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[UrgedDuke]

Edit: sorry comented on the wrong post


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Modifié par UrgedDuke, 27 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[UrgedDuke]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BlackStar1 wrote...

No idea why the forum removes my link, let me try again.



What are those red clouds that you see through the windows before the Anderson/TIM confrontation? They don't look like anything else on the Citadel and they don't look like the Earth either. (Also why are there windows at all?)

EDIT:

Yeah, I think that's Earth watched from space.

Could be, *but*:
a) the Earth is blue, as you can see after the Anderson/TIM confrontation, not this strange red color.
you are looking the wrong way (the Earth is behind you).

EDIT 2: additionally, how can you see the Earth *when the Citadel arms are closed*?

It's earth. Though the arms are closed, loking up actually exposes you to the view of earth through a small opening where the arms join.

The citadel isn't closed completely from the rear, just enough so that the cucible couldn't dock.

It is completely closed, these parts are just left out as you don't usually see them.

It can't be, otherwise, nothing could get on to it via the beam. You can't jump through matter.

yes but earth was below you in this scene, he is looking up here

[Corik]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

[EpyonX3]

Corik wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

yes he is, look at his arms.

[EpyonX3]

UrgedDuke wrote...

yes but earth was below you in this scene, he is looking up here

Earth was always above you. Why do people assume the Shepard's orentation never changed?

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

yes he is, look at his arms.

Have you ever considered that it may not be Shepard's blood?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 04:12 .

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

yes he is, look at his arms.

Have you ever considered that it may not be Shepard's blood?

No because his arms were bleeding from the beam hit. I brought this up before, you can tell the angle at which shepard gets hit by the beam beacuse of the rips in his leg armor and one arm has less armor than the other.

His left arm seemed to get the most since it's more exposed than his right. Later we see both arms covered in a lot of blood. If he was bleeding from his gut, how would the blood get to his right hand and up his right arm?

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BlackStar1 wrote...

No idea why the forum removes my link, let me try again.



What are those red clouds that you see through the windows before the Anderson/TIM confrontation? They don't look like anything else on the Citadel and they don't look like the Earth either. (Also why are there windows at all?)

EDIT:

Yeah, I think that's Earth watched from space.

Could be, *but*:
a) the Earth is blue, as you can see after the Anderson/TIM confrontation, not this strange red color.
you are looking the wrong way (the Earth is behind you).

EDIT 2: additionally, how can you see the Earth *when the Citadel arms are closed*?

It's earth. Though the arms are closed, loking up actually exposes you to the view of earth through a small opening where the arms join.

The citadel isn't closed completely from the rear, just enough so that the cucible couldn't dock.

It is completely closed, these parts are just left out as you don't usually see them.

It can't be, otherwise, nothing could get on to it via the beam. You can't jump through matter.

*TIM voice* But you can!

Who said you can't jump through matter? You don't know exactly what the beam does anyway.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 27 mai 2012 - 04:15 .

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BlackStar1 wrote...

No idea why the forum removes my link, let me try again.



What are those red clouds that you see through the windows before the Anderson/TIM confrontation? They don't look like anything else on the Citadel and they don't look like the Earth either. (Also why are there windows at all?)

EDIT:

Yeah, I think that's Earth watched from space.

Could be, *but*:
a) the Earth is blue, as you can see after the Anderson/TIM confrontation, not this strange red color.
you are looking the wrong way (the Earth is behind you).

EDIT 2: additionally, how can you see the Earth *when the Citadel arms are closed*?

It's earth. Though the arms are closed, loking up actually exposes you to the view of earth through a small opening where the arms join.

The citadel isn't closed completely from the rear, just enough so that the cucible couldn't dock.

It is completely closed, these parts are just left out as you don't usually see them.

It can't be, otherwise, nothing could get on to it via the beam. You can't jump through matter.

*TIM voice* But you can!

Who said you can't jump through matter? You don't know exactly what the beam does anyway.

It's a relay between earth and the Citadel. This was made by the reapers who rely heavily on mass effect technology. Why should we think the beam does anything different?

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

yes he is, look at his arms.

Have you ever considered that it may not be Shepard's blood?

No because his arms were bleeding from the beam hit. I brought this up before, you can tell the angle at which shepard gets hit by the beam beacuse of the rips in his leg armor and one arm has less armor than the other.

