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[Munsterlander]

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness? 

I don't know, being shot to the gut by your ex-boss who you currently out-rank while trying to do your duty might make you say things you don't really mean.

Gut wounds are a *****.

But seriously. Shilelds down when in open conflict? Rookey mistake.

It's known fact that in video game cut scenes, people are so hyped up at being on camera they forget to turn shields on...

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

byne wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness? 

I don't know, being shot to the gut by your ex-boss who you currently out-rank while trying to do your duty might make you say things you don't really mean.

Gut wounds are a *****.

But seriously. Shilelds down when in open conflict? Rookey mistake.

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

"Think you can promote a Spectre?"

[MissOuJ]

byne wrote...

Either of you feel like linking the video?

It's in this death compilation video: Check the description for timestamp: Killing Ashley (Variant)

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

So, I just got here. Give me a short explanation as to why, if you would.

Plus I always thought you didnt believe IT in the first place, is this really even changing your position?

I was on the fence. I like the idea of IT. There are some good points to IT like the gun change and the husk eyes. But I find there is just as much wrong with it.

I took a look at the possibility of Shepard not bieng on the Citadel but on a component of the crucible that is attached to the Citadel. This would explain why there are human and geth peices on the platform. I believe this to be the case and therefore invalidates IT for me.

There's definetly some points against this theory and I acknowledge the possibility of it being wrong. I believe this is the way we should all approch or present theories.

I find that the base of the decision chamber is shaped similarly to the shape of the peice that rides on the end of prongs that are above Shepard's head. Not only that but the structure above to control panel allows the decision chamber to fit right on top of it.

On top of that, if you think about the design of the crucible and the citadel, it makes sense to me that the energy flows from the crucible, back down to the control panel room, into the panels and out to the rest of the citadel.

[MegumiAzusa]

Another line from Ashley in the Udina conflict:
Shep: "I'm on your side, but I need you to believe in me. Like you used to."
Ashley: "Maybe it's not time to give up on you yet."
Sounds much like there were suggestions in play, also the wording is quite weird... "not time [...] yet."

[RavenEyry]

Munsterlander wrote...

It's known fact that in video game cut scenes, people are so hyped up at being on camera they forget to turn shields on...

Saren remembers his shields on Virmire. Shep has them in one side scene where someone trys to catch them off guard. Apart from that, people act like they don't have shields in cutscenes.

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

The best one is the low-friendship Ashley death, where she says something like "I hope the Reapers send you to hell!" as she dies. 

Really, Ashley? Really?

Really?

*checking YouTube*

OMG! It's so weird, first the angle makes it almost look like she's smiling (creepy) and then she snarls her line and dies.

Well, she's always been a bit of a hard-***, hasn't she?

Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness? 

Either of you feel like linking the video?

What if... the VS is really indoctrinated and letting them live through that scene makes them turn on you in the endgame?

[RavenEyry]

EpyonX3 wrote...

I took a look at the possibility of Shepard not bieng on the Citadel but on a component of the crucible that is attached to the Citadel. This would explain why there are human and geth peices on the platform. I believe this to be the case and therefore invalidates IT for me.

Why would Shep being on the crucible invalidate IT? The only evidence it removes is the pylons and possibly the breathing in space thing. In fact, being on the crucible would prove the catalyst was lying to us.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness? 

I don't know, being shot to the gut by your ex-boss who you currently out-rank while trying to do your duty might make you say things you don't really mean.

Gut wounds are a *****.

But seriously. Shilelds down when in open conflict? Rookey mistake.

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

No, Shep still outranks Ashley, Shep is Commander, Ash only Lieutenant-Commander.

[MissOuJ]

byne wrote...

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

In Systems Alliance military she outranks Shepard, since Shepard is still a Commander, but Ashley/Kaidan get promoted to Major. Of course they're all still Spectres, but in military terms Ashley outranks Shepard.

