with just enough control left o put a bullet in his head.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

plfranke wrote...

so if IT is confirmed in the extended cut do you guys figure we'll get to see The Illusive Man again?


IF it's true probably yes, either that or see his lifeless body somewhere (like if we got him to shoot himself).

lol if I just walked by TIM's dead body I would stop playing the game then and there


Wait, why? Are you hoping he's alive to further mess with Shepard? Even if you paragon'd the hell out of him he's still a Reaper thrall, with just enough control left o put a bullet in his head.

nah I always liked The Illusive Man, he's my favorite character. I'm hoping everything was a hallucination after Harbinger's beam and either TIM does something at the last minute to save Shepard or at least something against the Reapers. I don't wanna see him as a villain though.