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TSA_383 wrote...
Saw your post before and, whilst plausible, I don't know of anything else we could use to work out whether they were referring to Harbinger one way or another...
Yes, I put that idea forward a few days ago. Fundemantally, the game wants us to think that destroying the Reapers is the only correct way to defeat them. And by gathering the galaxy's forces together in one place Shepard is doing exactly what the Reapers want him to do.DJBare wrote...
A thought crossed my mind that made me smile, I've noted that more folk are coming around to the idea of I.T as we continue to move forward, the part that made me smile, it's another form of indoctrination "getting people to see things your way".
Oh and Shepard has been indoctrinating people through three games, think about it.
Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 01:59 .
lex0r11 wrote...
byne wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
You lost Legion???? How could you?
Exactly how I felt!
'Tis why Miranda permanently fell out of my good graces. She killed Legion, as far as I'm concerned.
paxxton wrote...
Yes, I put that idea forward a few days ago. Fundemantally, the game wants us to think that destroying the Reapers is the only correct way to defeat them. And by gathering the galaxy's forces together in one place Shepard is doing exactly what the Reapers want him to do.DJBare wrote...
A thought crossed my mind that made me smile, I've noted that more folk are coming around to the idea of I.T as we continue to move forward, the part that made me smile, it's another form of indoctrination "getting people to see things your way".
Oh and Shepard has been indoctrinating people through three games, think about it.
As someone else said, since geth are purely software, then they are nothing but souls, the platforms are just tools.byne wrote...
That unit definitely has soul.
*sniff*
Furthermore, planting the Crucible as a savior weapon (the last hope) allows the Reapers to persuade other races to gather around Shepard and Earth. Turians almost abandon Palaven to protect the Crucible. Other races gather ground troops on Earth and fleets in space too.paxxton wrote...
Yes, I put that idea forward a few days ago. Fundemantally, the game wants us to think that destroying the Reapers is the only correct way to defeat them. And by gathering the galaxy's forces together in one place Shepard is doing exactly what the Reapers want him to do.DJBare wrote...
A thought crossed my mind that made me smile, I've noted that more folk are coming around to the idea of I.T as we continue to move forward, the part that made me smile, it's another form of indoctrination "getting people to see things your way".
Oh and Shepard has been indoctrinating people through three games, think about it.
Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 02:12 .
Modifié par D.Sharrah, 26 mai 2012 - 02:14 .
In my case it's a matter of giving incorrect tasks to incorrect people during the Suicide Mission cause I have most of the subquests and all loyalty missions done.D.Sharrah wrote...
I am a completionist...I can't make myself not to all teh side quests...which subsequently makes it really hard to lose anyone on the suicide mission - I mean I have to ry to kill people.
Even my first playthrough for ME 2, I didn't lose a soul...used Tali for the pipes (pretty much every time, unless I am trying to get someone killed), used Garrus as the second lead both times (my Shep always trusted that Turian could get the job done, despite what happened on Omega), used Samara for the bubble (the only playthrough I haven't done this was when I sided w/Morinth (still can't believe that I did that) and then I used her)...used Mordrin as the escort (all but once, when I used Zaeed and still didn't lose anyone), and I usually take Miranda and Kasumi with me in the squad.
Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 02:15 .
Omega is the real Crucible or the Catalyst. Or the Crucible and Omega act like like plus and minus in a battery.D.Sharrah wrote...
Getting back to the Citadel is the weapon...the crucible the missing piece to make it work...TIM discovered this when the scientists found the "defunct" weapon that caused the Klendagon Rift...but, if all this is true - then just what is TIM's interest in Omega?
Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 02:24 .
paxxton wrote...
In my case it's a matter of giving incorrect tasks to incorrect people during the Suicide Mission cause I have most of the subquests and all loyalty missions done.D.Sharrah wrote...
I am a completionist...I can't make myself not to all teh side quests...which subsequently makes it really hard to lose anyone on the suicide mission - I mean I have to ry to kill people.
