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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Unschuld wrote...

I would feel mildly bad if Vega had to be put down, even if he isn't my favorite. Kaidan though... Watching the video of him getting killed during the Citadel coup on Youtube was painful. Killling him is like shooting a puppy in the face.


Seconded. I didn't even know that was possible. Then I went to YouTube to watch one of those death compilation videos and I was like "...what, what's this?"

Then I was like :o

"Why wouldn't you just stand down?"

"Man... couldn't defend himself. Shepard, I..."

"It's been an honour"

:crying:

//OT

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byne wrote...



Plus, as I have said before, I led him and Liara along, offered him a threesome with two attractive women, and he not only said no but seemed offended.

You cant come back from a mistake like turning down a threesome with two hot women, so leaving him to die seemed the merciful thing to do.


To be fair, if I was interested in a serious relationship with someone, and their only offer was a threesome with another girl, I would be disappointed. Maybe not offended, but disappointed. As a red blooded male, I'd still participate of course, resulting in emotional trauma, but eh, what can you do? 

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blooregard wrote...

Maybe us thinking that everyone is indoctrinated is a side effect of the indoctrination.

"feelings of being watched" Posted Image

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byne wrote...

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Ok, for the sake of theorizing. Say after Shepard wakes up, some stuff happens  and then joker kills Harbinger, temporarily releasing a grip on Shepard and crew. Couldn't we use the thorian spores to anchor ourselves in reality (halting further indoc) until we develop some sort of cure or treatment?


The thorian is dead, where you gonna get spores?


Shiala could donate some blood and we could take some spores and clone them?

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MissOuJ wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I would feel mildly bad if Vega had to be put down, even if he isn't my favorite. Kaidan though... Watching the video of him getting killed during the Citadel coup on Youtube was painful. Killling him is like shooting a puppy in the face.


Seconded. I didn't even know that was possible. Then I went to YouTube to watch one of those death compilation videos and I was like "...what, what's this?"

Then I was like :o

"Why wouldn't you just stand down?"

"Man... couldn't defend himself. Shepard, I..."

"It's been an honour"

:crying:


The best one is the low-friendship Ashley death, where she says something like "I hope the Reapers send you to hell!" as she dies. 

Really, Ashley? Really?

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If there turns out to be an indoctrinated mole it wont be the VS because they could be dead, unless of course the mole changes between players.


But Liara is a constant....


Liara is one of two constants.

Coincidentally the other constant already got Shepard killed once, and is in a relationship with an AI based on reaper tech.

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HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...



Plus, as I have said before, I led him and Liara along, offered him a threesome with two attractive women, and he not only said no but seemed offended.

You cant come back from a mistake like turning down a threesome with two hot women, so leaving him to die seemed the merciful thing to do.


To be fair, if I was interested in a serious relationship with someone, and their only offer was a threesome with another girl, I would be disappointed. Maybe not offended, but disappointed. As a red blooded male, I'd still participate of course, resulting in emotional trauma, but eh, what can you do? 


This.

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Friend of mine still firmly believes in the literal interpretation of the ending. Its fun watching him try to explain the physics of surviving a nuclear explosion in space and atmospheric reentry.

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Ah the thorian. I had forgotten that it had that potential. The spore idea makes sense. Being a ps3 owner I only have 2 playthroughs worth of experience with me1's story on the PC. They need to throw that game on the ps3 or the interactive comic needs way more depth.


In general though creatures with some form of hivemind seem to excibit reistance to indoctrination. The Thorian with its spores is one example and the Rachni Queen is the same.

Still though the Rachni were Indoctrinated once, but one might start to question to what degree now. It is interesting because allready back in ME2 I theorized that Sovereign drove the Rachni to war not to defeat the Council Races, but to get the Rachni killed. My reasoning abck then was that the Rachni was outside the cycle when it came to their weaponry with their heavy reliance on their natural acid which would bypass shields and melt armor, a potential threat to the Reapers.

Now I think it might also have been their resitance to indoctrination Sovereign wanted out of the way, though it is all theory.

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Unschuld wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...



