[quote]MissOuJ wrote...
[quote]excelon wrote...
[quote]byne wrote...
[quote]MaximizedAction wrote...
Also: the writers had to introduce the Lazarus project to justify Shepard being 'revived' after reentry+planetary impact IN a somewhat covering suit. According to the literal interpretation, Shepard was basically in his undershirt.
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They even specifically go out of their way to tell you (via the recordings on Cronos Station) that the only reason they could bring Shep back in ME2 at all was because her brain was protected by her helmet.
You'll recall she had no helmet at the end.
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I think he would have disintegrated.
I know for a fact that entering the atmosphere, temperatures get close to 20,000K which is more than enough to melt steel or disintigrate all of shepard. He would have definitely been gone if they stuck to true Physics. But then again it is a video game.[/quote]
Disclaimer: I only did physics 101, so I'm speaking with very good authority here...
Isn't that assuming the planet Shepard crashed on has similar gravity + atmosphere to Earth? Maybe it was a smaller plannet with less dense atmosphere.
Don't get me wrong, surviving that would still be impossible (and it was - without the Lazarus Project s/he'd be dead for sure).
Maybe the Crash Site DLC helmet was a small error in continuity? Having Shepard literally fall from the sky into a planet and survive would be a way,
way bigger error.
EDIT Went to check the crash planet's atm. pressure and mass (because I have nothing better to do on a Friday night, don't judge me): bigger mass than Earth, ~0.8 atm. pressure. So Shepard actually crashing on the planet is pure bull****.
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Point the first; Shepard had kinetic barriers, to keep parts from being ripped off by in atomsphere collisions,
Point the second; Shepard had hardened, ablative, heat-shielded armor, designed to boil away on contact with extreme heat. It also likely has LIMITED rad protection, to allow EVA on ships and planets, it IS a space suit after all, just not a hazmat suit.
Point the third, Shepard was still badly burned and every blood vessel in his body was ruptured, in addition to death by hypoxia and explosive decompression (which, assuming his suit was pressurized, still could be avoided depending on how long he was exposed to vacuum, but either way, it was the rubber flexible seals that were ruptured, not the ablative armor plating itself.)
Point the fourth: The planet had less gravity and a thinner atmosphere than Earth, about 4/5ths on both counts.
Point the fifth, the only intact part of Shepard was his brain, which was saved from destruction and concussion by a memory foam padded helmet, which held up admiralbly well, and the fact that a present atmosphere meant Shepard was only accelerating to terminal velocity.
As for why the helmet got left behind, I am of the camp that says "Shadow Broker got there first, flunkies rip off helmet to get facial confirmation that 'Yes it is Shepard'."
Likely the only thing with ANY shape to it would be Shepard's skull, which would be badly fractured, necessitating reconstructive surgurey, with the brain likely being desisicated and freeze dried in it's own case, the cerebrospinal fluid long having drained out.
And also, we doo see a brief shot of Shepar'ds body in x-ray on the loading screen, every bone in his body shattered and fractured, some peices missing, I doubt he would have flown apart, his armor would have done a great deal to keep him together, though it likely would have ripped quite a few of his ligaments.
Really the biggest stumbling blocks Cerberus would have had to deal with would have been hypoxic brain injuries, possibily reperfusion injuries and possible concussions, which would have been lessened by his helmet.
In other words Shepard had the best possible suitation, and Shep STILL ended up deader than dead. And considering all the numbers being crunched add up, it proves the point that A) Bioware IS clever enough to do stuff like this, and
. When it comes to physics, they know their ****.
Y'know in hindsight, it all sounds pretty gruesome really. Shepard would have been pretty well reduced to, I beleive the phrase was "tubes and meat".
[quote]byne wrote...
[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...
[quote]byne wrote...
[quote]MissOuJ wrote...
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness?
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I don't know, being shot to the gut by your ex-boss who you currently out-rank while trying to do your duty might make you say things you don't really mean.
Gut wounds are a *****.
But seriously. Shilelds down when in open conflict? Rookey mistake.
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Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.
Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.[/quote]
No, Shep still outranks Ashley, Shep is Commander, Ash only Lieutenant-Commander.[/quote]
Except, according to the codex, just 'Commander' isnt a rank[/quote]
Perhaps "Commander" is short for "Staff Commander" or perhaps it's an interim rank, granted only by Shepard's N7 rating, which marks him as a suprelative leader, as far as the Alliance is concerned.
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[quote]Unschuld wrote...
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
To be fair, if I was interested in a serious relationship with someone, and their only offer was a threesome with another girl, I would be disappointed. Maybe not offended, but disappointed. As a red blooded male, I'd still participate of course, resulting in emotional trauma, but eh, what can you do?
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This.
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[quote]MaximizedAction wrote...
double this.
That's just how the male mind works.
Disappointing? Yes, but the priiiize...
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Thanks, glad I'm not the only one who would feel that way.
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Thirded. I'm probably very strange in the fact that I am a man who has more ROMANTIC fantasies than sexual ones. I hate being single. It's so ****ing lonley.
[quote]MissOuJ wrote...
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
The best one is the low-friendship Ashley death, where she says something like "I hope the Reapers send you to hell!" as she dies.
Really, Ashley? Really?
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Really?
*checking YouTube*
OMG! It's so weird, first the angle makes it almost look like she's smiling (creepy) and then she snarls her line and dies.
Well, she's always been a bit of a hard-***, hasn't she?
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Well she IS named for the man who replaced his hand with a chainsaw, and coined the word "boomstick"
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
[quote]MissOuJ wrote...
