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[D.Sharrah]

@ Arian Dynas:

I do get what you are saying about Paragade...even though I say I am doing an ultimate renegade play through, that is not an entirely accurate description. Ultimate Renegon play through would probably be more accurate...for the most part I am making all renegade choices, but if you are someone that is in my Shep's inner circle - you can feel pretty safe that he's not going to screw you...you might not agree w/all of his decisions, but unless you cross him you are safe. As I roleplay the character and I am finding that I tend to let Liara be a steadying influence...so in ME 1 and 3 I was definetly less renegade - in ME 2 w/o her prescence much more likely to descend into depraivty, etc.

[TJBartlemus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Once again my script grinds to a screeching halt. Does anyone know if Anderson knows the Illusive Man personally? As either TIM or Jack Harper? I can imagine they would recognize each other on sight, but I doubt they would use their first names...

Yeah I know how you feel. You say an important comment on how there is something odd with shepards armor or eyes or whatever and then the response is about something way off  topic like if space hampsters really came from space.

In my opinion I don't believe that they would know each other personally. Anderson has been in the alliance all his life and the illusive man has always been "illusive" and never truely involved in any missions. Not even Shepard had truely met TIM in person until the end.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 26 mai 2012 - 11:08 .

[D.Sharrah]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Once again my script grinds to a screeching halt. Does anyone know if Anderson knows the Illusive Man personally? As either TIM or Jack Harper? I can imagine they would recognize each other on sight, but I doubt they would use their first names...

I am pretty conficdent that they are aware of each other...and know enough to know a little about each's motivations etc...but no, not personally.

[D.Sharrah]

Ok I try to keep an open mind but I jst took a look at this thread (http://social.biowar.../index/12252017) and just couldn't get too far at all. I am just not sure why I even bother anymore...I don't want to igonre all thoughts out there, but when I see things like this I just don't get it. Two of OP argurements are essentailly aginst themes from the ME trilogy, oddly implying that neither fits the universe...which I just don't get. I mean do people play this game and not pay attention to the conversations, themes, settings, quests, etc.?

[D.Sharrah]

Where did everyone go?

[Ytook]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Ok I try to keep an open mind but I jst took a look at this thread (http://social.biowar.../index/12252017) and just couldn't get too far at all. I am just not sure why I even bother anymore...I don't want to igonre all thoughts out there, but when I see things like this I just don't get it. Two of OP argurements are essentailly aginst themes from the ME trilogy, oddly implying that neither fits the universe...which I just don't get. I mean do people play this game and not pay attention to the conversations, themes, settings, quests, etc.?

It's threads like that, that are the reason I don't bother with the rest of the forum, I just lurk here and very occasionally chop in, and your right, none of those points make any sense.

Edit: It also helps to look at the results of Chris Priestly's IT poll over on HTL, currently 81% yes 19% no.

Modifié par Ytook, 26 mai 2012 - 11:25 .

[TJBartlemus]

A little off topic (like any one has anything really big on topic right now anyway) but here is a video about mass effect that I just found that I thought was hilarious.

[paxxton]

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Shepard has had the ability to indoctrinate people throughout the series.

What!?

What do you think those paragon and renegade choices are?, indoctrination is a means of convincing people to see things your way, cult leaders for example use indoctrination, the method can be friendly or forcefull, but the result is the same, getting people to follow your way of thinking.

You're using a very broad definition of indoctrination. I'm not even sure if it can be still considered as such (http://en.wikipedia....iki/Inculcation). The talks in ME are more like chit-chats than long-term targeted conditioning.

EDIT: Paragon/Renegade actions have their desired effects because the people you talk to have some prior "education" as to how they should behave in a social environment. Shepard merely utilizes this. He does not indoctrinate them.

As do the reapers, Saren as a spectre wanted order in the galaxy and would go to any lengths to achieve it, Sovereign used that, the definition of indoctrination is to find a desire the victim has and twist it, Shepard is not using magic or any tech wizardry, just pure persuasion.

As an example, Wrex is a krogan desperate to cure his people of the genophage, on Virmire a paragon Shepard convinces wrex that the army of krogan Saren is breeding are just slaves, that's the twist, does not matter whether you agree with it or not, Shepard used a twist to get Wrex's cooperation, he indoctrinated wrex into seeing things his/her way, as I said, it's not magic or tech wizardry, it's just plain knowing the desires of the people you are dealing with.

This is a fascinating topic but right now I need to take a nap and can't discuss it further. I'll try to get back to it later.

