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]lythran9 wrote...
personally i think if they are going to go down the hallucination route they could easily turn around and show that everything since coming in to contact with the beacon on eden prime in ME 1 was a hallucination just to wack a middle finger in your face after the smack you just recieved from the actual ending
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 26 mai 2012 - 05:14 .
BatmanTurian wrote...
I just want to repost something I posted in another thread, because it makes a really big point about the symbolism in the endings, especially Destroy. This is in response to Erield, who constantly says that choosing Destroy is also giving in to a choice the Starchild gives you and could be just as bad as the other two.
Except at the end in Destroy, Shepard's face and body language is basically " F*** this S**t" when
they're shooting the tube. Notice the tube looks like the baby reaper tubes that were feeding it human smoothies? When I saw that, the symbolism was clear as day. It reminded me of the utter, disgusting monsters that they are. Shepard actually starts looking healthier and moving easier almost as if.... Shepard is regaining their freedom to
move easily in a dream where the entire time it seems like Shepard is wounded and holding the weight of the galaxy on his/her shoulders.
The other two choices have Shepard throwing away his gun, giving up to the Starbeiber's argument. In Destroy he holds it until the end, keeping to his resolve, his face full of defiant anger and rightious fury, much more like the real Shepard we've known the last three games as opposed to the unsure, weak Shepard after Harbinger's beam. The symbolism is far deeper in the endings than people realize.
Rosewind wrote...
]lythran9 wrote...
personally i think if they are going to go down the hallucination route they could easily turn around and show that everything since coming in to contact with the beacon on eden prime in ME 1 was a hallucination just to wack a middle finger in your face after the smack you just recieved from the actual ending
And lose a lot of fan's in the process, honestly don't see that happening.
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
I just want to repost something I posted in another thread, because it makes a really big point about the symbolism in the endings, especially Destroy. This is in response to Erield, who constantly says that choosing Destroy is also giving in to a choice the Starchild gives you and could be just as bad as the other two.
Except at the end in Destroy, Shepard's face and body language is basically " F*** this S**t" when
they're shooting the tube. Notice the tube looks like the baby reaper tubes that were feeding it human smoothies? When I saw that, the symbolism was clear as day. It reminded me of the utter, disgusting monsters that they are. Shepard actually starts looking healthier and moving easier almost as if.... Shepard is regaining their freedom to
move easily in a dream where the entire time it seems like Shepard is wounded and holding the weight of the galaxy on his/her shoulders.
The other two choices have Shepard throwing away his gun, giving up to the Starbeiber's argument. In Destroy he holds it until the end, keeping to his resolve, his face full of defiant anger and rightious fury, much more like the real Shepard we've known the last three games as opposed to the unsure, weak Shepard after Harbinger's beam. The symbolism is far deeper in the endings than people realize.
Yeah while Destroy is a choice given by starkid, it is clearly not a choice he wants Shepard to take. He is painting it in a clear bad light and generally wants to steer you away from it.
That is reason enough to think about taking it twice as this kid has just told us he is repsonsible and possibly a part of the Reapers.
Add then Shepards reaction and the fact that it is the only chocie taht can trigger the breath scene and you allready havea good argument before even getting into the details of things.
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
I just want to repost something I posted in another thread, because it makes a really big point about the symbolism in the endings, especially Destroy. This is in response to Erield, who constantly says that choosing Destroy is also giving in to a choice the Starchild gives you and could be just as bad as the other two.
Except at the end in Destroy, Shepard's face and body language is basically " F*** this S**t" when
they're shooting the tube. Notice the tube looks like the baby reaper tubes that were feeding it human smoothies? When I saw that, the symbolism was clear as day. It reminded me of the utter, disgusting monsters that they are. Shepard actually starts looking healthier and moving easier almost as if.... Shepard is regaining their freedom to
move easily in a dream where the entire time it seems like Shepard is wounded and holding the weight of the galaxy on his/her shoulders.
The other two choices have Shepard throwing away his gun, giving up to the Starbeiber's argument. In Destroy he holds it until the end, keeping to his resolve, his face full of defiant anger and rightious fury, much more like the real Shepard we've known the last three games as opposed to the unsure, weak Shepard after Harbinger's beam. The symbolism is far deeper in the endings than people realize.
Yeah while Destroy is a choice given by starkid, it is clearly not a choice he wants Shepard to take. He is painting it in a clear bad light and generally wants to steer you away from it.
That is reason enough to think about taking it twice as this kid has just told us he is repsonsible and possibly a part of the Reapers.
