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[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I'm pretty sure it's explained that the suit can take radiation in limited quantities. Space suits are designed like that.

It's possible. I'm looking for that description.

Modern space suits do this.... It can't withstand insane amounts, but low levels.

How many of them are used for combat? I know technology advances to insane levels but fighting radiation is something you can't get around by simply improving technology.

Just because they never told us about the war with the Moon Men doesnt mean it didnt happen, you know.

LOL

It was the real contact war! 

[MissOuJ]

BatmanTurian wrote...

The armor would have kept most of his body together. It would just be separated at the major joints: head, arms, legs.
EDIT: not that all of his bones wouldn't be broken and his flesh smashed....

Still a bit weird they'd describe this only as "braindead" (hey guess, what? research team could've played ball with your severed read! ) and that the biggest problem they had with this was the longterm exposure to vacuum. Then again they had 2 years to put him back together so maybe attaching severed limbs isn't the most challenging part of the process...

But it still doens't take credibility away from my claim that even if he survived (if you can call that surviving) reentry one he could do it again in ME3.

Also, someone put a link on a thead in Bungie.net mentioned this post by Reptilian Rob:

His
gravitational mass is not dense enough to reenter the atmosphere, no
human body has enough mass to unless shot at terminal velocity, instead
his body re-entered the upper layers of the planets atmosphere and he
orbited the planet's own gravitational well.

Come on guys, this is Astronomy 101 here.

Can somebody with more mathematical talent back this up? I'm just a liberal arts major.

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also known as Challenger Deep at the deepest point.

No, this one.

Mars



Klendagon



Hmmm...

implications.... [sniff] problematic.

Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

[D.Sharrah]

Apparently a whole lot has happened since I went to bed last night...anyone have the Cliff notes version (of the IT stuff at any rate), that I can ctach up with?

[byne]

You know what, I just remembered something.

Legion recovered the piece of your armor he wears from the Normandy wreckage. 

Yknow, the wreckage on the planet.



Unless you're going to grasp at straws and be like 'Nah man, that was Shepard's formal armor, she only wore that for special occasions, she was wearing different armor at the time of the crash,' I believe I have won this argument.

[BatmanTurian]

MissOuJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The armor would have kept most of his body together. It would just be separated at the major joints: head, arms, legs.
EDIT: not that all of his bones wouldn't be broken and his flesh smashed....

Still a bit weird they'd describe this only as "braindead" (hey guess, what? research team could've played ball with your severed read! ) and that the biggest problem they had with this was the longterm exposure to vacuum. Then again they had 2 years to put him back together so maybe attaching severed limbs isn't the most challenging part of the process...

But it still doens't take credibility away from my claim that even if he survived (if you can call that surviving) reentry one he could do it again in ME3.

Also, someone put a link on a thead in Bungie.net mentioned this post by Reptilian Rob:

His
gravitational mass is not dense enough to reenter the atmosphere, no
human body has enough mass to unless shot at terminal velocity, instead
his body re-entered the upper layers of the planets atmosphere and he
orbited the planet's own gravitational well.

Come on guys, this is Astronomy 101 here.

Can somebody with more mathematical talent back this up? I'm just a liberal arts major.

whether his mass was dense enough or not, the explosion of the ship propelled him toward the planet. an object in mostion stays in motion until it strikes another object. I would expect the ship's engine blowing apart would propel Shepard at terminal velocity speed.

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

You know what, I just remembered something.

Legion recovered the piece of your armor he wears from the Normandy wreckage. 

Yknow, the wreckage on the planet.



Unless you're going to grasp at straws and be like 'Nah man, that was Shepard's formal armor, she only wore that for special occasions, she was wearing different armor at the time of the crash,' I believe I have won this argument.

oh yeah, that's right. Legion cosplays as Shepard. Legion is so awesome . I'm gonna miss that guy...er... geth platform .

[MissOuJ]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Apparently a whole lot has happened since I went to bed last night...anyone have the Cliff notes version (of the IT stuff at any rate), that I can ctach up with?

Umm.. there was some talk about whether Shep was in the Citadel or the Crucible with the God child (didn't really follow that one, sorry) and more recently, whether Shep entered Alchera's atmosphere in ME2 and if that can be used as an indicator of ME3's Breating ending being possible if IT is false.

[dreamgazer]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Apparently a whole lot has happened since I went to bed last night...anyone have the Cliff notes version (of the IT stuff at any rate), that I can ctach up with?

It's mostly chatter about the plausibility of Shepard's dying body breaking atmosphere in ME2, and how it correlates to the literal interpretation of Shepard falling to Earth in ME3.  Nothing major, as far as I can tell, outside of some kick-ass data extrapolation from a physics-minded poster. 