I'm awake and as I said I'll give you my answer.
If you consider talking with people a form of mild indoctrination then you might be right. But still indoctrination prevents people from criticizing your views and judgement and just talking and asking for a favor does not do that.
Benezia was indoctrinated and she couldn't act without viewing Saren's will as a command.

Modifié par paxxton, 26 mai 2012 - 11:30 .

[D.Sharrah]

Ytook wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Ok I try to keep an open mind but I jst took a look at this thread (http://social.biowar.../index/12252017) and just couldn't get too far at all. I am just not sure why I even bother anymore...I don't want to igonre all thoughts out there, but when I see things like this I just don't get it. Two of OP argurements are essentailly aginst themes from the ME trilogy, oddly implying that neither fits the universe...which I just don't get. I mean do people play this game and not pay attention to the conversations, themes, settings, quests, etc.?

It's threads like that, that are the reason I don't bother with the rest of the forum, I just lurk here and very occasionally chop in, and your right, none of those points make any sense.

Edit: It also helps to look at the results of Chris Priestly's IT poll over on HTL, currently 81% yes 19% no.

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

[TSA_383]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Where did everyone go?

It's the weekend, we've not got things to pretend to be doing
Also there's a multiplayer event on, so I'm about to start improving my N7 score (currently 18, go me!)

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, Destroy is not an option
ever given by The Guardian at all. It's an option given to you by
Anderson. THEN he comments about how he "Knows you've thought about
destroying us." 

This is a very very important point.
If you watch closely, the catalyst doesn't really say that in order to destroy them, all synthetic life will be destroyed, or even give you the option. It says that you could try to wipe out all synthetic life, and lets you tie yourself in knots over something it's never actually said.

It is a very clever piece of dialogue.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Where did everyone go?

It's the weekend, we've not got things to pretend to be doing
Also there's a multiplayer event on, so I'm about to start improving my N7 score (currently 18, go me!)

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, Destroy is not an option
ever given by The Guardian at all. It's an option given to you by
Anderson. THEN he comments about how he "Knows you've thought about
destroying us." 

This is a very very important point.
If you watch closely, the catalyst doesn't really say that in order to destroy them, all synthetic life will be destroyed, or even give you the option. It says that you could try to wipe out all synthetic life, and lets you tie yourself in knots over something it's never actually said.

It is a very clever piece of dialogue.

I read somewhere that if you save the Collector Base you only get Control with low EMS.

[DJBare]

Just a heads up, I'm playing ME2 currently and just spotted a beam that is very much like the beam in ME3, even has the flare at the top in the clouds, it's the geth incursion mission with the hammerhead on the planet Latesh, system Chomos, The Phoenix Massing.

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

Just a heads up, I'm playing ME2 currently and just spotted a beam that is very much like the beam in ME3, even has the flare at the top in the clouds, it's the geth incursion mission with the hammerhead on the planet Latesh, system Chomos, The Phoenix Massing.

There's also another beam like that in an N7 mission where you have to disable  a weather control station that the geth are using.

[boeloe]

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

[BatmanTurian]

boeloe wrote...

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

Yeah, initially it's confusing. Then some things start adding up. Or it doesn't and you spend time outside this thread bitterly arguing that IT is stupid fan-fiction and Bioware is lazy/has terrible writers..

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

Yeah, initially it's confusing. Then some things start adding up. Or it doesn't and you spend time outside this thread bitterly arguing that IT is stupid fan-fiction and Bioware is lazy/has terrible writers..

Or you just end up not caring anymore...

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

Yeah, initially it's confusing. Then some things start adding up. Or it doesn't and you spend time outside this thread bitterly arguing that IT is stupid fan-fiction and Bioware is lazy/has terrible writers..

Or you just end up not caring anymore...

lol that too. actually, I was there at not caring until I found you guys.

[MaximizedAction]

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

Yeah, initially it's confusing. Then some things start adding up. Or it doesn't and you spend time outside this thread bitterly arguing that IT is stupid fan-fiction and Bioware is lazy/has terrible writers..

Or you just end up not caring anymore...

lol that too. actually, I was there at not caring until I found you guys.

Yeah, for me there are good IT days and bad IT days...and days where I just don't really care that much. And that cycle has been repeating for 2 months for me now.
But I'm still enjoying speculatin' due to you guys!

It's a SP RPG with MP elements, but with IT, it's much more social in a way. Like a Alternate Reality RPG, it's unique really.