Even my first playthrough for ME 2, I didn't lose a soul...used Tali for the pipes (pretty much every time, unless I am trying to get someone killed), used Garrus as the second lead both times (my Shep always trusted that Turian could get the job done, despite what happened on Omega), used Samara for the bubble (the only playthrough I haven't done this was when I sided w/Morinth (still can't believe that I did that) and then I used her)...used Mordrin as the escort (all but once, when I used Zaeed and still didn't lose anyone), and I usually take Miranda and Kasumi with me in the squad.
Fingertrip wrote...
You still know what kind of sucks? Regardless of the content and quality of EC, Legion, Thane and Mordin(Well, for alot of people) will still remain dead.
Dayum shame, three of my favorites.I'd be more down with everyone going out with a bang instead, alá Mass Effect 2 style, heck I'd find it more appropiate having people being written off in one way or another in the conclussion. Maybe that would still be the case, who knows- I'd just prefer having the opportunity to see squad mates falter in the end, more dramatic if you ask me.
Legion & Mordin really sucks knowing their gone, permamently.
Modifié par D.Sharrah, 26 mai 2012 - 02:33 .
Big Bad wrote...
Hi All,
Been lurking today, but I just wanted to pop in and say that I will probably be playing quite a bit of PC multiplayer this weekend. , If anybody wants to play, feel free to add me as a friend (or whatever EA calls it) - my username is someotherguy86.
DJBare wrote...
Indoctrination has certainly got it's hold on me, I'm playing ME1 and at the point where I need to make a decision on whether to save the council, normally my paragon would not hesitate to save them, but thinking the council has been in a location where they themselves can become indoctrinated has got me thinking twice about it, if they are indoctrinated and signs to point to it ("ahh yes reapers, we have dismissed this claim") and they order all evidence to Sovereigns attack to be removed.
Hmm, writing that out helped me make a decision, sorry council, but you have to go.
paxxton wrote...
Omega is the real Crucible or the Catalyst. Or the Crucible and Omega act like like plus and minus in a battery.D.Sharrah wrote...
Getting back to the Citadel is the weapon...the crucible the missing piece to make it work...TIM discovered this when the scientists found the "defunct" weapon that caused the Klendagon Rift...but, if all this is true - then just what is TIM's interest in Omega?
The main point of having that choice in ME1 is to have player think about the connsequences of having an all-human Council instead of a multi-species one. Before ME2 was released it wasn't clear that the new Council wouldn't be all-human.D.Sharrah wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Indoctrination has certainly got it's hold on me, I'm playing ME1 and at the point where I need to make a decision on whether to save the council, normally my paragon would not hesitate to save them, but thinking the council has been in a location where they themselves can become indoctrinated has got me thinking twice about it, if they are indoctrinated and signs to point to it ("ahh yes reapers, we have dismissed this claim") and they order all evidence to Sovereigns attack to be removed.
Hmm, writing that out helped me make a decision, sorry council, but you have to go.
The problem with that would be that you would need to eliminate the new council at some point too...not to mention Udina (which I wouldn't cry over and you do get to do)...but if the original council is indoctrinated, then there is no reason why the new council wouldn't be.
They could somehow make dark energy flow between them through mass relays like current in a battery. Or if the current Crucible was fake, Omega would have to be retaken from Cerberus. Well, in both cases it would have to be retaken.D.Sharrah wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Omega is the real Crucible or the Catalyst. Or the Crucible and Omega act like like plus and minus in a battery.D.Sharrah wrote...
Getting back to the Citadel is the weapon...the crucible the missing piece to make it work...TIM discovered this when the scientists found the "defunct" weapon that caused the Klendagon Rift...but, if all this is true - then just what is TIM's interest in Omega?
That's a possibility...
So are you suggesting that the Crucible attached to the Citadel would cause one specific reaction and Omega attached to the Citadel the exact opposite reaction? Like one for destroy and one for control...
Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 02:47 .
paxxton wrote...
