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[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, my point is still valid. No REAL Reaper has fallen in ME3.

We see a few get chunked in the opening salvo of the Siege of Earth.

With enough EMS of course.

Huh, I just watched the low EMS battle.

I kinda wish the destroyer scene was in the high EMS battle. Or maybe a variant where one of your ships saves the turian ship.

Yeah, it was jaw-dropping to see it live.

I saw it my first playthrough. It was a sloppy first for me. made a lot of mistakes. But at the time I thought this was the best it would get. I mean it's the reapers you know?

The same was for me. I did everything I could in ME1 and ME2, saved the council, lost only Thane, destroyed the Collector base and still got only about 2500 EMS. I suppose I should have done more subquests in ME3 but the journal was a real mess.

[paxxton]

Arian Dynas wrote...

 So... question. Why is it whenever I post a wall of text, I get alot of comments about it's length, but only a few people ever bother to respond to the things said in it?

 It's true isn't it? You guys only want me for the length of my posts!

You usually don't include my posts so I don't have anything to respond to.

[Xavendithas]

What's on the plate for discussion this evening?

[byne]

paxxton wrote...


The same was for me. I did everything I could in ME1 and ME2, saved the council, lost only Thane, destroyed the Collector base and still got only about 2500 EMS. I suppose I should have done more subquests in ME3 but the journal was a real mess.

How'd you lose Thane?

I lost Legion because when I sent him through the pipes, Miranda told me the second team leader needed to be able to command loyalty through experience, and Samara's description on the choice menu stated she had centuries of experience, so I picked her.

Losing Legion because she misled me is the reason I never again listened to Miranda, which proved to be a valuable lesson when choosing who to hold the bubble. She was all "I can totally do it," but she had caused me to lose my robot buddy. There'd be no more listening to her that day.

Modifié par byne, 26 mai 2012 - 01:10 .

[DJBare]

Found another possible view to match Shepard's hallucination, just a reminder, I'm talking about the view with the single control panel.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...


The same was for me. I did everything I could in ME1 and ME2, saved the council, lost only Thane, destroyed the Collector base and still got only about 2500 EMS. I suppose I should have done more subquests in ME3 but the journal was a real mess.

How'd you lose Thane?

I lost Legion because when I sent him through the pipes, Miranda told me the second team leader needed to be able to command loyalty through experience, and Sarama's description on the choice menu stated she had centuries of experience, so I picked her.

Losing Legion because she misled me is the reason I never again listened to Miranda, which proved to be a valuable lesson when choosing who to hold the bubble. She was all "I can totally do it," but she had caused me to lose my robot buddy. There'd be no more listening to her that day.

I put him in charge of the second team while Jack was protecting me from seeker swarms. Anyway, I managed to save the Salarian Councilor because Kirrahe was still alive.

Well, on my first ME2 playthrough I managed to lose half of my crew. I don't know how it happened. 

[Xavendithas]

Xavendithas wrote...

What's on the plate for discussion this evening?

Any takers?

I'm still about 50 pages back.

[paxxton]

Xavendithas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

What's on the plate for discussion this evening?

Any takers?

I'm still about 50 pages back.

Atmospheric impact in the context of Newtonian Mechanics and Differential approach to Gravitational Fields. Seriously, we discussed this today.

[byne]

Xavendithas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

What's on the plate for discussion this evening?

Any takers?

I'm still about 50 pages back.

Well we discussed whether Shepard ever actually landed on Alchera after the Normandy blew up in ME2 for like 10 pages.

Edit: I just remembered we also discussed whether the Citadel is the same gun that shot down the derelict Reaper, and whether the protheans caused the gash on Mars.

Modifié par byne, 26 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[Xavendithas]

paxxton wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

What's on the plate for discussion this evening?

Any takers?

I'm still about 50 pages back.

Atmospheric impact in the context of Newtonian Mechanics and Differential approach to Gravitational Fields. Seriously, we discussed this today.

Haha...wtf. In relation to? Are we back to Shepard somehow surviving the fall to Earth from the Citadel?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...


The same was for me. I did everything I could in ME1 and ME2, saved the council, lost only Thane, destroyed the Collector base and still got only about 2500 EMS. I suppose I should have done more subquests in ME3 but the journal was a real mess.

How'd you lose Thane?

I lost Legion because when I sent him through the pipes, Miranda told me the second team leader needed to be able to command loyalty through experience, and Sarama's description on the choice menu stated she had centuries of experience, so I picked her.

Losing Legion because she misled me is the reason I never again listened to Miranda, which proved to be a valuable lesson when choosing who to hold the bubble. She was all "I can totally do it," but she had caused me to lose my robot buddy. There'd be no more listening to her that day.

I put him in charge of the second team while Jack was protecting me from seeker swarms. Anyway, I managed to save the Salarian Councilor because Kirrahe was still alive.

Well, on my first ME2 playthrough I managed to lose half of my crew. I don't know how it happened. 