Plus, as I have said before, I led him and Liara along, offered him a threesome with two attractive women, and he not only said no but seemed offended.

You cant come back from a mistake like turning down a threesome with two hot women, so leaving him to die seemed the merciful thing to do.


To be fair, if I was interested in a serious relationship with someone, and their only offer was a threesome with another girl, I would be disappointed. Maybe not offended, but disappointed. As a red blooded male, I'd still participate of course, resulting in emotional trauma, but eh, what can you do? 


This.


double this.

That's just how the male mind works.
Disappointing? Yes, but the priiiize...

#6636
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Unschuld wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

To be fair, if I was interested in a serious relationship with someone, and their only offer was a threesome with another girl, I would be disappointed. Maybe not offended, but disappointed. As a red blooded male, I'd still participate of course, resulting in emotional trauma, but eh, what can you do? 


This.


MaximizedAction wrote...


double this.

That's just how the male mind works.
Disappointing? Yes, but the priiiize...

 

Thanks, glad I'm not the only one who would feel that way. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 25 mai 2012 - 06:25 .


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Unschuld wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...



Plus, as I have said before, I led him and Liara along, offered him a threesome with two attractive women, and he not only said no but seemed offended.

You cant come back from a mistake like turning down a threesome with two hot women, so leaving him to die seemed the merciful thing to do.


To be fair, if I was interested in a serious relationship with someone, and their only offer was a threesome with another girl, I would be disappointed. Maybe not offended, but disappointed. As a red blooded male, I'd still participate of course, resulting in emotional trauma, but eh, what can you do? 


This.


Except it wasnt an offer of 'Lets have a no strings attached, no feelings, threesome'

It was an 'I care about both of you a lot, why limit ourselves' threesome.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Friend of mine still firmly believes in the literal interpretation of the ending. Its fun watching him try to explain the physics of surviving a nuclear explosion in space and atmospheric reentry.


From my perspective, being a literalist would be extremely frustrating.

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byne wrote...

Except it wasnt an offer of 'Lets have a no strings attached, no feelings, threesome'

It was an 'I care about both of you a lot, why limit ourselves' threesome.


If you cant read the subtext there, I dont know what to tell you. 

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Corik wrote...

Hey guys. This is the first time I post in these forums. I've been reading a lot about the ending of ME3 (which I ended yesterday because I couldn't play it until now). I really hope the ending was a dream related to Harbinger trying to Indoctrinate Shepard before he destroys it.

I can't explain with words how bad I feel after I completed the game. Currently I feel deeply depressed... I don't want to do anything, I don't want to talk to anyone... I'm just terribly sad. The ending is just so wrong. I could have accepted Shepard's death, but not like this.

So many hours playing this game, building relationships with the other people. Kaidan and Garrus, who became my Shepard's best friends. Liara and Tali, very important support at difficult times. Joker, the best pilot in the galaxy... and a close friend too. Well... everybody was important. The moment before the final battle, when talking with all of them. It really seemed to be a goodbye, but I never thought it would really be.

After all, Shepard died, alone, without his friends. That's insulting for me. I really hoped to see Shepard in a Hospital, with Kaidan and Garrus taking care of his friend after the reapers were destroyed. Just like Shepard was there for Kaidan. But no, the game simply ended. And it ended without sense. You were presented 3 options, almost forced to take one of the 2 options the reapers always wanted instead of destroying them. I obviously destroyed them. I don't know if I was being indoctrinated and I resisted... and when EC arrives I will stand up with my friends and we will finally destroy Harbinger and the reapers... I just know It seems Shepard died alone, and everything which I fought for was destroyed, and everyone I cared for have died.

So guys, I'm sorry for all this nonsense... and I really REALLY hope IT theory is right... because this hurts a lot (at least to me).

There there, we understand.
Why don't you get yourself a nice cup of  and join us when you are finished.

Modifié par Munsterlander, 25 mai 2012 - 06:29 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...



Plus, as I have said before, I led him and Liara along, offered him a threesome with two attractive women, and he not only said no but seemed offended.

