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[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because the second image still shows the Citadel and not the Crucible (but the firing part on the top)

Do you have any pics that confirms that he's still on the Citadel?

Still this:

i46.tinypic.com/6fqe09.jpg

So now your "decision platform" is again the emitter for the beam? Also you can see it at least somewhat retracts, now why shouldn't the center part also retract (which it does in any case)? The red circle on the left screen is at the "bottom" of dent.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 25 mai 2012 - 04:58 .

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The problem here is that we see the chasm and electric discharges before the Crucible docks.

That doesn't interfere with my theory. It actually helps it. If the Crucible was to introduce energy to the Citadel, this ould be the best place to transfer it to, where large amounts of energy are already being moved.

It wouldn't help if the place where shepard is was dead. Can you at least acknowledge how these peices are fitting?

Your theory is interesting but still needs proof. The Crucible docks after Shepard opens the Citadel arms. Do a flycam screenshot of the control panel room's ceiling.

Sure, but I already know what it looks like, it's a metalic ceiling with a small hole in the middle.

Then compare ceiling screenshots from before and after the Crucible docks.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The problem here is that we see the chasm and electric discharges before the Crucible docks.

That doesn't interfere with my theory. It actually helps it. If the Crucible was to introduce energy to the Citadel, this ould be the best place to transfer it to, where large amounts of energy are already being moved.

It wouldn't help if the place where shepard is was dead. Can you at least acknowledge how these peices are fitting?

Your theory is interesting but still needs proof. The Crucible docks after Shepard opens the Citadel arms. Do a flycam screenshot of the control panel room's ceiling.

Sure, but I already know what it looks like, it's a metalic ceiling with a small hole in the middle.

Then compare ceiling screenshots from before and after the Crucible docks.

You mean from Shepard's perspective or from the top of the control panel? I doubt to see anything on the top after it docks, it would be a massive waste of resources. But I'll check anyway.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because the second image still shows the Citadel and not the Crucible (but the firing part on the top)

Do you have any pics that confirms that he's still on the Citadel?

Still this:

i46.tinypic.com/6fqe09.jpg

So now your "decision platform" is again the emitter for the beam?

No. The platform separate from the prongs as it docks. Everything else satys the same.

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because the second image still shows the Citadel and not the Crucible (but the firing part on the top)

Do you have any pics that confirms that he's still on the Citadel?

Still this:

i46.tinypic.com/6fqe09.jpg

No sorry, your theory makes as much sense as the nanides theory. I'm an open-minded person but the facts aren't on your side.

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because the second image still shows the Citadel and not the Crucible (but the firing part on the top)

Do you have any pics that confirms that he's still on the Citadel?

Still this:

i46.tinypic.com/6fqe09.jpg

So now your "decision platform" is again the emitter for the beam?

No. The platform separate from the prongs as it docks. Everything else satys the same.

You can see it at least somewhat retracts, now why shouldn't the center part also retract (which it does in any case)? The red circle on the left screen is at the "bottom" of dent.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The problem here is that we see the chasm and electric discharges before the Crucible docks.

That doesn't interfere with my theory. It actually helps it. If the Crucible was to introduce energy to the Citadel, this ould be the best place to transfer it to, where large amounts of energy are already being moved.

It wouldn't help if the place where shepard is was dead. Can you at least acknowledge how these peices are fitting?

Your theory is interesting but still needs proof. The Crucible docks after Shepard opens the Citadel arms. Do a flycam screenshot of the control panel room's ceiling.

Sure, but I already know what it looks like, it's a metalic ceiling with a small hole in the middle.

Then compare ceiling screenshots from before and after the Crucible docks.

You mean from Shepard's perspective or from the top of the control panel? I doubt to see anything on the top after it docks, it would be a massive waste of resources. But I'll check anyway.

From the perspective of someone standing on the floor.

Flycam is a tricky tool because what they show is not necessarily related to what you want to find. They rather show a developer/designer/programmer perspective on the game than something meant as a part of the story's setting.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 05:05 .

[Big Bad]

If Shep arrives on the decision platform from lower in the citadel, and the crucible is above her, and there is no evidence that the platform is physically attached to the crucible, but it is definitely attached to the citadel why would I believe that she is actually standing on part of the crucible?

[HellishFiend]

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.

[balance5050]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because the second image still shows the Citadel and not the Crucible (but the firing part on the top)

Do you have any pics that confirms that he's still on the Citadel?

Still this:
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i46.tinypic.com/6fqe09.jpg

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No sorry, your theory makes as much sense as the nanides theory. I'm an open-minded person but the facts aren't on your side.

Even less sense.... I thought Epyon was like the objective cynic? Now he seems to be grasping at straws worse then us.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.

I disagree. IT doesn't preclude trying to understand why the things shown are what they are.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[balance5050]

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.

LOL! I don't even think it's a literalist thing... I think it's just an Epyon thing. But you're right, it doesn't belong here.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Because the second image still shows the Citadel and not the Crucible (but the firing part on the top)

Do you have any pics that confirms that he's still on the Citadel?

Still this:

i46.tinypic.com/6fqe09.jpg

So now your "decision platform" is again the emitter for the beam?

No. The platform separate from the prongs as it docks. Everything else satys the same.

You can see it at least somewhat retracts, now why shouldn't the center part also retract (which it does in any case)? The red circle on the left screen is at the "bottom" of dent.

I see it extend, which is supported by the angle of the blue beams coming from the left when standing under the prongs.
The beam slants downward toward the prongs just a bit, which suggests that the prongs extend, not retract.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.

I disagree. IT doesn't preclude understanding of why the things shown are what they are.