Friend of mine recently got around to doing the Suicide Mission for the first time, lost people in spite of my advice. Thought it was pretty straight forward my first attempt: Tali for the pipe (or Legion I found out later) Miranda for team leader, Samara for bubble, Miranda for second team leader. Didn't know to send Mordin back  just in case but he managed not to die for a good 6 playthroughs of the final mission.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

What's on the plate for discussion this evening?

Any takers?

I'm still about 50 pages back.

Well we discussed whether Shepard ever actually landed on Alchera after the Normandy blew up in ME2 for like 10 pages.

Yes, basically this is what I meant.

[TSA_383]

Quick question, this is something that's been bothering me, although I've missed most of the last 100-ish pages so someone has probably brought it up:

On Rannoch, Shepard speaks to the reaper destroyer... Wait... Every time we've ever spoken to a reaper in the series it's been through a VI or such, since the actual language of the reapers isn't understood by organics.
At least, it's not understood, except that being able to understand reaper language is
an early side-effect of the indoctrination process.
I always found the Rannoch scene a little odd, particularly in that Tali/Legion weren't present during Shepard's exchange with the reaper. Does anyone have any thoughts on this point?

MaximizedAction wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

His
gravitational mass is not dense enough to reenter the atmosphere, no
human body has enough mass to unless shot at terminal velocity, instead
his body re-entered the upper layers of the planets atmosphere and he
orbited the planet's own gravitational well.

Come on guys, this is Astronomy 101 here.

Can somebody with more mathematical talent back this up? I'm just a liberal arts major.

Acceleration is independent of mass when dealing with gravity... shouldn't he be able to reach terminal velocity whatever his mass?

Yeah, I'm not an (aeronautic) engineer but from a pure physics standpoint, in order for Shepard to remain in a constant orbit around the planet would demand two of the following: his body surface being zero, thus having no friction with the atmo, or having engines that kept correcting his altitude (remember how the ISS has to do that from time to time to stay in orbit?), OR, him having a lower density than the atmo density on the planet's surface.

All three things make no sense (from idealised physics).
Or maybe I'm missing something, that I shouldn't.
But it's my understanding, that if you'd have Shepard (with initial velocity=0) slowly accelerating towards the planet (without his body being scattered back due to too high velocity and angle, etc.), that his terminal (vertical) velocity would still be greater than 0, hence having him fall down and reach the surface at some point (even with atmospheric winds him back and forth, etc.)

Him burning up or not depends in the terminal velocity he'd reach.

TL;DR: Shep can enter the atmosphere? I think yes. Does he have to burn up? Not necessarily, that depends on his terminal velocity.

AeroEng student here
Can he enter the atmosphere - from an aero perspective yes of course!
To be honest though re-entry is likely the smaller issue, I doubt the temperature resulting from non-powered re-entry from low orbit would exceed the temperature resulting from being at the epicentre of a megaton or more explosion


By the way guys, has anything happened in the last 30 pages I should be aware of?

Modifié par TSA_383, 26 mai 2012 - 01:24 .

[byne]

TSA_383 wrote...

Quick question, this is something that's been bothering me, although I've missed most of the last 100-ish pages so someone has probably brought it up:

On Rannoch, Shepard speaks to the reaper destroyer... Wait... Every time we've ever spoken to a reaper in the series it's been through a VI or such, since the actual language of the reapers isn't understood by organics.
At least, it's not understood, except that being able to understand reaper language is
an early side-effect of the indoctrination process.
I always found the Rannoch scene a little odd, particularly in that Tali/Legion weren't present during Shepard's exchange with the reaper. Does anyone have any thoughts on this point?

I also always found that weird.

I also find it weird that EDI tells me the destroyer is in range of the Thanix Missiles on Rannoch.

Theres no Thanix Missiles there.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

 So... question. Why is it whenever I post a wall of text, I get alot of comments about it's length, but only a few people ever bother to respond to the things said in it?

 It's true isn't it? You guys only want me for the length of my posts!

You should learn a thing or two from Garrus. Learn to be ok with it!

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...


The same was for me. I did everything I could in ME1 and ME2, saved the council, lost only Thane, destroyed the Collector base and still got only about 2500 EMS. I suppose I should have done more subquests in ME3 but the journal was a real mess.

How'd you lose Thane?

I lost Legion because when I sent him through the pipes, Miranda told me the second team leader needed to be able to command loyalty through experience, and Samara's description on the choice menu stated she had centuries of experience, so I picked her.

Losing Legion because she misled me is the reason I never again listened to Miranda, which proved to be a valuable lesson when choosing who to hold the bubble. She was all "I can totally do it," but she had caused me to lose my robot buddy. There'd be no more listening to her that day.

You lost Legion???? How could you?

Anyway I lost Jack...and I was ok with that. I edited her back in for ME3 on my third playthrough.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Quick question, this is something that's been bothering me, although I've missed most of the last 100-ish pages so someone has probably brought it up:

On Rannoch, Shepard speaks to the reaper destroyer... Wait... Every time we've ever spoken to a reaper in the series it's been through a VI or such, since the actual language of the reapers isn't understood by organics.
At least, it's not understood, except that being able to understand reaper language is
an early side-effect of the indoctrination process.
I always found the Rannoch scene a little odd, particularly in that Tali/Legion weren't present during Shepard's exchange with the reaper. Does anyone have any thoughts on this point?