[BatmanTurian]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

Yeah, initially it's confusing. Then some things start adding up. Or it doesn't and you spend time outside this thread bitterly arguing that IT is stupid fan-fiction and Bioware is lazy/has terrible writers..

Or you just end up not caring anymore...

lol that too. actually, I was there at not caring until I found you guys.

Yeah, for me there are good IT days and bad IT days...and days where I just don't really care that much. And that cycle has been repeating for 2 months for me now.
But I'm still enjoying speculatin' due to you guys!

It's a SP RPG with MP elements, but with IT, it's much more social in a way. Like a Alternate Reality RPG, it's unique really.

I enjoy the multiplayer, i just wish they had some deathmatch mode where we could be reaper, cerberus, or geth troops fighting players playing the unindoctrinated races. That'd be more epic than this Halo: ODST horde mode carbon copy.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 27 mai 2012 - 12:24 .

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

Yeah, initially it's confusing. Then some things start adding up. Or it doesn't and you spend time outside this thread bitterly arguing that IT is stupid fan-fiction and Bioware is lazy/has terrible writers..

Or you just end up not caring anymore...

lol that too. actually, I was there at not caring until I found you guys.

Yeah, for me there are good IT days and bad IT days...and days where I just don't really care that much. And that cycle has been repeating for 2 months for me now.
But I'm still enjoying speculatin' due to you guys!

It's a SP RPG with MP elements, but with IT, it's much more social in a way. Like a Alternate Reality RPG, it's unique really.

I enjoy the multiplayer, i just wish they had some deathmatch mode where we could be reaper, cerberus, or geth troops fighting players playing the unindoctrinated races. That'd be more epic than this Halo: ODST horde mode carbon copy.

That'd be cool. Being a Reaper capital ship.  But I think BioWare has a specific plan for multiplayer. It's there to make people believe the war is going on.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 12:31 .

[CARL_DF90]

I hope I am not the only one here who remembered that the Normandy has a piece of Reaper tech constantly on board in the form of the IFF? Just saying.

[MegumiAzusa]

TSA_383 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Where did everyone go?

It's the weekend, we've not got things to pretend to be doing
Also there's a multiplayer event on, so I'm about to start improving my N7 score (currently 18, go me!)

Arian Dynas wrote...

Actually, Destroy is not an option
ever given by The Guardian at all. It's an option given to you by
Anderson. THEN he comments about how he "Knows you've thought about
destroying us." 

This is a very very important point.
If you watch closely, the catalyst doesn't really say that in order to destroy them, all synthetic life will be destroyed, or even give you the option. It says that you could try to wipe out all synthetic life, and lets you tie yourself in knots over something it's never actually said.

It is a very clever piece of dialogue.

It actually says:
"You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want."
there is nothing about trying.

Low EMS stuff:
"The Crucible changed me. Created new... possibilities. But I can't make them happen.
And I won't."
"Make what happen?"
"What you came here to do.
You want to destroy us./You want to control us.
Now you could interpret the "And I won't." as that it will stop you if you try (hence sheparddead plays in the Normandy scene and no one steps out).

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Hey, longtime lurker here. Just wanted to let you guys know that you changed the ending from being... confusing to being possibly awesome.

D.Sharrah wrote...

It's good to know that its not just me...and I do love the fact that the HTL poll has IT overwhelmingly favored - I wonder what kind of impact that will have on what Bioware does...I know that it has been mentioned before, but I really like the idea that at some point Bioware releases end of the game data that shows just how many of the fans were "indoctrinated" by the ending choices...

I would also be interested in that. Has anybody ever analyzed the info that is uploaded to bioware if you have the upload gamedata option enabled? It might interesting to find out if your control/synthesis/destroy choice is uploaded.

Yeah, initially it's confusing. Then some things start adding up. Or it doesn't and you spend time outside this thread bitterly arguing that IT is stupid fan-fiction and Bioware is lazy/has terrible writers..

Or you just end up not caring anymore...

lol that too. actually, I was there at not caring until I found you guys.

I can relate.

[boeloe]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

I hope I am not the only one here who remembered that the Normandy has a piece of Reaper tech constantly on board in the form of the IFF? Just saying.

Is it somewhere stated that it is still there? It could (should?) have been removed during the refitting of the normandy. It's only purpose was to able to pass through the omega-4 relay, so why would the alliance leave it on board?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

I think it was all the way back in the first IT thread we were talking about Husk brains and how intact they would be after "huskification"? Anyway, managed to snag a close up after a sniper round:



Didn't think there'd be cables inside the brain, but interesting nonetheless. Anyway, back to Shieldwall *salute*