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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#6551
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EpyonX3 wrote...


That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.


So, I just got here. Give me a short explanation as to why, if you would.

Plus I always thought you didnt believe IT in the first place, is this really even changing your position?

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balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.

The same happened to the Unified Nanide-based IT. It was crucified. Posted Image

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Ah, yes. On the Crucible. A theory that makes no sense whatsoever and isn't supported if you take the ratios of the subobjects into account. We have dismissed that claim.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Ah, yes. On the Crucible. A theory that makes no sense whatsoever and isn't supported if you take the ratios of the subobjects into account. We have dismissed that claim.


Your sig: what do the words say? Indoctrinated?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 mai 2012 - 05:25 .


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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.

The same happened to the Unified Nanide-based IT. It was crucified. Posted Image


Paxxton I will say this, since I last derided your nanide theory, I have read the part of Retribution that talks about the nanides being used on Grayson, so I do apologize for saying your theory was completely baseless. I still disagree with it (though lets not get into it again...), but I can see your justification for the theory. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.


I know I am

:blink:

Although if the desicion room is where the Crucible and the Citadel meet, wouldn't it be impossible for Shepard to be in said space physically? Not to mention that the "divine ascention" into said place is a bit weird and heavy on symbolism...


Indeed, the kineetic barriers are disigned to keep foreign objects from hitting the citadel. Since the crucible docked, there should be no barrier, there for, Shepard shouldn't be able to breath. Also, when the crucble explodes it would consume all the oxygen anyway, reducing the chances of the "Shepard Alive" scene taking place on the citadel as well.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Ah, yes. On the Crucible. A theory that makes no sense whatsoever and isn't supported if you take the ratios of the subobjects into account. We have dismissed that claim.


Your sig: what do the words say? Indoctrinated?

That's the first word, yes.

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Notice that the prongs are physically connected to the beam connectors. And that they are hanging just a bit lower than the other connector. The prongs extend just slightly.

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.

The same happened to the Unified Nanide-based IT. It was crucified. Posted Image


Sorry? I said your theory made more sense then his. What more do you want?

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balance5050 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.


I know I am

:blink:

Although if the desicion room is where the Crucible and the Citadel meet, wouldn't it be impossible for Shepard to be in said space physically? Not to mention that the "divine ascention" into said place is a bit weird and heavy on symbolism...


Indeed, the kineetic barriers are disigned to keep foreign objects from hitting the citadel. Since the crucible docked, there should be no barrier, there for, Shepard shouldn't be able to breath. Also, when the crucble explodes it would consume all the oxygen anyway, reducing the chances of the "Shepard Alive" scene taking place on the citadel as well.


Wouldn't Shepard turn off the kinetic barries while opening the arms? I'm sure he knew to do this before it docked.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 25 mai 2012 - 05:30 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Ah, yes. On the Crucible. A theory that makes no sense whatsoever and isn't supported if you take the ratios of the subobjects into account. We have dismissed that claim.


Your sig: what do the words say? Indoctrinated?

That's the first word, yes.


Indoctrinated presence detected!

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.

The same happened to the Unified Nanide-based IT. It was crucified. Posted Image


Sorry? I said your theory made more sense then his. What more do you want?

You did? Sorry, I must've missed that. Posted Image

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.


I know I am

:blink:

Although if the desicion room is where the Crucible and the Citadel meet, wouldn't it be impossible for Shepard to be in said space physically? Not to mention that the "divine ascention" into said place is a bit weird and heavy on symbolism...


Indeed, the kineetic barriers are disigned to keep foreign objects from hitting the citadel. Since the crucible docked, there should be no barrier, there for, Shepard shouldn't be able to breath. Also, when the crucble explodes it would consume all the oxygen anyway, reducing the chances of the "Shepard Alive" scene taking place on the citadel as well.


Wouldn't Shepard turn off the kinetic barries while opening the arms? I'm sure he knew to do this before it docked.


Right... they're off.:huh:

Modifié par balance5050, 25 mai 2012 - 05:43 .


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balance5050 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Guys, seriously, this discussion belongs in another topic. It's a literalist/face value thing, NOT AN IT thing. People are going to come in here and get really confused.


I know I am

:blink:

Although if the desicion room is where the Crucible and the Citadel meet, wouldn't it be impossible for Shepard to be in said space physically? Not to mention that the "divine ascention" into said place is a bit weird and heavy on symbolism...


Indeed, the kineetic barriers are disigned to keep foreign objects from hitting the citadel. Since the crucible docked, there should be no barrier, there for, Shepard shouldn't be able to breath. Also, when the crucble explodes it would consume all the oxygen anyway, reducing the chances of the "Shepard Alive" scene taking place on the citadel as well.