I also always found that weird.

I also find it weird that EDI tells me the destroyer is in range of the Thanix Missiles on Rannoch.

Theres no Thanix Missiles there.

And they are in London! Could London be a visual hallucination then? On Rannoch Thanix Missiles were merely an audio hallucination (through EDI's voice, the same voice you hear in London by the missile launchers) because Shepard was still in an early stage of indoctrination.

Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 01:42 .

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...


You lost Legion???? How could you?

Exactly how I felt!

'Tis why Miranda permanently fell out of my good graces. She killed Legion, as far as I'm concerned.

[Xavendithas]

I wanted to ask something that I tossed out there a couple of days ago, but it just got lost in the shuffle.

Playing through Mass Effect 1 again, specifically the Noveria mission I noticed something in some dialogue that I had previously missed. It's from the conversation with the Rachni Queen.

Shepard: 'Are you a survivor from the war? A clone?

Rachni Queen: 'We do not know. We were only an egg, hearing Mother cry in our
dreams. A tone from space hushed one voice after another. It forced the
singers to resonate with it's own sour yellow note.'

I am interpreting this as Harbinger's influence on the Rachni during the current cycle. Do the books/comics/games mention anywhere whether Harbinger has been more influential in the current cycle before ME2 and the Collectors?

Modifié par Xavendithas, 26 mai 2012 - 01:45 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Gravity effecting ones' re-entry would most certainly cause excessive temperatures.

The object in question that is falling back to earth, starts out in space(no atmosphere), then as speed increases the proximity to the planet decreases, causing higher gravitational pull, hence the re-entry friction, once atmosphere is encountered.

Re-entry can become upwards of 25,000 miles per hour, before encountering any atmosphere.

Once atmosphere is encountered, that's when friction starts to create heat build-up, and only extremely large, or high mass, will *survive* re-entry. Not 'live' through, but enough mass might remain for identification purposes.

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


You lost Legion???? How could you?

Exactly how I felt!

'Tis why Miranda permanently fell out of my good graces. She killed Legion, as far as I'm concerned.

[DJBare]

A thought crossed my mind that made me smile, I've noted that more folk are coming around to the idea of I.T as we continue to move forward, the part that made me smile, it's another form of indoctrination "getting people to see things your way".

Oh and Shepard has been indoctrinating people through three games, think about it.

[TSA_383]

ohupthis wrote...

Gravity effecting ones' re-entry would most certainly cause excessive temperatures.

The object in question that is falling back to earth, starts out in space(no atmosphere), then as speed increases the proximity to the planet decreases, causing higher gravitational pull, hence the re-entry friction, once atmosphere is encountered.

Re-entry can become upwards of 25,000 miles per hour, before encountering any atmosphere.

Once atmosphere is encountered, that's when friction starts to create heat build-up, and only extremely large, or high mass, will *survive* re-entry. Not 'live' through, but enough mass might remain for identification purposes.

25000mph? Not from the altitudes we're looking at here

Regardless though, at this point there's not much to argue about - re-entry really isn't a survivable prospect...

Xavendithas wrote...

I wanted to ask something that I tossed out there a couple of days ago, but it just got lost in the shuffle.

Playing
through Mass Effect 1 again, specifically the Noveria mission I noticed
something in some dialogue that I had previously missed. It's from the
conversation with the Rachni Queen.

Shepard: 'Are you a survivor from the war? A clone?

Rachni Queen: 'We do not know. We were only an egg, hearing Mother cry in our
dreams. A tone from space hushed one voice after another. It forced the
singers to resonate with it's own sour yellow note.'

I
am interpreting this as Harbinger's influence on the Rachni during the
current cycle. Do the books/comics/games mention anywhere whether
Harbinger has been more influential in the current cycle before ME2 and
the Collectors?

Saw your post before and, whilst plausible, I don't know of anything else we could use to work out whether they were referring to Harbinger one way or another...

DJBare wrote...

A thought crossed my mind that made me
smile, I've noted that more folk are coming around to the idea of I.T as
we continue to move forward, the part that made me smile, it's another
form of indoctrination "getting people to see things your way".

Oh and Shepard has been indoctrinating people through three games, think about it.

There's almost not an argument anymore, we're winning the poll on the HTL forums with more than 80% of the votes

Modifié par TSA_383, 26 mai 2012 - 01:55 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


You lost Legion???? How could you?

Exactly how I felt!

'Tis why Miranda permanently fell out of my good graces. She killed Legion, as far as I'm concerned.

That damn cerberus chearleading Bosh'tet....

[EpyonX3]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


You lost Legion???? How could you?

Exactly how I felt!

'Tis why Miranda permanently fell out of my good graces. She killed Legion, as far as I'm concerned.

makes me sadder.