Add then Shepards reaction and the fact that it is the only chocie taht can trigger the breath scene and you allready havea good argument before even getting into the details of things.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 26 mai 2012 - 05:31 .
MaximizedAction wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
I just want to repost something I posted in another thread, because it makes a really big point about the symbolism in the endings, especially Destroy. This is in response to Erield, who constantly says that choosing Destroy is also giving in to a choice the Starchild gives you and could be just as bad as the other two.
Except at the end in Destroy, Shepard's face and body language is basically " F*** this S**t" when
they're shooting the tube. Notice the tube looks like the baby reaper tubes that were feeding it human smoothies? When I saw that, the symbolism was clear as day. It reminded me of the utter, disgusting monsters that they are. Shepard actually starts looking healthier and moving easier almost as if.... Shepard is regaining their freedom to
move easily in a dream where the entire time it seems like Shepard is wounded and holding the weight of the galaxy on his/her shoulders.
The other two choices have Shepard throwing away his gun, giving up to the Starbeiber's argument. In Destroy he holds it until the end, keeping to his resolve, his face full of defiant anger and rightious fury, much more like the real Shepard we've known the last three games as opposed to the unsure, weak Shepard after Harbinger's beam. The symbolism is far deeper in the endings than people realize.
Yeah while Destroy is a choice given by starkid, it is clearly not a choice he wants Shepard to take. He is painting it in a clear bad light and generally wants to steer you away from it.
That is reason enough to think about taking it twice as this kid has just told us he is repsonsible and possibly a part of the Reapers.
Add then Shepards reaction and the fact that it is the only chocie taht can trigger the breath scene and you allready havea good argument before even getting into the details of things.
And yet Shepard saw the crew fleeing, just as in the other endings.
If all the things that we saw after our decision is induced by Shep's mind alone, then ok, but if they are Indoc induced pictures, then maybe Harbinger is still not done with Shepard, even after the Starbinger sharade.
I think Davishepard is just trying to get a rise out of you. He was clearly beaten in the 'fanfic' argument so now he's calling us liars.BatmanTurian wrote...
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BatmanTurian wrote...
need some backup here : http://social.biowar...7305/2#12250086
marcelo_sdk wrote...
I just don't understand why some people think that symbolism and subtle messages during the game are crazy things that just us ITers can see.
They don't remember Overlord, when the Rogue VI kept saying non-sense sounds and, in the end, it we discovered he was trying to say "please, make it stop". Just suppose that Overlord finished before we discovered that the VI was David and they were going to launch the "end DLC" after some time. During this time, in the debates, the VI sounds would mean nothing to those "true fans", as they like to call themselves?
BatmanTurian wrote...
I've been seeing all these threads popping up over the past few days since Chris Priestly's poll on HTL and a lot of them are about trying to prove IT wrong, whether by saying synthesis is the right choice or generic " IT is wrong because of this." or something else. I think the Literalists are freakin' scared. The arguments about IT have ramped up since that poll. I think they subconciously believe Bioware will go for it and they're fighting against it with all their might, using I.T. proponents as scapegoats in a "proxy debate" against Bioware.
At any rate, I'm glad to have been a part of this because whether IT is true or not, It's been great to study the human mind at work and mass social interaction when two parties differ over ideology (that doesn't involve politics).
BatmanTurian wrote...
marcelo_sdk wrote...
I just don't understand why some people think that symbolism and subtle messages during the game are crazy things that just us ITers can see.
They don't remember Overlord, when the Rogue VI kept saying non-sense sounds and, in the end, it we discovered he was trying to say "please, make it stop". Just suppose that Overlord finished before we discovered that the VI was David and they were going to launch the "end DLC" after some time. During this time, in the debates, the VI sounds would mean nothing to those "true fans", as they like to call themselves?
That " VI " freaked me out so much. Then when I found out it was a person in pain crying out in fear and for help, I felt soooo bad.
HellishFiend wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
I've been seeing all these threads popping up over the past few days since Chris Priestly's poll on HTL and a lot of them are about trying to prove IT wrong, whether by saying synthesis is the right choice or generic " IT is wrong because of this." or something else. I think the Literalists are freakin' scared. The arguments about IT have ramped up since that poll. I think they subconciously believe Bioware will go for it and they're fighting against it with all their might, using I.T. proponents as scapegoats in a "proxy debate" against Bioware.
