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[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

No, they can hold in oxygen or at least some atmosphere. Joker is behind one in the cockpit at the beginning of ME2 during the collector attack. It's the only thing keeping him from being exposed to vaccum.

Wait I don't think that was a Kinetic Barrier since Shepard walked right threw it. Wasn't that a Mass Effect Field? We see that same thing when the giant eye think comes through the hull during the suicide mission. The fields turn on to seal the oxygen in. But like we see in the beginning, Shep can walk through it without deactivating it.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...


About kinetic barries, I just read that a peice of the normandy sliced through his oxygen supply. I don't remember that or am not about to agree, but if true, why didn't the barrier stop that?

The only reason I can think of is that the blastsor two that Shepard get that push him off the Normandy killed his barries much like when Shepard gets hit by an grenade. This allowed the object to puncture his suit. But then a punctured suit would comromise the integrity of the suit, which means that his suit would burn up much faster.

Am I going the right way?

Kinetic barriers only stop things going faster than a certain speed I believe.

Its why you can still hold guns and sit in chairs and stuff, and the kinetic barriers dont stop that.

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


No, they can hold in oxygen or at least some atmosphere. Joker is behind one in the cockpit at the beginning of ME2 during the collector attack. It's the only thing keeping him from being exposed to vaccum.

I thought he also had that snazzy little breathmask

He does have a mask but the temperature and pressure must still be containd because he is only wearing a t-shirt still. He would insta freeze if the barrier had a breach in it. I think the mask may be a safety protocol thing, I don't know if it's actually the thing saving him.

Science Fiction

[BatmanTurian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Of course but then you have to take into account that systems were failing at the time and the situation wasn't improving until Sovereign was dead for sure. Also, those kinetic barries are useless...

No, they can hold in oxygen or at least some atmosphere. Joker is behind one in the cockpit at the beginning of ME2 during the collector attack. It's the only thing keeping him from being exposed to vaccum.

It is probably a Mass Effect field and not a kinetic barrier which is used for closing hull breaches.

Thanks Raistlin, that's actually what I meant and probably what maximized meant too. a mass effect field can hold in atmosphere and they exist around the outside of the citadel. Certainly the Council chambers would have them installed.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Wait I don't think that was a Kinetic Barrier since Shepard walked right threw it. Wasn't that a Mass Effect Field?

What do you think kinetic barriers are? 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

@Unschuld
I've seen that scene so many times and I can say that just when the camera starts to pan out Shep is glowing to a degree.

The "sun" is rising correction: setting over the planet as the camera pans. There is a blink of light as Shepard tumbles away, which might not be burning, but merely a reflection. Besides, the angle which he gets blasted away from the Normandy isn't straight towards the planet, but the horizon.

http://www.youtube.c...k7hwbrRc#t=413s

I could very well be wrong, but I find the fact that it's never specifically stated that he reenters atmo, he's propelled FAR away from the Normandy wreckage where you find the helmet, and surviving (physically, not alive/dead) reentry just being too hard to believe pushes me away from that idea.

I think you're in denial, because the scene specifically shows Shepard being propelled toward the planet and bursting into flame on her backside as she's falling into the upper atmosphere. The planet has a thinner atmosphere and lower gravity than earth. Shepard has full armor and kenetic barriers. It is possible that parts of her would still be intact and they would be preserved on a frozen world like that.

About kinetic barries, I just read that a peice of the normandy sliced through his oxygen supply. I don't remember that or am not about to agree, but if true, why didn't the barrier stop that?

The only reason I can think of is that the blastsor two that Shepard get that push him off the Normandy killed his barries much like when Shepard gets hit by an grenade. This allowed the object to puncture his suit. But then a punctured suit would comromise the integrity of the suit, which means that his suit would burn up much faster.

Am I going the right way?

Maybe the sharpnel hit the air supply itself? And even if shrapnel pierced the suit i would guess the suit is self sealing to avoid exposing the entire body to enviromental effects in case of a suit breach. Tali describes a similar mechanic with her own suit to contain infections.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

No, they can hold in oxygen or at least some atmosphere. Joker is behind one in the cockpit at the beginning of ME2 during the collector attack. It's the only thing keeping him from being exposed to vaccum.