[dreamgazer]

BatmanTurian wrote...
oh yeah, that's right. Legion cosplays as Shepard. Legion is so awesome . I'm gonna miss that guy...er... geth platform .

I picture him riding off into the metaphorical sunset on the back of a unicorn. 

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also known as Challenger Deep at the deepest point.

No, this one.

Mars


Klendagon


Hmmm...

implications.... [sniff] problematic.

Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

That is interesting, but I think what Byne is implying is that the gash that was left on Klendagon, which was done using some kind of massive gun (forget what it's called, mass accelerator?) may have been used on mars at some point. Either that or Byne is implying Bioware copypasted Mars as Klendagon.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 09:46 .

[MissOuJ]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The armor would have kept most of his body together. It would just be separated at the major joints: head, arms, legs.
EDIT: not that all of his bones wouldn't be broken and his flesh smashed....

Still a bit weird they'd describe this only as "braindead" (hey guess, what? research team could've played ball with your severed read! ) and that the biggest problem they had with this was the longterm exposure to vacuum. Then again they had 2 years to put him back together so maybe attaching severed limbs isn't the most challenging part of the process...

But it still doens't take credibility away from my claim that even if he survived (if you can call that surviving) reentry one he could do it again in ME3.

Also, someone put a link on a thead in Bungie.net mentioned this post by Reptilian Rob:

His
gravitational mass is not dense enough to reenter the atmosphere, no
human body has enough mass to unless shot at terminal velocity, instead
his body re-entered the upper layers of the planets atmosphere and he
orbited the planet's own gravitational well.

Come on guys, this is Astronomy 101 here.

Can somebody with more mathematical talent back this up? I'm just a liberal arts major.

whether his mass was dense enough or not, the explosion of the ship propelled him toward the planet. an object in mostion stays in motion until it strikes another object. I would expect the ship's engine blowing apart would propel Shepard at terminal velocity speed.

Could that explosion propel him with terminal velocity though? He seems to still be alive after the first (and the biggest - or so it seems) blast although that could be the armor. What would even be "terminal velocity"? Not snarking, I just honestly don't know.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

You know what, I just remembered something.

Legion recovered the piece of your armor he wears from the Normandy wreckage. 

Yknow, the wreckage on the planet.



Unless you're going to grasp at straws and be like 'Nah man, that was Shepard's formal armor, she only wore that for special occasions, she was wearing different armor at the time of the crash,' I believe I have won this argument.

I absolutely LOVE this scene. This is the moment Legion became my favorite character in ME2.

The question is. Why is the armor still ripped up? It does very little to close the gapping hole in legion's chest. I never bought his story, I was hoping that ME3 would clarify this. He was obviously holding information when he said no data available.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

Isnt that sort of how Earth got the moon, too?

[BatmanTurian]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also known as Challenger Deep at the deepest point.

No, this one.

Mars


Klendagon


Hmmm...

implications.... [sniff] problematic.

Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

That is interesting, but I think what Byne is implying is that the gash that was left on Klendagon, which was done using some kind of massive gun (forget what it's called, mass accelerator?) may have been used on mars at some point. Either that or Byne is implying Bioware copypasted Mars as Klendagon.

Ah here it is:

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Klendagon
" Klendagon's most striking feature is, of course, the Great Rift valley that stretches across the southern hemisphere. What is most fascinating about the Rift is that it does not appear to be natural. The geological record suggests it is the result of a "glancing blow" by a mass accelerator round of unimaginable destructive power. This occurred some thirty-seven million years ago. "

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 09:52 .

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

You know what, I just remembered something.

Legion recovered the piece of your armor he wears from the Normandy wreckage. 

Yknow, the wreckage on the planet.



Unless you're going to grasp at straws and be like 'Nah man, that was Shepard's formal armor, she only wore that for special occasions, she was wearing different armor at the time of the crash,' I believe I have won this argument.

Spare armor. Along with the helmet. 

[MaximizedAction]

MissOuJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The armor would have kept most of his body together. It would just be separated at the major joints: head, arms, legs.
EDIT: not that all of his bones wouldn't be broken and his flesh smashed....

Still a bit weird they'd describe this only as "braindead" (hey guess, what? research team could've played ball with your severed read! ) and that the biggest problem they had with this was the longterm exposure to vacuum. Then again they had 2 years to put him back together so maybe attaching severed limbs isn't the most challenging part of the process...

But it still doens't take credibility away from my claim that even if he survived (if you can call that surviving) reentry one he could do it again in ME3.