At any rate, I'm glad to have been a part of this because whether IT is true or not, It's been great to study the human mind at work and mass social interaction when two parties differ over ideology (that doesn't involve politics).
Had no idea the battling had intensified. Makes me glad I tend to stay within the bounds of this topic, aside from the multiplayer subforum.
BatmanTurian wrote...
need some backup here : http://social.biowar...7305/2#12250086
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
I've been seeing all these threads popping up over the past few days since Chris Priestly's poll on HTL and a lot of them are about trying to prove IT wrong, whether by saying synthesis is the right choice or generic " IT is wrong because of this." or something else. I think the Literalists are freakin' scared. The arguments about IT have ramped up since that poll. I think they subconciously believe Bioware will go for it and they're fighting against it with all their might, using I.T. proponents as scapegoats in a "proxy debate" against Bioware.
At any rate, I'm glad to have been a part of this because whether IT is true or not, It's been great to study the human mind at work and mass social interaction when two parties differ over ideology (that doesn't involve politics).
Had no idea the battling had intensified. Makes me glad I tend to stay within the bounds of this topic, aside from the multiplayer subforum.
It is battlefield out there, but the good thing is the enemy is for the most part using outdated weapons. Arguments like the Prothean VI and how the rubble could be Citadel pop up constantly from people who clearly have never taken one glance into this thread.
In general it seems like the Anti-IT people are the ones on the defensive from what I see, keeping to their own threads and arguments trying desperately to defend them. Havent seen many anti-It i here either for a while actually.
Just my own experience off course
paxxton wrote...
Besides if you die in a dream, you die for real.GethPrimeMKII wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
does Parabolee handle the question of why there is a critical mission failure if you don't make a choice fast enough? Because that's the new ****** in our armor they're trying to pierce.
The way I interpret that is this way:
Its the same reasoning you can use as to why Marauder shields and the husk trio can kill shepard, or why TIM can kill Shepard. Its her dream, but even in a dream your mind makes up the rules and physics that your dream will follow based on actual experiences and information from the real world.
Shepard knows the crucible and citadel are sitting out there in the open space amidst a full scale reaper attack. It's perfectly reasonable for her to assume that the reapers will turn around and open fire on the crucible if enough time is wasted.
Does that help?
mrs.N7 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Besides if you die in a dream, you die for real.GethPrimeMKII wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
does Parabolee handle the question of why there is a critical mission failure if you don't make a choice fast enough? Because that's the new ****** in our armor they're trying to pierce.
The way I interpret that is this way:
Its the same reasoning you can use as to why Marauder shields and the husk trio can kill shepard, or why TIM can kill Shepard. Its her dream, but even in a dream your mind makes up the rules and physics that your dream will follow based on actual experiences and information from the real world.
Shepard knows the crucible and citadel are sitting out there in the open space amidst a full scale reaper attack. It's perfectly reasonable for her to assume that the reapers will turn around and open fire on the crucible if enough time is wasted.
Does that help?
Starbringer is freddy krueger, mystery solved
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
It is battlefield out there, but the good thing is the enemy is for the most part using outdated weapons. Arguments like the Prothean VI and how the rubble could be Citadel pop up constantly from people who clearly have never taken one glance into this thread.
In general it seems like the Anti-IT people are the ones on the defensive from what I see, keeping to their own threads and arguments trying desperately to defend them. Havent seen many anti-It i here either for a while actually.
Just my own experience off course
Just the name of Aequitas makes me wonder what further purpose it has...Rosewind wrote...
Hey look at that Aequitas has been enabled, currently in between Tuchunka and the Cerberus take over of the citadel. (am I the only one who think it sounds like a Spanish dish?)
æquitas is the nominative form of the Latin æquitatem, meaning justice,
equality, conformity, symmetry, or fairness, and is the source of the
modern word "equity". In ancient Rome, it could refer to either the
legal concept of equity, or fairness between individuals.
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
does Parabolee handle the question of why there is a critical mission failure if you don't make a choice fast enough? Because that's the new ****** in our armor they're trying to pierce.
The way I interpret that is this way:
Its the same reasoning you can use as to why Marauder shields and the husk trio can kill shepard, or why TIM can kill Shepard. Its her dream, but even in a dream your mind makes up the rules and physics that your dream will follow based on actual experiences and information from the real world.
Shepard knows the crucible and citadel are sitting out there in the open space amidst a full scale reaper attack. It's perfectly reasonable for her to assume that the reapers will turn around and open fire on the crucible if enough time is wasted.
Does that help?
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