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[paxxton]

I tell you what, the Reaper War is not over cause we haven't defeated a single Reaper in ME3. Destroyers are cheap imitations.

EDIT: First post on page!

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...


Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

the red dust is actually there becausemars is heavy in iron.... its "rusting" in a sense.  


sorry, had to correct this. couldnt help myself. 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 25 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...


Yes, it has been established that it's possible Shepard's body made it to Alchera in good enough shape for Cerberus to put him together again.

However, using this as proof that Shep could do it again in ME3 without a helmet, in a badly damaged suit and reenter the Earth's atmophere after the Crucible blast and survive doesn't really hold. And like I said a couple pages ago: for me, that's the strongest point IT has on its favour.

Unless someone can prove otherwise, I don't think there's any other theory that can explain how Shep ended up in that rubble breathing if what happened after Harbinger's beam hit him physically happened (ie not hallusination/indoctrination). Granted, it's possible it's a non-canonical ending, but then, why put it on the disk? It could be also some other N7 soldier on Earth - that's not really outside the realm of possibility - but then why'd they show it? Or it could be a massive plot hole, which (if they actually check their physics this rigoriously) would be just laughable.

And, why do both the official guide book and the end-game save imply it's possible for Shepard to survive?

It's not some other N7 soldier. The dogtags given to you by Anderson on Shepard's person, and shepard's voice prove it is Shepard. The only explanation Literalists can come up with is a) it's just an Easter Egg he's on the citadel.

With a) it's like " why would that be an Easter Egg? What is the point?" To which there is little to reply.
Of course when you explain the implications of they kind of go " Well... uh.... um...."

Arent the video files of the breath scene named something like "ShepAlive" as well?

yeah forgot that part. That's true too.

[BatmanTurian]

[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

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the red dust is actually there becausemars is heavy in iron.... its "rusting" in a sense.  
sorry, had to correct this. couldnt help myself. [/quote]

EponyX3 wrote that, not me.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 10:49 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Lol. We're still arguing over the physics of entering earth's atmosphere?

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

I tell you what, the Reaper War is not over cause we haven't defeated a single Reaper in ME3. Destroyers are cheap imitations.

EDIT: First post on page!

Rannoch wasn't a destroyer.

[BatmanTurian]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Lol. We're still arguing over the physics of entering earth's atmosphere?

No just establishing a baseline to strengthen that part of IT

[llbountyhunter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Side note.

Did you guys know that the gash on Mars was likely done by a moon or small proto planet? This is where the red dust comes from. Mars is actually dusted by red powder that's foreign to it. Interesting huh?

the red dust is actually there becausemars is heavy in iron.... its "rusting" in a sense.  
sorry, had to correct this. couldnt help myself. 

EponyX3 wrote that, not me.

oh, sorry

fixed: I tried to shrink the text wall, but failed. 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 25 mai 2012 - 10:52 .

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I tell you what, the Reaper War is not over cause we haven't defeated a single Reaper in ME3. Destroyers are cheap imitations.

EDIT: First post on page!

Rannoch wasn't a destroyer.

On the contrary. It wasn't a capital ship.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 10:52 .

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I tell you what, the Reaper War is not over cause we haven't defeated a single Reaper in ME3. Destroyers are cheap imitations.

EDIT: First post on page!

Rannoch wasn't a destroyer.

On the contrary. It wasn't a capital ship.

ah crap, you're right. my bad. just rewatched the fight on youtube. I don't replay the game as often as you guys.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I tell you what, the Reaper War is not over cause we haven't defeated a single Reaper in ME3. Destroyers are cheap imitations.

EDIT: First post on page!

Rannoch wasn't a destroyer.

Yes it was.

[GethPrimeMKII]

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Lol. We're still arguing over the physics of entering earth's atmosphere?

No just establishing a baseline to strengthen that part of IT

I always thought the impossible phsyics behind surviving the citadel explosion, and appearing on earth, was among the strongest pieces of evidence presented by IT

[paxxton]

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

[BatmanTurian]

http://social.biowar...3712/5#12238421

get a load of this

Mobius-Silent : "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"

This is OOC and "word of god" hence anything that contradicts this information is AU fanfiction, like I.T. "

Wtf. Word of god, my cloaca.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 10:58 .

[BatmanTurian]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Lol. We're still arguing over the physics of entering earth's atmosphere?

No just establishing a baseline to strengthen that part of IT

I always thought the impossible phsyics behind surviving the citadel explosion, and appearing on earth, was among the strongest pieces of evidence presented by IT

Yeah but you still have literalist zombies (no offense EponyX3) spouting the endings are real. It's tiresome at this point. This is the strongest proof and hardest to refute, but it's never touched.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

We see a few get chunked in the opening salvo of the Siege of Earth.