That logic opens so many cans of worms that it boggles the mind. Think about it for a bit.  The fact that so many things are unexplainable and unjustifiable is the very basis of IT in the first place. Why would you spend time trying to explain something's literal circumstance unless you were casing for it's face value interpretation?

Makes no sense. 

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The problem here is that we see the chasm and electric discharges before the Crucible docks.

That doesn't interfere with my theory. It actually helps it. If the Crucible was to introduce energy to the Citadel, this ould be the best place to transfer it to, where large amounts of energy are already being moved.

It wouldn't help if the place where shepard is was dead. Can you at least acknowledge how these peices are fitting?

Your theory is interesting but still needs proof. The Crucible docks after Shepard opens the Citadel arms. Do a flycam screenshot of the control panel room's ceiling.

Sure, but I already know what it looks like, it's a metalic ceiling with a small hole in the middle.

Then compare ceiling screenshots from before and after the Crucible docks.

You mean from Shepard's perspective or from the top of the control panel? I doubt to see anything on the top after it docks, it would be a massive waste of resources. But I'll check anyway.

From the perspective of someone standing on the floor.

Flycam is a tricky tool because what they show is not necessarily related to what you want to find. They rather show a developer/designer/programmer perspective on the game than something meant as a part of the story's setting.

Well then the ceiling remains the same with the exception of a bright light that shines through. What do you think is prodcing that light?

Also, why did bioware go through the truble of Modeling the control panel to fit with the base of the Descision Room?

I thought IT believers were good at seeing Bioware's clues and hints, and yet this one is getting written off quite easily.

That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

[balance5050]

We've lost him Jim...

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Well then the ceiling remains the same with the exception of a bright light that shines through. What do you think is prodcing that light?

Also, why did bioware go through the truble of Modeling the control panel to fit with the base of the Descision Room?

I thought IT believers were good at seeing Bioware's clues and hints, and yet this one is getting written off quite easily.

That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

See, and EpyonX3 just proved the point I was trying to make in my above post. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 25 mai 2012 - 05:14 .

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Well then the ceiling remains the same with the exception of a bright light that shines through. What do you think is prodcing that light?

Also, why did bioware go through the truble of Modeling the control panel to fit with the base of the Descision Room?

I thought IT believers were good at seeing Bioware's clues and hints, and yet this one is getting written off quite easily.

That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

See, and EpyonX3 just proved the point I was trying to make in my above post. 

Your point is also flawed. It doesn't allow constructive critism in the IT thread. Something that is valuable for the theory to continue existing. It's too bad.

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.

I disagree. IT doesn't preclude understanding of why the things shown are what they are.

That logic opens so many cans of worms that it boggles the mind. Think about it for a bit.  The fact that so many things are unexplainable and unjustifiable is the very basis of IT in the first place. Why would you spend time trying to explain something's literal circumstance unless you were casing for it's face value interpretation?

Makes no sense.

Because it's a theory which has to have a solid base in order to work. If you can't show that you are on the Citadel some of the base, non reaper technology/writings on the Citadel can't be used in favor of IT. But what Epyon does here is simple denial as he doesn't consider ratios of the different parts of the Crucible and Citadel.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.

I disagree. IT doesn't preclude understanding of why the things shown are what they are.

That logic opens so many cans of worms that it boggles the mind. Think about it for a bit.  The fact that so many things are unexplainable and unjustifiable is the very basis of IT in the first place. Why would you spend time trying to explain something's literal circumstance unless you were casing for it's face value interpretation?

Makes no sense. 

No. It makes sense. If IT's basis was unexplainable and unjustifiable the whole reality would collapse in on itself. And only nothing would exist. Shepard creates the ending in his mind from building blocks of different kind. Those are objects he encountered in his life but also physical laws he experienced and causality which is not entirely violated.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Well then the ceiling remains the same with the exception of a bright light that shines through. What do you think is prodcing that light?

Also, why did bioware go through the truble of Modeling the control panel to fit with the base of the Descision Room?

I thought IT believers were good at seeing Bioware's clues and hints, and yet this one is getting written off quite easily.

That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

See, and EpyonX3 just proved the point I was trying to make in my above post. 

Your point is also flawed. It doesn't allow constructive critism in the IT thread. Something that is valuable for the theory to continue existing. It's too bad.

The thing is your theory makes absolutly no sense, if he is indeed inside the crucible, then the chances of him surviving the crucible's explosion are even less! Don't do this Epyon... your credibility is waning.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Your point is also flawed. It doesn't allow constructive critism in the IT thread. Something that is valuable for the theory to continue existing. It's too bad.

My point is not flawed at all. I look at everything objectively. I gave your theory plenty of chances to convince me. I carefully read your posts, participated in the discussion, and politely concluded that I disagreed. Practically everyone else here did the same thing. We didnt tell you to get out as soon as you raised the subject.

But at this point, its become its own full blown theory. You even made a blog about it. So dont you think it deserves its own topic now?

Modifié par HellishFiend, 25 mai 2012 - 05:22 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...


No. It makes sense. If IT's basis was unexplainable and unjustifiable the whole reality would collapse in on itself. And only nothing would exist. Shepard creates the ending in his mind from building blocks of different kind. Those are objects he encountered in his life but also physical laws he experienced and causality which is not entirely violated.

But that isnt what I said. Just nevermind it, not important. 

[MissOuJ]

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.

I know I am



Although if the desicion room is where the Crucible and the Citadel meet, wouldn't it be impossible for Shepard to be in said space physically? Not to mention that the "divine ascention" into said place is a bit weird and heavy on symbolism...

[balance5050]

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.