You cant come back from a mistake like turning down a threesome with two hot women, so leaving him to die seemed the merciful thing to do.


To be fair, if I was interested in a serious relationship with someone, and their only offer was a threesome with another girl, I would be disappointed. Maybe not offended, but disappointed. As a red blooded male, I'd still participate of course, resulting in emotional trauma, but eh, what can you do? 


This.


double this.

That's just how the male mind works.
Disappointing? Yes, but the priiiize...


LOL!:D

F***in' Jacob man....

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Ah the thorian. I had forgotten that it had that potential. The spore idea makes sense. Being a ps3 owner I only have 2 playthroughs worth of experience with me1's story on the PC. They need to throw that game on the ps3 or the interactive comic needs way more depth.


In general though creatures with some form of hivemind seem to excibit reistance to indoctrination. The Thorian with its spores is one example and the Rachni Queen is the same.

Still though the Rachni were Indoctrinated once, but one might start to question to what degree now. It is interesting because allready back in ME2 I theorized that Sovereign drove the Rachni to war not to defeat the Council Races, but to get the Rachni killed. My reasoning abck then was that the Rachni was outside the cycle when it came to their weaponry with their heavy reliance on their natural acid which would bypass shields and melt armor, a potential threat to the Reapers.

Now I think it might also have been their resitance to indoctrination Sovereign wanted out of the way, though it is all theory.





This is good. The thing is if the Rachni couldn't be indoctrinated how did Sovereign drive them to war?

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byne wrote...

Liara is one of two constants.

Coincidentally the other constant already got Shepard killed once, and is in a relationship with an AI based on reaper tech.


What's he gonna do? Break his arm at me?

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It s funny because i had always imagined the rachni being indoctrinated and unleashed on the known galaxy as a way to weaken the galaxy as a whole. The rachni, left unchecked, woule have wiped out the council races.

The idea of being indoctrinated and forced to fight to get them out of the picture is an interesting perspective to see the rachni wars from.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Friend of mine still firmly believes in the literal interpretation of the ending. Its fun watching him try to explain the physics of surviving a nuclear explosion in space and atmospheric reentry.

You need to increase your rep before you can convince him.

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byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If there turns out to be an indoctrinated mole it wont be the VS because they could be dead, unless of course the mole changes between players.


But Liara is a constant....


Liara is one of two constants.

Coincidentally the other constant already got Shepard killed once, and is in a relationship with an AI based on reaper tech.


You know, an indoctrination witchhunt a la BSG season 1 would've been an interesting concept for ME3.

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

Liara is one of two constants.

Coincidentally the other constant already got Shepard killed once, and is in a relationship with an AI based on reaper tech.


What's he gonna do? Break his arm at me?


Oh that's low :D

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 mai 2012 - 06:29 .


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Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

Liara is one of two constants.

Coincidentally the other constant already got Shepard killed once, and is in a relationship with an AI based on reaper tech.


What's he gonna do? Break his arm at me?


No, but he flies the ship, so he could do something

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balance5050 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Unschuld wrote...


This.


double this.

That's just how the male mind works.
Disappointing? Yes, but the priiiize...


LOL!:D

F***in' Jacob man....


Like I said.... red blooded male....

Though I dont agree with Jacob's decision. A few months is too short to give up on someone you really care about. 

Oops, we got off topic. Next topic?

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Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

Liara is one of two constants.

Coincidentally the other constant already got Shepard killed once, and is in a relationship with an AI based on reaper tech.


What's he gonna do? Break his arm at me?


No, but he might do something crazy, like, oh, I dont know, leaving you for dead, taking your entire crew, and fleeing through a relay to somewhere that they wouldnt be able to help you.

But we all know Joker would never do tha- ohwaitaminute

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Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

Liara is one of two constants.

Coincidentally the other constant already got Shepard killed once, and is in a relationship with an AI based on reaper tech.


What's he gonna do? Break his arm at me?

No, he's gonna kidnap your squad and flee the battle.

EDIT: Byne ninja'd me.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 25 mai 2012 - 06:30 .