[Arian Dynas]

BatmanTurian wrote...

http://social.biowar...3712/5#12238421

get a load of this

Mobius-Silent : "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"

This is OOC and "word of god" hence anything that contradicts this information is AU fanfiction, like I.T. "

Wtf. Word of god, my cloaca.

...

 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 25 mai 2012 - 11:03 .

[paxxton]

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

We see a few get chunked in the opening salvo of the Siege of Earth.

I saw only one chunked. And still it managed to fire.
Explosions on other Reapers were inconclusive.

Still it was a cutscene, it didn't feel like the destruction was impacted by Shepard's actions.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 11:10 .

[BatmanTurian]

does Parabolee handle the question of why there is a critical mission failure if you don't make a choice fast enough? Because that's the new ****** in our armor they're trying to pierce.

[blooregard]

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

We see a few get chunked in the opening salvo of the Siege of Earth.

I saw only one chunked. And still it managed to fire.
Explosions on other Reapers were inconclusive.

Still it was a cutscene, it didn't feel like the destruction was impacted by Shepard's actions.

Anyone else wonder what happened to the Reaper "tenticle beam" Sovereign had?

[paxxton]

blooregard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

We see a few get chunked in the opening salvo of the Siege of Earth.

I saw only one chunked. And still it managed to fire.
Explosions on other Reapers were inconclusive.

Still it was a cutscene, it didn't feel like the destruction was impacted by Shepard's actions.

Anyone else wonder what happened to the Reaper "tenticle beam" Sovereign had?

Which?

[MaximizedAction]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

His
gravitational mass is not dense enough to reenter the atmosphere, no
human body has enough mass to unless shot at terminal velocity, instead
his body re-entered the upper layers of the planets atmosphere and he
orbited the planet's own gravitational well.

Come on guys, this is Astronomy 101 here.

Can somebody with more mathematical talent back this up? I'm just a liberal arts major.

Acceleration is independent of mass when dealing with gravity... shouldn't he be able to reach terminal velocity whatever his mass?

Yeah, I'm not an (aeronautic) engineer but from a pure physics standpoint, in order for Shepard to remain in a constant orbit around the planet would demand two of the following: his body surface being zero, thus having no friction with the atmo, or having engines that kept correcting his altitude (remember how the ISS has to do that from time to time to stay in orbit?), OR, him having a lower density than the atmo density on the planet's surface.

All three things make no sense (from idealised physics).
Or maybe I'm missing something, that I shouldn't.
But it's my understanding, that if you'd have Shepard (with initial velocity=0) slowly accelerating towards the planet (without his body being scattered back due to too high velocity and angle, etc.), that his terminal (vertical) velocity would still be greater than 0, hence having him fall down and reach the surface at some point (even with atmospheric winds him back and forth, etc.)

Him burning up or not depends in the terminal velocity he'd reach.

TL;DR: Shep can enter the atmosphere? I think yes. Does he have to burn up? Not necessarily, that depends on his terminal velocity.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 mai 2012 - 11:23 .

[blooregard]

paxxton wrote...

blooregard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

We see a few get chunked in the opening salvo of the Siege of Earth.

I saw only one chunked. And still it managed to fire.
Explosions on other Reapers were inconclusive.

Still it was a cutscene, it didn't feel like the destruction was impacted by Shepard's actions.

Anyone else wonder what happened to the Reaper "tenticle beam" Sovereign had?

Which?

While Sovereign was taking control of the Citadel he fired his weapons out of his tenticles instead of from an emitter on the underside.

[paxxton]

blooregard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

blooregard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

We see a few get chunked in the opening salvo of the Siege of Earth.

I saw only one chunked. And still it managed to fire.
Explosions on other Reapers were inconclusive.

Still it was a cutscene, it didn't feel like the destruction was impacted by Shepard's actions.

Anyone else wonder what happened to the Reaper "tenticle beam" Sovereign had?

Which?

While Sovereign was taking control of the Citadel he fired his weapons out of his tenticles instead of from an emitter on the underside.

Maybe it was deprecated due to high rate of malfunction during walking of the tentacles.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 mai 2012 - 11:25 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

BatmanTurian wrote...

does Parabolee handle the question of why there is a critical mission failure if you don't make a choice fast enough? Because that's the new ****** in our armor they're trying to pierce.

The way I interpret that is this way:

Its the same reasoning you can use as to why Marauder shields and the husk trio can kill shepard, or why TIM can kill Shepard. Its her dream, but even in a dream your mind makes up the rules and physics that your dream will follow based on actual experiences and information from the real world.

Shepard knows the crucible and citadel are sitting out there in the open space amidst a full scale reaper attack. It's perfectly reasonable for her to assume that the reapers will turn around and open fire on the crucible if enough time is wasted.

Does that help?