His left arm seemed to get the most since it's more exposed than his right. Later we see both arms covered in a lot of blood. If he was bleeding from his gut, how would the blood get to his right hand and up his right arm?

There were other people near him when Harbinger's beam hit 'em all. Besides, he covered his face with his right arm so shouldn't it be the one that is burnt the most?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 04:15 .

[D.Sharrah]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DJBare wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I don't see where you get any Credits in London?
For TIMs base, yes, but you can still upgrade afterwards.

I think there is only one instance of it in London, but damned if I can remember where, perhaps the cafeteria.

Either way, it's strange that even all those on TIM's base give 5000 which is the EMS requirement if you fail to save Anderson in order for Shepard to survive the destroy ending, and it's not like anything is open to make a purchase, yeah we can say it's atmosphere, the pda's left after people ran, but each 5000 exactly?

All missions have Credits lying around that are 10k, 15k, or more so I can't see why its suspect. And as I said between Cerberus HQ and London you can purchase weapons and upgrades.
After finishing the game it loads the LegendSave which is created when you order the attack on the Cerberus HQ. New games have these purchases though.

I see where you are going...yes the totals usually add to the same amount in the end...but I think that DJBare is pointing out the lack of variance on Cronos and how the amounts picked up (5000) just happen to correspond to the EMS total you need to get the breath scene given a specific set of circumstances.

I think that it just happens to be purely coincindental...unless someone can show/tell us examples during their playhtroughs where the amounts what they need in EMS for the breath scene...

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BlackStar1 wrote...

No idea why the forum removes my link, let me try again.



What are those red clouds that you see through the windows before the Anderson/TIM confrontation? They don't look like anything else on the Citadel and they don't look like the Earth either. (Also why are there windows at all?)

EDIT:

Yeah, I think that's Earth watched from space.

Could be, *but*:
a) the Earth is blue, as you can see after the Anderson/TIM confrontation, not this strange red color.
you are looking the wrong way (the Earth is behind you).

EDIT 2: additionally, how can you see the Earth *when the Citadel arms are closed*?

It's earth. Though the arms are closed, loking up actually exposes you to the view of earth through a small opening where the arms join.

The citadel isn't closed completely from the rear, just enough so that the cucible couldn't dock.

It is completely closed, these parts are just left out as you don't usually see them.

It can't be, otherwise, nothing could get on to it via the beam. You can't jump through matter.

*TIM voice* But you can!

Who said you can't jump through matter? You don't know exactly what the beam does anyway.

It's a relay between earth and the Citadel. This was made by the reapers who rely heavily on mass effect technology. Why should we think the beam does anything different?

>cant jump through matter
>beam deposits you in a hallway with walls all around you

Wat


I also find it very hard to believe that every single mass relay has a clear empty shot in with nothing between it andthe connecting relay.

Stuff moves around in space

Modifié par byne, 27 mai 2012 - 04:17 .

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BlackStar1 wrote...

No idea why the forum removes my link, let me try again.



What are those red clouds that you see through the windows before the Anderson/TIM confrontation? They don't look like anything else on the Citadel and they don't look like the Earth either. (Also why are there windows at all?)

EDIT:

Yeah, I think that's Earth watched from space.

Could be, *but*:
a) the Earth is blue, as you can see after the Anderson/TIM confrontation, not this strange red color.
you are looking the wrong way (the Earth is behind you).

EDIT 2: additionally, how can you see the Earth *when the Citadel arms are closed*?

It's earth. Though the arms are closed, loking up actually exposes you to the view of earth through a small opening where the arms join.

The citadel isn't closed completely from the rear, just enough so that the cucible couldn't dock.

It is completely closed, these parts are just left out as you don't usually see them.

It can't be, otherwise, nothing could get on to it via the beam. You can't jump through matter.

*TIM voice* But you can!

Who said you can't jump through matter? You don't know exactly what the beam does anyway.

It's a relay between earth and the Citadel. This was made by the reapers who rely heavily on mass effect technology. Why should we think the beam does anything different?

From another topic some time ago:

You can see it completely closed, maybe there are some small openings in the size of a human but nothing as big as on your screen.
Also the Mako could jump into the Presidium in ME1 which is closed.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

yes he is, look at his arms.