//OT

EDIT No wait, I was wrong. Kaidan is promoted to Major and Ashkey to Leutenant Commander.

Still her ex-boss, tho.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 25 mai 2012 - 06:55 .

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

So, I just got here. Give me a short explanation as to why, if you would.

Plus I always thought you didnt believe IT in the first place, is this really even changing your position?

I was on the fence. I like the idea of IT. There are some good points to IT like the gun change and the husk eyes. But I find there is just as much wrong with it.

I took a look at the possibility of Shepard not bieng on the Citadel but on a component of the crucible that is attached to the Citadel. This would explain why there are human and geth peices on the platform. I believe this to be the case and therefore invalidates IT for me.

There's definetly some points against this theory and I acknowledge the possibility of it being wrong. I believe this is the way we should all approch or present theories.

I find that the base of the decision chamber is shaped similarly to the shape of the peice that rides on the end of prongs that are above Shepard's head. Not only that but the structure above to control panel allows the decision chamber to fit right on top of it.

On top of that, if you think about the design of the crucible and the citadel, it makes sense to me that the energy flows from the crucible, back down to the control panel room, into the panels and out to the rest of the citadel.

How exactly would Shepard being on the Crucible invalidate IT though?

That in no way changes the fact that according to IT, it is still just a hallucination.

Whether its a dream or not, Shepard knows the Crucible has been built by humans and geth. Either she's actually seeing it or its her imagining it.

Either way, she has a holographic display of the Crucible, and has Liara to talk about the Crucible with. Shep likely knows the basic design of the Crucible, so would accurately be able to reconstruct it in a hallucination.

It could be a hallucination just as easily as Shep could really be there.

Though I respect your opinion that it disproves IT completely for you, I disagree with it.

Anyways, hopefully your change of stance to anti-IT doesnt mean you'll stop visiting the thread or start acting like the anti-IT trolls that come in here.

I'd hate to have to find another person to hold up as my example of a rational person that disagrees with IT.

[Corik]

MissOuJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

In Systems Alliance military she outranks Shepard, since Shepard is still a Commander, but Ashley/Kaidan get promoted to Major. Of course they're all still Spectres, but in military terms Ashley outranks Shepard.

//OT

I remember a codex entry where it was explained that Commander is not the same as Lieutenant Commander. Is a "unofficial" rank given to those who are exceptional at commanding. So maybe Shepard really outranks Ash/Kaidan even if they are Majors.

[RavenEyry]

MissOuJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

In Systems Alliance military she outranks Shepard, since Shepard is still a Commander, but Ashley/Kaidan get promoted to Major. Of course they're all still Spectres, but in military terms Ashley outranks Shepard.

//OT

Only Kaiden is a major. You don't go from gunnery chief to major in three years.

[MegumiAzusa]

MissOuJ wrote...

byne wrote...

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

In Systems Alliance military she outranks Shepard, since Shepard is still a Commander, but Ashley/Kaidan get promoted to Major. Of course they're all still Spectres, but in military terms Ashley outranks Shepard.

//OT

Only Kaidan gets Major, Ashley gets LC.

[MissOuJ]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Only Kaidan gets Major, Ashley gets LC.

Yep, noticed my mistake almost immediatedly after I hit Submit. Woops!

Gotta still hurt, though.

//OT

What's new with the IT? Already catched up on the "maybe indoctrinated crew members" - anything else new?

[BatmanTurian]

latest poll results on HTL:

Yes 649 vote(s) 80.4%

 No 158 vote(s) 19.6%

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 07:00 .

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

So, I just got here. Give me a short explanation as to why, if you would.

Plus I always thought you didnt believe IT in the first place, is this really even changing your position?

I was on the fence. I like the idea of IT. There are some good points to IT like the gun change and the husk eyes. But I find there is just as much wrong with it.