Wait I don't think that was a Kinetic Barrier since Shepard walked right threw it. Wasn't that a Mass Effect Field? We see that same thing when the giant eye think comes through the hull during the suicide mission. The fields turn on to seal the oxygen in. But like we see in the beginning, Shep can walk through it without deactivating it.

No. If an object moves slowly, it can cross a kinetic barrier because it's kinetic energy is low.

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

Science Fiction

Why yes, that is the genre we're dealing with right now.

[BatmanTurian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

HyperGlass wrote...

@Unschuld
I've seen that scene so many times and I can say that just when the camera starts to pan out Shep is glowing to a degree.

The "sun" is rising correction: setting over the planet as the camera pans. There is a blink of light as Shepard tumbles away, which might not be burning, but merely a reflection. Besides, the angle which he gets blasted away from the Normandy isn't straight towards the planet, but the horizon.

http://www.youtube.c...k7hwbrRc#t=413s

I could very well be wrong, but I find the fact that it's never specifically stated that he reenters atmo, he's propelled FAR away from the Normandy wreckage where you find the helmet, and surviving (physically, not alive/dead) reentry just being too hard to believe pushes me away from that idea.

I think you're in denial, because the scene specifically shows Shepard being propelled toward the planet and bursting into flame on her backside as she's falling into the upper atmosphere. The planet has a thinner atmosphere and lower gravity than earth. Shepard has full armor and kenetic barriers. It is possible that parts of her would still be intact and they would be preserved on a frozen world like that.

About kinetic barries, I just read that a peice of the normandy sliced through his oxygen supply. I don't remember that or am not about to agree, but if true, why didn't the barrier stop that?

The only reason I can think of is that the blastsor two that Shepard get that push him off the Normandy killed his barries much like when Shepard gets hit by an grenade. This allowed the object to puncture his suit. But then a punctured suit would comromise the integrity of the suit, which means that his suit would burn up much faster.

Am I going the right way?

Maybe the sharpnel hit the air supply itself? And even if shrapnel pierced the suit i would guess the suit is self sealing to avoid exposing the entire body to enviromental effects in case of a suit breach. Tali describes a similar mechanic with her own suit to contain infections.

it looked as if it sliced through the tubes to the air supply. Her pack was facing the planet, not the explosion. The tubes started spouting gas and whipping around and Shepard was grabbing at them. Her suit doesn't self-seal the air supply tube apparently.

[excelon]

I didn't intend for you guys to analyze my statement to closely I mean from a Physics standpoint Shepard should have disintegrated, but it's a video game. They're allowed to bend the truth to a certain extent.

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Science Fiction

Why yes, that is the genre we're dealing with right now.

Good to have that in mind. Not everything in Mass Effect can be explained (even just plausibly).

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

The main problem in the discussion is we dont know the heat limit of Shepards suit or any suit in the ME universe. We only know they can hard seal to protect against extremes of tempretaure and that the armor is ablative and melts away when exposed to extreme heat, removing it from the body.

[BatmanTurian]

excelon wrote...

I didn't intend for you guys to analyze my statement to closely I mean from a Physics standpoint Shepard should have disintegrated, but it's a video game. They're allowed to bend the truth to a certain extent.

thinner atmosphere, lower gravity, kinetic barriers, futuristic dense armor created using high mass effect fields, iceball planet.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 08:42 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BatmanTurian wrote...

it looked as if it sliced through the tubes to the air supply. Her pack was facing the planet, not the explosion. The tubes started spouting gas and whipping around and Shepard was grabbing at them. Her suit doesn't self-seal the air supply tube apparently.

Well if they are sliced completely through I doubt they could self seal.

[byne]

You guys also seem to be forgetting Alchera (the planet the Normandy crashed on) only had an atmosphere 83% as thick as Earth's, and only had a gravity of 0.85g.

