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[Munsterlander]

paxxton wrote...

Munsterlander wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Haven't played any MP...but just thought of a question for those that do...are the matches exclusive to the platform you are on?  I mean can 360 players only play w/360 players, PC players w/PC players, etc. or can you play with anyone online?  Just morbid curiosity more than anything else.

I know you said this a while ago, but I just felt I should mention you seem to have the definition a morbid curiosity wrong. Morbid curiosity is when one is curios about death. 

http://www.urbandict...orbid curiosity

Right, but (this is going to sound really hypocritical) urban dictionary isn't always correct, infact, I most often find it incorrect. So let me direct you to wikipedia (there it is) 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity. Okay, under "Contents" click Morbid curiosity. That's what I was taught "Morbid curiosity" meant.
P.S. Can we stop this, I only meant the first comment as a quick side note, I don't want to go off topic:blush:

[DJBare]

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Shepard has had the ability to indoctrinate people throughout the series.

What!?

What do you think those paragon and renegade choices are?, indoctrination is a means of convincing people to see things your way, cult leaders for example use indoctrination, the method can be friendly or forcefull, but the result is the same, getting people to follow your way of thinking.

You're using a very broad definition of indoctrination. I'm not even sure if it can be still considered as such (http://en.wikipedia....iki/Inculcation). The talks in ME are more like chit-chats than long-term targeted conditioning.

EDIT: Paragon/Renegade actions have their desired effects because the people you talk to have some prior "education" as to how they should behave in a social environment. Shepard merely utilizes this. He does not indoctrinate them.

As do the reapers, Saren as a spectre wanted order in the galaxy and would go to any lengths to achieve it, Sovereign used that, the definition of indoctrination is to find a desire the victim has and twist it, Shepard is not using magic or any tech wizardry, just pure persuasion.

As an example, Wrex is a krogan desperate to cure his people of the genophage, on Virmire a paragon Shepard convinces wrex that the army of krogan Saren is breeding are just slaves, that's the twist, does not matter whether you agree with it or not, Shepard used a twist to get Wrex's cooperation, he indoctrinated wrex into seeing things his/her way, as I said, it's not magic or tech wizardry, it's just plain knowing the desires of the people you are dealing with.

[paxxton]

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Shepard has had the ability to indoctrinate people throughout the series.

What!?

What do you think those paragon and renegade choices are?, indoctrination is a means of convincing people to see things your way, cult leaders for example use indoctrination, the method can be friendly or forcefull, but the result is the same, getting people to follow your way of thinking.

You're using a very broad definition of indoctrination. I'm not even sure if it can be still considered as such (http://en.wikipedia....iki/Inculcation). The talks in ME are more like chit-chats than long-term targeted conditioning.

EDIT: Paragon/Renegade actions have their desired effects because the people you talk to have some prior "education" as to how they should behave in a social environment. Shepard merely utilizes this. He does not indoctrinate them.

As do the reapers, Saren as a spectre wanted order in the galaxy and would go to any lengths to achieve it, Sovereign used that, the definition of indoctrination is to find a desire the victim has and twist it, Shepard is not using magic or any tech wizardry, just pure persuasion.

As an example, Wrex is a krogan desperate to cure his people of the genophage, on Virmire a paragon Shepard convinces wrex that the army of krogan Saren is breeding are just slaves, that's the twist, does not matter whether you agree with it or not, Shepard used a twist to get Wrex's cooperation, he indoctrinated wrex into seeing things his/her way, as I said, it's not magic or tech wizardry, it's just plain knowing the desires of the people you are dealing with.

This is a fascinating topic but right now I need to take a nap and can't discuss it further. I'll try to get back to it later.

Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 11:02 .

[MaximizedAction]

Arian Dynas wrote...

My dreams rarely frighten me because deep down, I ascribe to the predator school of thought. "If it bleeds, I can kill it."

Couldn't help myself: www.youtube.com/watch

[Dantexr3]

What if the game doesn't exist and we are dreaming about it? That would mean we are all indoctrinated!

[Arian Dynas]

LelianaHawke wrote...

Confusion is not the same as complete hallucination.

IT states that the endings didn't happen at all. I don't believe indoc is powerful enough to cause that complete state of hallucination, where you are transported to a completely different environment.

It is enough to believe you to act differently to what is already happening, but it can't insert a complete new reality. You can exprience things like phantasms and whispers in the background, but your environment essentially stays the same.

Indoc is more a strong suggesiton, as government leaders while indoctrinated still need to function in reality. They don't get transported to a land of unicorns and ponies.

Wrong. IT states that the endings did not happen in the way presented. Yes Shepard never left Earth, but that doesn't preclude, well say this; 
http://social.biowar.../index/12095313 

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My dreams rarely frighten me because deep down, I ascribe to the predator school of thought. "If it bleeds, I can kill it."