The main point of having that choice in ME1 is to have player think about the connsequences of having an all-human Council instead of a multi-species one. Before ME2 was released it wasn't clear that the new Council wouldn't be all-human.D.Sharrah wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Indoctrination has certainly got it's hold on me, I'm playing ME1 and at the point where I need to make a decision on whether to save the council, normally my paragon would not hesitate to save them, but thinking the council has been in a location where they themselves can become indoctrinated has got me thinking twice about it, if they are indoctrinated and signs to point to it ("ahh yes reapers, we have dismissed this claim") and they order all evidence to Sovereigns attack to be removed.
Hmm, writing that out helped me make a decision, sorry council, but you have to go.
The problem with that would be that you would need to eliminate the new council at some point too...not to mention Udina (which I wouldn't cry over and you do get to do)...but if the original council is indoctrinated, then there is no reason why the new council wouldn't be.
paxxton wrote...
They could somehow make dark energy flow between them through mass relays like current in a battery. Or if the current Crucible was fake, Omega would have to be retaken from Cerberus.D.Sharrah wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Omega is the real Crucible or the Catalyst. Or the Crucible and Omega act like like plus and minus in a battery.D.Sharrah wrote...
Getting back to the Citadel is the weapon...the crucible the missing piece to make it work...TIM discovered this when the scientists found the "defunct" weapon that caused the Klendagon Rift...but, if all this is true - then just what is TIM's interest in Omega?
That's a possibility...
So are you suggesting that the Crucible attached to the Citadel would cause one specific reaction and Omega attached to the Citadel the exact opposite reaction? Like one for destroy and one for control...
Yes, one way or the other the Council would be indoctrinated. I was just saying what was the original intent behind that choice (or at least what it meant to look like to a pre-ME2 player).D.Sharrah wrote...
paxxton wrote...
The main point of having that choice in ME1 is to have player think about the connsequences of having an all-human Council instead of a multi-species one. Before ME2 was released it wasn't clear that the new Council wouldn't be all-human.D.Sharrah wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Indoctrination has certainly got it's hold on me, I'm playing ME1 and at the point where I need to make a decision on whether to save the council, normally my paragon would not hesitate to save them, but thinking the council has been in a location where they themselves can become indoctrinated has got me thinking twice about it, if they are indoctrinated and signs to point to it ("ahh yes reapers, we have dismissed this claim") and they order all evidence to Sovereigns attack to be removed.
Hmm, writing that out helped me make a decision, sorry council, but you have to go.
The problem with that would be that you would need to eliminate the new council at some point too...not to mention Udina (which I wouldn't cry over and you do get to do)...but if the original council is indoctrinated, then there is no reason why the new council wouldn't be.
That's not my point...DJBare was stating (unless I understood incorrectly) that he was not going to save the council because he as the player now believes that they may be indoctrainated...in game there may be a different reason...but it is his reason as a player that I was commenting on.
With this in mind, it does not matter whether the council is all-human or not. If the first council was indoctrinated and he elimnated them because of that - it does not make sense to risk that any other council would not face the same risk (being indoctrainated) and desrve the same fate (being eliminated).
This or he could be deceived by Reaper sleeper agents. But I think there are too many unknowns about Hackett - the most suspicious to be how he survived the initial Reaper attack and didn't send word to Earth.D.Sharrah wrote...
paxxton wrote...
They could somehow make dark energy flow between them through mass relays like current in a battery. Or if the current Crucible was fake, Omega would have to be retaken from Cerberus.D.Sharrah wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Omega is the real Crucible or the Catalyst. Or the Crucible and Omega act like like plus and minus in a battery.D.Sharrah wrote...
Getting back to the Citadel is the weapon...the crucible the missing piece to make it work...TIM discovered this when the scientists found the "defunct" weapon that caused the Klendagon Rift...but, if all this is true - then just what is TIM's interest in Omega?
That's a possibility...
So are you suggesting that the Crucible attached to the Citadel would cause one specific reaction and Omega attached to the Citadel the exact opposite reaction? Like one for destroy and one for control...
I think for the bolded to be true, the "Hackett is Indoctrinated" theory would have to be true...
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