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
The best one is the low-friendship Ashley death, where she says something like "I hope the Reapers send you to hell!" as she dies.
Really, Ashley? Really?
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Really?
*checking YouTube*
OMG! It's so weird, first the angle makes it almost look like she's smiling (creepy) and then she snarls her line and dies.
Well, she's always been a bit of a hard-***, hasn't she?
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Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness?
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You've been betrayed and murdered by someone who "wears the face" of either your former lover, or close friend, I don't doubt most people would try to spit the most hurtful thing possible at them in their death.
[quote]Helios969 wrote...
I just have a question to all the IDT people. What makes you think that BW is going to provide you with the closure you believe is coming. I mean the only press release I've seen on the EC DLC is that it's gonna provide more cutscenes and address (or some of) the litany of unanswered questions. It didn't sound like there'd be any further gameplay. So what, Sheppard breaks free of ID, the Reapers go home, the end. I just don't get how that satisfies.[/quote]
*sigh* read this;
http://social.biowar.../index/12095313 [quote]byne wrote...
[quote]MissOuJ wrote...
[quote]HellishFiend wrote...
Indeed. Saying she hopes Shepard dies to the reapers is over-the-top, though. She'd doom the entire galaxy just to satisfy her vindictiveness?
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I don't know, being shot to the gut by your ex-boss who you currently out-rank while trying to do your duty might make you say things you don't really mean.
Gut wounds are a *****.
But seriously. Shilelds down when in open conflict? Rookey mistake.
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Ash doesnt outrank Shep, she's the same rank.
Always annoyed me that Ash and Kaidan got multiple promotions but Shep never got a single one.
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Well, he was dead for two years, AWOL for another, and they weren't.
[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...
Another line from Ashley in the Udina conflict:
Shep: "I'm on your side, but I need you to believe in me. Like you used to."
Ashley: "Maybe it's not time to give up on you yet."
Sounds much like there were suggestions in play, also the wording is quite weird... "not time [...] yet."[/quote]
"Manipluating them into betraying friends, trusting enemies..."
[quote]MissOuJ wrote...
[quote]byne wrote...
[quote]GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Do you guys think the EC will shed light on the origin of the reapers and their motives? [/quote]
I kinda hope not, to be honest.
I always liked the Reapers when they were just an unstoppable force that we could not possibly comprehend.
Learning more about them would take away from that.
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Exactly. That's how psychological horror works: make it mysterious and lethal = scary. Take away the mystery = not so scary anymore.
As for the motives: I always thought that they just wanted to renew themselves with the new DNA from the harvested species so they can stay on top of the Galactic food chain in case something more powerful comes along. Rurthless self-persevation. I'm not buying any of the "we're doing it for your own good!" explanation.
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My theory can be found here;
http://social.biowar...12095388-1.html [quote]byne wrote...
[quote]GethPrimeMKII wrote...
That didnt work out like planned. Droid phones truly suck. What I wanted to say was, arent you at least a little curious about the reapers' origin?[/quote]
I personally doubt even the Reapers actually know. I figure the cycles have been going on so long, the original Reapers will have been destroyed by now.
Its like that experiment where they put a banana at the top of a ladder and then put 5 monkeys into the room with it.
Every time one of the monkeys went for the banana they all got sprayed with cold water, until eventually none of them ever tried to go for it.
Eventually they replaced one of the monkeys with a new one. Whenever it tried to go for the banana the other monkeys attacked him, not wanting to be sprayed. He eventually stopped going for the banana too.
They then replaced yet another of the original monkeys with a new one. When it tried going for the banana, all the monkeys attacked it, including the one who hadnt been sprayed.
They repeated this until no monkeys in the group had ever been sprayed, but they all knew to stay the **** away from the banana, and to attack any new monkey who tried to get it.
The reapers are kind of like those monkeys.
They know they have to kill organics every 50,000 years, but they dont exactly know why.
They just do it because thats the way its always been.
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That's a possibility, and not a bad one, but they did say that Reapers rarely take any capital ship losses in a cycle, even 5 is a loss they can't afford. Hence all their tactics, to make the possible danger to the fleet as minimal as possible.
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*snip*
Here's that cut dialogue put to screenshots:
http://i.imgur.com/Q9DmN.jpg [/quote]
Why would they cut that scene!? That's a great scene! I hope they put it back in in the EC.
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*snip*
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That scene is really touching and actually makes me like Ashley a little more. But I understand why they cut it, what with the religious implications.
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Why? Simplest interpretation for the religious is "Well, if there is an afterlife, God ain't telling Shepard."
[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...
*snip*
It may matter to you but, if my wife died and came back but was some copy, I'd just be glad to have her back if the copy was close enough. It's just human nature, I think, to want that person to be the one you loved even if you know they might not be the exact individual you once spent time with.
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Another way to think about it. Are YOU the same person you were 20 years ago?
[quote]byne wrote...
[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...
No, they can hold in oxygen or at least some atmosphere. Joker is behind one in the cockpit at the beginning of ME2 during the collector attack. It's the only thing keeping him from being exposed to vaccum.
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I thought he also had that snazzy little breathmask
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That's likely there to A). let him move about if need be, or as protection if the barrier drops, and
. ensure he's flying with a head that's all there, since I highly doubt there was alot of oxygen caught by that barrier, and Joker would want to keep his head in the game.
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[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...
guys... i think i just had a lightbulb moment. What if the Crucible's design is based on the mass accelerator that struck Klendagon?[/quote]
And starchild wants to take revenge for it.[/quote]
Raistlin has bandied about the idea that the Crucible is meant to make the Catalyst into a massive mass accelerator cannon.
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