 

But... what if it doesn't bleed? What if it's a huge immortal machine who's only purpose in life is to kill you?

Then I take it apart, bolt by bolt. 

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Confusion is not the same as complete hallucination.

IT states that the endings didn't happen at all. I don't believe indoc is powerful enough to cause that complete state of hallucination, where you are transported to a completely different environment.

It is enough to believe you to act differently to what is already happening, but it can't insert a complete new reality. You can exprience things like phantasms and whispers in the background, but your environment essentially stays the same.

Indoc is more a strong suggesiton, as government leaders while indoctrinated still need to function in reality. They don't get transported to a land of unicorns and ponies.

Wrong. IT states that the endings did not happen in the way presented. Yes Shepard never left Earth, but that doesn't preclude, well say this; 
http://social.biowar.../index/12095313 

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My dreams rarely frighten me because deep down, I ascribe to the predator school of thought. "If it bleeds, I can kill it."

 

But... what if it doesn't bleed? What if it's a huge immortal machine who's only purpose in life is to kill you?

Then I take it apart, bolt by bolt. 

Missile Launchers solve everything....

[MegumiAzusa]

balance5050 wrote...

The banshees are showing up in every MP game right now, it's.... unsettling.

No, the right word would be "problematic".

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 So could the white reaper spotlight in this trailor be indoctrinating Coats?

 

Nah. Unless the indoctrinating electromagnetic waves are in the visible part of the EM spectrum.

A more probable course of events would be for the Reapers to capture him after the trailer and then indoctrinate.

Why capture him? Just their presence should be enough. But again seeing that the one Reaper activates its flashlight right in Coates faces but doesn't fire, no troops come up can only mean that they either plan to indoctrinate him or he already is on some level.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 26 mai 2012 - 12:42 .

[Munsterlander]

Dantexr3 wrote...

What if the game doesn't exist and we are dreaming about it? That would mean we are all indoctrinated!

What if all the quarians are indoctrinated! (Glowing eyes) 

[Bounercz]

Im not sure if it was here and if it means anything ,but http://screenshot.cz/4CRLE

Modifié par Bounercz, 26 mai 2012 - 12:48 .

[LelianaHawke]

Arian Dynas wrote...
Wrong. IT states that the endings did not happen in the way presented. Yes Shepard never left Earth, but that doesn't preclude, well say this; 
http://social.biowar.../index/12095313 
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Errr... what are you exactly saying 'Wrong' too?

I said IT says endings did not happen... you then said endings did not happen because Sheaprd never left EArth and it was a complete hallucination...

Either way we're both saying IT says endings did not happen. Which is really my main point of contention. Indoctrination is not a virtual reality game.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 26 mai 2012 - 01:02 .

[Arian Dynas]

I know it's way too damn late (goddamn, I got a Pathfinder game to run in the morning... ugh, shouldn't be staying up this late, not healthy...) Figured I would share; I have come up with a soloution for my script that I write for the collective amusement of the IDT goers.

I was stuck on the plot hole of how to deal with the "Crucible as Wild Goose Chase, but still could be workable with a vital missing lychpin component." theory (yes it's wordy, no I don't have anything pithy, shut up.)

Then I worked it out. The Reapers dabble with the Crucible plans very subtly, so very subtle that the plans actually appear entirely feasible, hence why they actually could work, with this missing component, but they make it designed (much like FTL) with a "Reaper Safety Feature" built in. The Crucible will neither activate, nor fire without a connected Reaper. And the Reaper Brain/Heart is just enough Reaper to qualify.

[Arian Dynas]

LelianaHawke wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
Wrong. IT states that the endings did not happen in the way presented. Yes Shepard never left Earth, but that doesn't preclude, well say this; 
http://social.biowar.../index/12095313 
[

Errr... what are you exactly saying 'Wrong' too?

I said IT says endings did not happen... you then said endings did not happen because Sheaprd never left EArth and it was a complete hallucination...

Either way we're both saying IT says endings did not happen. Which is really my main point of contention. Indoctrination is not a virtual reality game.

If you read the link, you'll see what I mean. My point of veiw is that the endings "happened" in that Shepard was crawling around, shooting guns with no targets, actually did decapitate a Maurader with his gun, and he certainly beleived he was on the Citadel, but the whole time, it was Earth, just with a very extremely tinted perception of reality. Basically, sonnambulism, rather than a coma style hallucination.

As for the claim that IT is NOT a ARG, what have you got that to back up with? They have every literary reason to, it's brilliant in a metagame sense. They have every financial reason to (I'll dig up a link to the thread wherein I discuss this a bit more if you like) and they have every PR reason to, since Casey Hudson himself has explicitly stated that he wants the player to experience the same emotions that Shepard does.