I dont pretend to understand the dynamics of reentry, but I'd figure that less gravity + less thick atmosphere would = less heat on reentry, no?

[BatmanTurian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The main problem in the discussion is we dont know the heat limit of Shepards suit or any suit in the ME universe. We only know they can hard seal to protect against extremes of tempretaure and that the armor is ablative and melts away when exposed to extreme heat, removing it from the body.

If we had a look at the armor on soldiers exposed to Harbinger's beam, and knew the heat of the beam, we could make an educated guess.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

You guys also seem to be forgetting Alchera (the planet the Normandy crashed on) only had an atmosphere 83% as thick as Earth's, and only had a gravity of 0.85g.

I dont pretend to understand the dynamics of reentry, but I'd figure that less gravity + less thick atmosphere would = less heat on reentry, no?

yes, exactly what I've been saying.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

You guys also seem to be forgetting Alchera (the planet the Normandy crashed on) only had an atmosphere 83% as thick as Earth's, and only had a gravity of 0.85g.

I dont pretend to understand the dynamics of reentry, but I'd figure that less gravity + less thick atmosphere would = less heat on reentry, no?

No.

I think you also have to consider the velocity of a moving object.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 08:48 .

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The main problem in the discussion is we dont know the heat limit of Shepards suit or any suit in the ME universe. We only know they can hard seal to protect against extremes of tempretaure and that the armor is ablative and melts away when exposed to extreme heat, removing it from the body.

If we had a look at the armor on soldiers exposed to Harbinger's beam, and knew the heat of the beam, we could make an educated guess.

We dont even need to know the exact heat. Harby's laser can destroy a dreadnought. Its got to be way hotter than anything that would be felt upon reentry. Shep was apparently not disintegrated by that, so I dont see why people claim reentry was a problem.

[byne]

Wait wait wait! You guys, the **** does any of this have to do with IT?

We should probly get back on topic sometime.

[MissOuJ]

excelon wrote...

I didn't intend for you guys to analyze my statement to closely I mean from a Physics standpoint Shepard should have disintegrated, but it's a video game. They're allowed to bend the truth to a certain extent.

Bending the truth to a certain extent is one thing - claiming the Destroy --> get the Breathe ending is supposed to be taken as valid because Shepard survived (or, as it is, didn't) reentry once, because he learned so much the first time he can survive it again with messed up armor and without. a. helmet. is a bit more than a strech - it's not even a plot hole, that's a full-blown ravine.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait! You guys, the **** does any of this have to do with IT?

We should probly get back on topic sometime.

I think we got on this to discuss how Shepard would survive... nevermind I forget. Yes back to IT

[excelon]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

You guys also seem to be forgetting Alchera (the planet the Normandy crashed on) only had an atmosphere 83% as thick as Earth's, and only had a gravity of 0.85g.

I dont pretend to understand the dynamics of reentry, but I'd figure that less gravity + less thick atmosphere would = less heat on reentry, no?

No.

I think you also have to consider the velocity of a moving object.

Using Newtonian Mechanics, and differentials on the Gravitational field at a given height, along with air possible air resistance. That would take awhile to calculate. But given the planets mass, and pressure I think I could do it.

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Science Fiction

Why yes, that is the genre we're dealing with right now.

Good to have that in mind. Not everything in Mass Effect can be explained (even just plausibly).

Actually that's exactly the point is that most things ARE explained....

[BatmanTurian]

MissOuJ wrote...

excelon wrote...

I didn't intend for you guys to analyze my statement to closely I mean from a Physics standpoint Shepard should have disintegrated, but it's a video game. They're allowed to bend the truth to a certain extent.

Bending the truth to a certain extent is one thing - claiming the Destroy --> get the Breathe ending is supposed to be taken as valid because Shepard survived (or, as it is, didn't) reentry once, because he learned so much the first time he can survive it again with messed up armor and without. a. helmet. is a bit more than a strech - it's not even a plot hole, that's a full-blown ravine.

more like the Mariana Trench

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 08:53 .