Also, someone put a link on a thead in Bungie.net mentioned this post by Reptilian Rob:

His
gravitational mass is not dense enough to reenter the atmosphere, no
human body has enough mass to unless shot at terminal velocity, instead
his body re-entered the upper layers of the planets atmosphere and he
orbited the planet's own gravitational well.

Come on guys, this is Astronomy 101 here.

Can somebody with more mathematical talent back this up? I'm just a liberal arts major.

whether his mass was dense enough or not, the explosion of the ship propelled him toward the planet. an object in mostion stays in motion until it strikes another object. I would expect the ship's engine blowing apart would propel Shepard at terminal velocity speed.

Could that explosion propel him with terminal velocity though? He seems to still be alive after the first (and the biggest - or so it seems) blast although that could be the armor. What would even be "terminal velocity"? Not snarking, I just honestly don't know.

Terminal velocity is the maximal velocity an object can reach when accelerating in a non-vacuum medium, for example atmosphere or fluid. In our case, it's like the max. velocity a skydiver will reach when free-falling.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 mai 2012 - 09:51 .

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also known as Challenger Deep at the deepest point.

No, this one.

Mars


Klendagon


Hmmm...

implications.... [sniff] problematic.

Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

That is interesting, but I think what Byne is implying is that the gash that was left on Klendagon, which was done using some kind of massive gun (forget what it's called, mass accelerator?) may have been used on mars at some point. Either that or Byne is implying Bioware copypasted Mars as Klendagon.

Interesting because i had no idea why the planets were being compared. It'll be pretty cool if the reason mars looks like that is because there was an epic prothean/reaper battle on mars.

I just brought that up randomly.

[BatmanTurian]

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

You know what, I just remembered something.

Legion recovered the piece of your armor he wears from the Normandy wreckage. 

Yknow, the wreckage on the planet.



Unless you're going to grasp at straws and be like 'Nah man, that was Shepard's formal armor, she only wore that for special occasions, she was wearing different armor at the time of the crash,' I believe I have won this argument.

Spare armor. Along with the helmet. 

It was Shepard. Shepard was the only N7 on that ship. Of course, you could be kidding.  Just removing doubt.

[D.Sharrah]

Like I have posted other times in this thread...I don't think that we need to worry about Shepard "needing" to surviive re-entry...I don't think that he ever left London. And I think that they are two possible theories that really work here:

1. The conduit was a trap. Rather than "teleporting" Shepard to the Citadel, it in fact was an indoctrination device - and what we "see" is a hallucination.

2. Or more literally, the Conduit does not work in th way we expect it to. Rather than transporting Shepard's body to the Citadel - it transports his mind. And everything we see happens solely in the confines of his consciousness...and to quote Dumbledore, "Of course it is happening in your head Harry, but why on earth does that have to mean that it's not real."

Edit: And not to suggest that these are the only two possibilities that do explain what we see.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 25 mai 2012 - 09:51 .

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

You know what, I just remembered something.

Legion recovered the piece of your armor he wears from the Normandy wreckage. 

Yknow, the wreckage on the planet.



Unless you're going to grasp at straws and be like 'Nah man, that was Shepard's formal armor, she only wore that for special occasions, she was wearing different armor at the time of the crash,' I believe I have won this argument.

I absolutely LOVE this scene. This is the moment Legion became my favorite character in ME2.

The question is. Why is the armor still ripped up? It does very little to close the gapping hole in legion's chest. I never bought his story, I was hoping that ME3 would clarify this. He was obviously holding information when he said no data available.

Hmm, I can think of one thing that would either completely confirm or debunk my hypothesis that the armor Legion recovered from Alchera was in fact the same armor Shepard was wearing during the crash.

Liara had the armor Shep was wearing when she recovered her body in a glass case in her apartment on Illium.

If anyone has a ME2 save close to that point, load it up, and get us a screenshot of the armor from Liara's apartment. See if it is missing the chunk Legion is wearing

Modifié par byne, 25 mai 2012 - 09:53 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

Isnt that sort of how Earth got the moon, too?

Right but it's theorized that the earth was still a soft gooey ball. The one on mars happened after it cooled and solidified, which is why we see the gash today.

[BatmanTurian]

guys... i think i just had a lightbulb moment. What if the Crucible's design is based on the mass accelerator that struck Klendagon?

[MissOuJ]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Terminal velocity is the maximal velocity an object can reach when accelerating in a non-vacuum medium, for example atmosphere or fluid.

Ahh! Learn something new every day!

... Shepard('s body) can't really travel towards Alchera's atmosphere at that speed after that explosion, though - or can it? What'd be the terminal velocity of Shepard?

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

guys... i think i just had a lightbulb moment. What if the Crucible's design is based on the mass accelerator that struck Klendagon?

And starchild wants to take revenge for it.