[Big G13]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My dreams rarely frighten me because deep down, I ascribe to the predator school of thought. "If it bleeds, I can kill it."

Couldn't help myself: www.youtube.com/watch

That absolutely made my whole day. 

[TSA_383]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Bioware better announce the release date of EC or this unit would lose its soul.

They'll probably announce it at E3, unless it comes out that day. I'm hoping it comes out early June that way they can announce what's next beyond EC. Or maybe they'll do both, who knows.

I'm not impatient but this is getting on my nerves. To much time just make a few cutscenes don't yopu think?

I would  think that about a few cutscenes, but perhaps it's more than a few . Or, they're few but Bioware is spending extra time crafting them so most of us are left satisfied.

Or...

[NoSpin]

This has little bearing on IT, but may support the idea that Bioware is planning a "second wave" of ME3 in the future. I just recently got Mass Effect:Infiltrator (Yay Android release!!), and while the writing/plot pales in comparison to the main series, it ends on a peculiar note.

Unlike the studio's previous game, Dead Space mobile (which was FANTASTIC), the plot just....ends. You're going along and then boom, out of nowhere they throw a final boss at you and the game ends. Plot seemed like it was nowhere near complete, and the last line of dialog your character says is something like "Don't worry, I'm coming for you next".

Definitely felt to me like the game was only half over, as I know this dev is capable of taking console series and making great well polished Android/iOS games. So I don't know, might lend credence to EA/Bioware asking them to cut their game in half and release the conclusion when they say (in conjunction with the final MP/ARG stages). Or maybe EA just rushed them (dun dun dunnnnnn). Just the level of storytelling between Dead Space and Infiltrator was pretty big, certainly got less than what I was expecting.

[estebanus]

It's awfully quiet in here...

[MaximizedAction]

Ok, then let me forward to you something about dreams, from Family Guy:

www.youtube.com/watch

EDIT: Sorry, no better quality available.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 26 mai 2012 - 02:34 .

[Rosewind]

Chaos knows no Order!!!! <--- My new slogan you likie?

Edit; Wow it is queit

Modifié par Rosewind, 26 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

The silence is deafening :S

[BatmanTurian]

I've been seeing all these threads popping up over the past few days since Chris Priestly's poll on HTL and a lot of them are about trying to prove IT wrong, whether by saying synthesis is the right choice or generic " IT is wrong because of this." or something else. I think the Literalists are freakin' scared. The arguments about IT have ramped up since that poll. I think they subconciously believe Bioware will go for it and they're fighting against it with all their might, using I.T. proponents as scapegoats in a "proxy debate" against Bioware.

At any rate, I'm glad to have been a part of this because whether IT is true or not, It's been great to study the human mind at work and mass social interaction when two parties differ over ideology (that doesn't involve politics).

[blooregard]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've been seeing all these threads popping up over the past few days since Chris Priestly's poll on HTL and a lot of them are about trying to prove IT wrong, whether by saying synthesis is the right choice or generic " IT is wrong because of this." or something else. I think the Literalists are freakin' scared. The arguments about IT have ramped up since that poll. I think they subconciously believe Bioware will go for it and they're fighting against it with all their might, using I.T. proponents as scapegoats in a "proxy debate" against Bioware.

At any rate, I'm glad to have been a part of this because whether IT is true or not, It's been great to study the human mind at work and mass social interaction when two parties differ over ideology (that doesn't involve politics).

Poloticians are like Geth.

Democrat says 1 is less then 2

republicans say 2 is less then 3

[BatmanTurian]

blooregard wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've been seeing all these threads popping up over the past few days since Chris Priestly's poll on HTL and a lot of them are about trying to prove IT wrong, whether by saying synthesis is the right choice or generic " IT is wrong because of this." or something else. I think the Literalists are freakin' scared. The arguments about IT have ramped up since that poll. I think they subconciously believe Bioware will go for it and they're fighting against it with all their might, using I.T. proponents as scapegoats in a "proxy debate" against Bioware.

At any rate, I'm glad to have been a part of this because whether IT is true or not, It's been great to study the human mind at work and mass social interaction when two parties differ over ideology (that doesn't involve politics).

Poloticians are like Geth.

Democrat says 1 is less then 2

republicans say 2 is less then 3

exactly.

[GethPrimeMKII]

IT is great because it forces players to re examine the trilogy far more closely and it gives those who believe IT a new found appreciation for excellent story telling in games. If videogames are to be considered art this level of depth is the standard.

[BatmanTurian]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

IT is great because it forces players to re examine the trilogy far more closely and it gives those who believe IT a new found appreciation for excellent story telling in games. If videogames are to be considered art this level of depth is the standard.

But what does it say about its detractors? I mean without insulting them.