I took a look at the possibility of Shepard not bieng on the Citadel but on a component of the crucible that is attached to the Citadel. This would explain why there are human and geth peices on the platform. I believe this to be the case and therefore invalidates IT for me.

There's definetly some points against this theory and I acknowledge the possibility of it being wrong. I believe this is the way we should all approch or present theories.

I find that the base of the decision chamber is shaped similarly to the shape of the peice that rides on the end of prongs that are above Shepard's head. Not only that but the structure above to control panel allows the decision chamber to fit right on top of it.

On top of that, if you think about the design of the crucible and the citadel, it makes sense to me that the energy flows from the crucible, back down to the control panel room, into the panels and out to the rest of the citadel.

How exactly would Shepard being on the Crucible invalidate IT though?

That in no way changes the fact that according to IT, it is still just a hallucination.

Whether its a dream or not, Shepard knows the Crucible has been built by humans and geth. Either she's actually seeing it or its her imagining it.

Either way, she has a holographic display of the Crucible, and has Liara to talk about the Crucible with. Shep likely knows the basic design of the Crucible, so would accurately be able to reconstruct it in a hallucination.

It could be a hallucination just as easily as Shep could really be there.

Though I respect your opinion that it disproves IT completely for you, I disagree with it.

Anyways, hopefully your change of stance to anti-IT doesnt mean you'll stop visiting the thread or start acting like the anti-IT trolls that come in here.

I'd hate to have to find another person to hold up as my example of a rational person that disagrees with IT.

In two screenshots he gives the same parts different descriptions, one time he thinks he sees the whole platform, another time they are energy transmitter and that what he says is the platform even has a smaller diameter than the part where the beam is coming from. He is ignoring himself, so acknowledging his "theory" is like saying "yes I too see the sky is green"

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness? 

I don't know, being shot to the gut by your ex-boss who you currently out-rank while trying to do your duty might make you say things you don't really mean.

Gut wounds are a *****.

But seriously. Shilelds down when in open conflict? Rookey mistake.

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

No, Shep still outranks Ashley, Shep is Commander, Ash only Lieutenant-Commander.

Except, according to the codex, just 'Commander' isnt a rank

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

So, I just got here. Give me a short explanation as to why, if you would.

Plus I always thought you didnt believe IT in the first place, is this really even changing your position?

I was on the fence. I like the idea of IT. There are some good points to IT like the gun change and the husk eyes. But I find there is just as much wrong with it.

I took a look at the possibility of Shepard not bieng on the Citadel but on a component of the crucible that is attached to the Citadel. This would explain why there are human and geth peices on the platform. I believe this to be the case and therefore invalidates IT for me.

There's definetly some points against this theory and I acknowledge the possibility of it being wrong. I believe this is the way we should all approch or present theories.

I find that the base of the decision chamber is shaped similarly to the shape of the peice that rides on the end of prongs that are above Shepard's head. Not only that but the structure above to control panel allows the decision chamber to fit right on top of it.

On top of that, if you think about the design of the crucible and the citadel, it makes sense to me that the energy flows from the crucible, back down to the control panel room, into the panels and out to the rest of the citadel.

How exactly would Shepard being on the Crucible invalidate IT though?

That in no way changes the fact that according to IT, it is still just a hallucination.

Whether its a dream or not, Shepard knows the Crucible has been built by humans and geth. Either she's actually seeing it or its her imagining it.

Either way, she has a holographic display of the Crucible, and has Liara to talk about the Crucible with. Shep likely knows the basic design of the Crucible, so would accurately be able to reconstruct it in a hallucination.

It could be a hallucination just as easily as Shep could really be there.

Though I respect your opinion that it disproves IT completely for you, I disagree with it.

Anyways, hopefully your change of stance to anti-IT doesnt mean you'll stop visiting the thread or start acting like the anti-IT trolls that come in here.

I'd hate to have to find another person to hold up as my example of a rational person that disagrees with IT.