Have you ever considered that it may not be Shepard's blood?

No because his arms were bleeding from the beam hit. I brought this up before, you can tell the angle at which shepard gets hit by the beam beacuse of the rips in his leg armor and one arm has less armor than the other.

His left arm seemed to get the most since it's more exposed than his right. Later we see both arms covered in a lot of blood. If he was bleeding from his gut, how would the blood get to his right hand and up his right arm?

There were other people near him when Harbinger's beam hit 'em all. Besides, he covered his face with his right arm so should it be the one that is burnt the most?

He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BlackStar1 wrote...

No idea why the forum removes my link, let me try again.



What are those red clouds that you see through the windows before the Anderson/TIM confrontation? They don't look like anything else on the Citadel and they don't look like the Earth either. (Also why are there windows at all?)

EDIT:

Yeah, I think that's Earth watched from space.

Could be, *but*:
a) the Earth is blue, as you can see after the Anderson/TIM confrontation, not this strange red color.
you are looking the wrong way (the Earth is behind you).

EDIT 2: additionally, how can you see the Earth *when the Citadel arms are closed*?

It's earth. Though the arms are closed, loking up actually exposes you to the view of earth through a small opening where the arms join.

The citadel isn't closed completely from the rear, just enough so that the cucible couldn't dock.

It is completely closed, these parts are just left out as you don't usually see them.

It can't be, otherwise, nothing could get on to it via the beam. You can't jump through matter.

*TIM voice* But you can!

Who said you can't jump through matter? You don't know exactly what the beam does anyway.

It's a relay between earth and the Citadel. This was made by the reapers who rely heavily on mass effect technology. Why should we think the beam does anything different?

Not to mention that we already see this occur with in-game mechanics...biotic charge (ftw) anyone?

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...


He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

So why didnt the beam kill Shepard then, Epyon?

Harby completely vaporizes every other soldier he hits.

He also hits every other soldier with pinpoint accuracy. No starting in front of them and slowly inching the beam closer.

[Corik]

byne wrote...

So why didnt the beam kill Shepard then, Epyon?

Harby completely vaporizes every other soldier he hits.

He also hits every other soldier with pinpoint accuracy. No starting in front of them and slowly inching the beam closer.

So true... Shepard didn't take a direct hit. He was injured by the explosion, but not killed (we can see that in the breathing scene, the damage to his armor is clearly explosion damage, not beam impact). When he fell unconscious the mind battle begun.

Sorry, I... must... believe...

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BlackStar1 wrote...

No idea why the forum removes my link, let me try again.



What are those red clouds that you see through the windows before the Anderson/TIM confrontation? They don't look like anything else on the Citadel and they don't look like the Earth either. (Also why are there windows at all?)

EDIT:

Yeah, I think that's Earth watched from space.

Could be, *but*:
a) the Earth is blue, as you can see after the Anderson/TIM confrontation, not this strange red color.
you are looking the wrong way (the Earth is behind you).

EDIT 2: additionally, how can you see the Earth *when the Citadel arms are closed*?

It's earth. Though the arms are closed, loking up actually exposes you to the view of earth through a small opening where the arms join.

The citadel isn't closed completely from the rear, just enough so that the cucible couldn't dock.

It is completely closed, these parts are just left out as you don't usually see them.

It can't be, otherwise, nothing could get on to it via the beam. You can't jump through matter.

*TIM voice* But you can!

Who said you can't jump through matter? You don't know exactly what the beam does anyway.

It's a relay between earth and the Citadel. This was made by the reapers who rely heavily on mass effect technology. Why should we think the beam does anything different?

From another topic some time ago:

You can see it completely closed, maybe there are some small openings in the size of a human but nothing as big as on your screen.
Also the Mako could jump into the Presidium in ME1 which is closed.

Perhaps i should clear the issue up. I'm not saying that the Citadel had a huge gaping whole under it. Just open enough to allow the transport of bodies. Now this hole in citadel may be super small compared to the citadel as a whole, but large enough to see the earth from those openings.


Also that pic is a lie! That's not Harbinger!

Modifié par EpyonX3, 27 mai 2012 - 04:25 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

So why didnt the beam kill Shepard then, Epyon?

Harby completely vaporizes every other soldier he hits.