To be honest, I'm not really fond of the arguments against Shepard being able to be where he is. Yes, it's speculations, but it heavily depends on how far BW bend the physics. Of course, Shep being able to survive an explosion, reentry and impact with +10k km/h without proper protection is bending it too far.

Arguments about the Carnifex/Predator switch are imho the best we have because, thx to flycam, we can see how the guns swap exactly when the shockwave hits. This really hints towards something done on purpose.

But whether there was a real possibily or not for Shep to be where he seems to be...too hard to check the argument.

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.

The same happened to the Unified Nanide-based IT. It was crucified. Posted Image


Sorry? I said your theory made more sense then his. What more do you want?

You did? Sorry, I must've missed that. Posted Image


It does, I said that that your theory is at least plausible.

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MaximizedAction wrote...


Arguments about the Carnifex/Predator switch are imho the best we have because, thx to flycam, we can see how the guns swap exactly when the shockwave hits. This really hints towards something done on purpose.



I agree. If we assume that we are correctly interpreting Bioware's intended symbolism of the guns and the destroy pipe, then the carni/pred switch is one of the strongest pieces of evidence we've uncovered. 

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.

The same happened to the Unified Nanide-based IT. It was crucified. Posted Image


Sorry? I said your theory made more sense then his. What more do you want?

You did? Sorry, I must've missed that. Posted Image


It does, I said that that your theory is at least plausible.

Ah, yes. Now I remember.

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I'm sure at this point some of you wont mind me steering the subject away from what it currently is...
But I've been pondering something and wanted to ask about it before I put too much thought into it. You know when you're walking toward the control room, and there are things from Shepard's past around, like the Shadow Broker Ship engines, and scenes that resemble the collector base? Well around that point Anderson says (paraphrasing) "Wowa... One of the walls just shifted, the place is rearranging its self" I was wondering what he meant... Nothing seems to move all the way to the control room other than the engine... plate... things... Anyone know what I'm talking about?

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If the Citadel explodes, then how is Shepard still breathing at the end? Plus, the rubble around him when he gasps for breath looks like concrete and destroyed buildings, not metal which is what you'd expect from the Citadel - at least that's what my perception of it is. I don't see how there could be any other possibility other than it was a hallucination and nothing happened physically on the Citadel ...

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Munsterlander wrote...

I'm sure at this point some of you wont mind me steering the subject away from what it currently is...
But I've been pondering something and wanted to ask about it before I put too much thought into it. You know when you're walking toward the control room, and there are things from Shepard's past around, like the Shadow Broker Ship engines, and scenes that resemble the collector base? Well around that point Anderson says (paraphrasing) "Wowa... One of the walls just shifted, the place is rearranging its self" I was wondering what he meant... Nothing seems to move all the way to the control room other than the engine... plate... things... Anyone know what I'm talking about?


Some of us think it's just there to avoid the scenario where Anderson being at the control panel is 100% unbelievable and thus being too dead a giveaway.

Others think it has some meaning we havent figured out yet, especially considering that all of his other lines seem to be coming from Shepard's perspective (if you pretend Shepard is saying them, they make perfect sense from where he's standing). 

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If the Citadel explodes, then how is Shepard still breathing at the end? Plus, the rubble around him when he gasps for breath looks like concrete and destroyed buildings, not metal which is what you'd expect from the Citadel - at least that's what my perception of it is. I don't see how there could be any other possibility other than it was a hallucination and nothing happened physically on the Citadel ...


Welcome home.

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Stornskar wrote...

If the Citadel explodes, then how is Shepard still breathing at the end? Plus, the rubble around him when he gasps for breath looks like concrete and destroyed buildings, not metal which is what you'd expect from the Citadel - at least that's what my perception of it is. I don't see how there could be any other possibility other than it was a hallucination and nothing happened physically on the Citadel ...


We came to the same conclusion. B)

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HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, it deserves it's own topic, the IT'ers seem to have dismissed your claim Epyon. I know I have.

The same happened to the Unified Nanide-based IT. It was crucified. Posted Image


Paxxton I will say this, since I last derided your nanide theory, I have read the part of Retribution that talks about the nanides being used on Grayson, so I do apologize for saying your theory was completely baseless. I still disagree with it (though lets not get into it again...), but I can see your justification for the theory. 

Thank you a thousand times. This is my new signature. Just kidding. Posted Image

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EpyonX3 wrote...

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Notice that the prongs are physically connected to the beam connectors. And that they are hanging just a bit lower than the other connector. The prongs extend just slightly.

You can also see that the part where the beam is originating from is a tube inside a tube, which very much looks like it can be extended and retracted as needed.

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Ah, yes. On the Crucible. A theory that makes no sense whatsoever and isn't supported if you take the ratios of the subobjects into account. We have dismissed that claim.


Your sig: what do the words say? Indoctrinated?

That's the first word, yes.


Indoctrinated presence detected!

Yeah I know it was too easy with these four :P