You two are forgetting that the Geth only help with building the Crucible if they're alive to do it, which is not true in every game. So why is Geth tech there then?

[balance5050]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

In two screenshots he gives the same parts different descriptions, one time he thinks he sees the whole platform, another time they are energy transmitter and that what he says is the platform even has a smaller diameter than the part where the beam is coming from. He is ignoring himself, so acknowledging his "theory" is like saying "yes I too see the sky is green"

Yeah, Epyon is seeming unusually ridiculous today.

[byne]

Unschuld wrote...

You two are forgetting that the Geth only help with building the Crucible if they're alive to do it, which is not true in every game. So why is Geth tech there then?

The quarians may have salvaged geth tech and implemented it into the Crucible.

Xen was always so obsessed over studying the geth, I doubt she wouldnt find some things they had and implement them.

[MissOuJ]

BatmanTurian wrote...

latest poll results on HTL:

Yes 649 vote(s) 80.4%

 No 158 vote(s) 19.6%

In Priestly's " Do you believe in IT" poll?

Damn.

Altho ~650 people probably aren't enough to decide the faith of the ending, still cool.

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness? 

I don't know, being shot to the gut by your ex-boss who you currently out-rank while trying to do your duty might make you say things you don't really mean.

Gut wounds are a *****.

But seriously. Shilelds down when in open conflict? Rookey mistake.

Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.

Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.

No, Shep still outranks Ashley, Shep is Commander, Ash only Lieutenant-Commander.

Except, according to the codex, just 'Commander' isnt a rank

In the military, sometimes full rank is dropped during more casual conversation. Example, When Lt Col. Farrel was my CO, we sometimes just referred to him as 'Colonel Farrel".

[Ravereth]

Wait, wait wait is there any conection between VS and EC? Something I don't know or just off topic?

[MegumiAzusa]

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


That said, I am officially changing stance and becoming full anti-IT. If I'm wrong then so be it, I'll still admit being wrong if IT is true, but I can't believe it anymore.

So, I just got here. Give me a short explanation as to why, if you would.

Plus I always thought you didnt believe IT in the first place, is this really even changing your position?

I was on the fence. I like the idea of IT. There are some good points to IT like the gun change and the husk eyes. But I find there is just as much wrong with it.

I took a look at the possibility of Shepard not bieng on the Citadel but on a component of the crucible that is attached to the Citadel. This would explain why there are human and geth peices on the platform. I believe this to be the case and therefore invalidates IT for me.

There's definetly some points against this theory and I acknowledge the possibility of it being wrong. I believe this is the way we should all approch or present theories.

I find that the base of the decision chamber is shaped similarly to the shape of the peice that rides on the end of prongs that are above Shepard's head. Not only that but the structure above to control panel allows the decision chamber to fit right on top of it.

On top of that, if you think about the design of the crucible and the citadel, it makes sense to me that the energy flows from the crucible, back down to the control panel room, into the panels and out to the rest of the citadel.

How exactly would Shepard being on the Crucible invalidate IT though?

That in no way changes the fact that according to IT, it is still just a hallucination.

Whether its a dream or not, Shepard knows the Crucible has been built by humans and geth. Either she's actually seeing it or its her imagining it.

Either way, she has a holographic display of the Crucible, and has Liara to talk about the Crucible with. Shep likely knows the basic design of the Crucible, so would accurately be able to reconstruct it in a hallucination.

It could be a hallucination just as easily as Shep could really be there.

Though I respect your opinion that it disproves IT completely for you, I disagree with it.

Anyways, hopefully your change of stance to anti-IT doesnt mean you'll stop visiting the thread or start acting like the anti-IT trolls that come in here.

I'd hate to have to find another person to hold up as my example of a rational person that disagrees with IT.

You two are forgetting that the Geth only help with building the Crucible if they're alive to do it, which is not true in every game. So why is Geth tech there then?

Because Geth tech is based on Quarian tech and the Geth parts come from packages named "Quarian..."