He also hits every other soldier with pinpoint accuracy. No starting in front of them and slowly inching the beam closer.

1. He doesn't want to kill Shepard.
2. The game jumps into slow-mo so you get to see how the beam moves before striking.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

So why didnt the beam kill Shepard then, Epyon?

Harby completely vaporizes every other soldier he hits.

He also hits every other soldier with pinpoint accuracy. No starting in front of them and slowly inching the beam closer.

I would ask bioware that. They left the hints to how Shepard survived the attack in his armor.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

So why didnt the beam kill Shepard then, Epyon?

Harby completely vaporizes every other soldier he hits.

He also hits every other soldier with pinpoint accuracy. No starting in front of them and slowly inching the beam closer.

I would ask bioware that. They left the hints to how Shepard survived the attack in his armor.

So in other words, you dont know?

But you were supposed to have all the answers, Epyon!

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

From another topic some time ago:

You can see it completely closed, maybe there are some small openings in the size of a human but nothing as big as on your screen.
Also the Mako could jump into the Presidium in ME1 which is closed.

LOL. That's no Harby.

[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

yes he is, look at his arms.

Have you ever considered that it may not be Shepard's blood?

No because his arms were bleeding from the beam hit. I brought this up before, you can tell the angle at which shepard gets hit by the beam beacuse of the rips in his leg armor and one arm has less armor than the other.

His left arm seemed to get the most since it's more exposed than his right. Later we see both arms covered in a lot of blood. If he was bleeding from his gut, how would the blood get to his right hand and up his right arm?

There were other people near him when Harbinger's beam hit 'em all. Besides, he covered his face with his right arm so should it be the one that is burnt the most?

He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

I would have to see the end run again to be sure...but I don't remember a specific point where Shepard is bloodied on one side more than the other...besides that though what is the exact arguement here?  He was clutching his abdomen before the TIM confrontation, so the he clutches the same place where Anderson got shot "evidence" is no longer valid?

Two things; let's assume that what you are saying does lead to potential conclusion that I just stated - if it was true and Shep had been clutching his side and that arm had been trickling blood down the entire time...wouldn't the blood be more prominent on the outside of the hand - or - more obvious in the entire area?

Second, when you consider the comments that Bioware made about the "camera being an important character", again given the above statements are valid...what is the significance of the camera intentionally showing blood on Shep's hand after removing it from his abdomen?

[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

So why didnt the beam kill Shepard then, Epyon?

Harby completely vaporizes every other soldier he hits.

He also hits every other soldier with pinpoint accuracy. No starting in front of them and slowly inching the beam closer.

I would ask bioware that. They left the hints to how Shepard survived the attack in his armor.

Armor that magically changes to a default set for everyone...

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Also notice Shepard clingingg to his gut in he second pic, just saying.

But he's not bleeding. 

yes he is, look at his arms.

Have you ever considered that it may not be Shepard's blood?

No because his arms were bleeding from the beam hit. I brought this up before, you can tell the angle at which shepard gets hit by the beam beacuse of the rips in his leg armor and one arm has less armor than the other.

His left arm seemed to get the most since it's more exposed than his right. Later we see both arms covered in a lot of blood. If he was bleeding from his gut, how would the blood get to his right hand and up his right arm?

There were other people near him when Harbinger's beam hit 'em all. Besides, he covered his face with his right arm so should it be the one that is burnt the most?

He raised his right arm yes but your assertion would be true if the beam came directly from his right. The angle was good enough to graze his right arm but hit his left.

I would have to see the end run again to be sure...but I don't remember a specific point where Shepard is bloodied on one side more than the other...besides that though what is the exact arguement here?  He was clutching his abdomen before the TIM confrontation, so the he clutches the same place where Anderson got shot "evidence" is no longer valid?

Two things; let's assume that what you are saying does lead to potential conclusion that I just stated - if it was true and Shep had been clutching his side and that arm had been trickling blood down the entire time...wouldn't the blood be more prominent on the outside of the hand - or - more obvious in the entire area?

Second, when you consider the comments that Bioware made about the "camera being an important character", again given the above statements are valid...what is the significance of the camera intentionally showing blood on Shep's hand after removing it from his abdomen?

If the camera is a character, it might be worried that Shepard loses too much blood.  It can't help him because it has no arms.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 04:45 .