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[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ytook wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ytook wrote...

Why would a glancing hit from a large beam cause a small but deep bleeding wound in your side like getting shot would?

This question comes from the assumption that Shepard's arm blood comes from his gut.

Which is where it is shown to be coming from, and if the beam burns off alot of your armour why would it cause a deep bleeding wound anywhere, also weren't you claiming before that Shepard was clutching his side earlier because of a wound in his side?

Then how do you explain the blood getting from his hand up his left arm, and then to his right hand and then up his right arm?

Also, you don't need deep wounds to produce bleeding like that. Especially if it bleeds over time.

And yes I showed an image of him holding his side before he reaches tim, suggesting that the injury was already there.

Pulled this from my response to this...

"if it was true and Shep had been clutching his side and that arm had been trickling blood down the entire time...wouldn't the blood be more prominent on the outside of the hand - or - more obvious in the entire area?"

Also, wouldn't his hand (the palm) be clean and there be a void where ti was?  And if there were two wounds, wouldn't there be more blood?  And why does the camera specifically show the blood covered plam when pulled away from his abdomen?

Good point about the palm. But explain how both of his hands and arms are soaked with blood when he gets up to the control panel.

I am not sure that I ever saw it as blood...I think I always saw it as more of charred skin...think of it this way, Harby's beam should have a temperature component to it, that should instantly cauterize any wounds...if there was any blood it would be coming from cracks in the flesh and the seepage would be alot slower than an open wound...hopefully that helps explain my perspective - doesn't mean that I am right, but that's how I think of it.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 27 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[MegumiAzusa]

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

[D.Sharrah]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

1.  On Cronos w/the Kai Leng fight, once you have introduced that ant to the heel of your boot - and he tries to get one last parting shot in, what happens if you don't take the interrupt (as I never have done this, my emotions in that scene just won't let me - I want him to burn like Thessia did (as I am a loyal Liara LI))?

2.  In ME 2, (both the video and the Shep surives re-entry discussion here spurned this) anyone else think that there may be something to the idea that visually there are a great number of similarites b/w rebuilt Shep and the baby reaper (including the obvious Terminator references)?  For example, is this visual connection b/w the two strengthen the idea that Shep was always meant to be the "consciousness" of the human reaper?

Dont know about the second, but ine thfirst not taking the interupt results in Shepard dodging as the blade pierces the control panel and then stapping Kai instead of smashing t5he balde.

Thanks for that...I never can let that interrupt pass - I just wish it would stick with the class appropriate heavy melee...biotic punch of doom ftw!

[Rosewind]

Consensus Achieved.

[D.Sharrah]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

Consensus Achieved.

I don't know if it is. Most people are already indoctrinated.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[Ytook]

EpyonX3 wrote...
Then how do you explain the blood getting from his hand up his left arm, and then to his right hand and then up his right arm?

Also, you don't need deep wounds to produce bleeding like that. Especially if it bleeds over time.

And yes I showed an image of him holding his side before he reaches tim, suggesting that the injury was already there.

My point about your picture was that you yourself where claiming that there was a wound there and now you're claiming that the wound can't be there.

The blood has pooled on Shepard's hand and then run down his/her left arm while sitting, there is also no major amount of blood on the rest of Shepard, lots of bruising and burning but no serious bleeding as there is from the wound you see after Anderson dies and if there is blood on his/her right side then it would be from Marauder Shield's hit to Shep's right shoulder.

There is no significant amount of blood on Shep's left arm until the scene where s/he looks down and looks at the blood and the wound with an almost confused look where there is suddenly a lot. Shepard doesn't constantly grasp his/her left side during the walk to Anderson and you see no serious bleeding. On top of this there is the fact that there is no damage to Anderson or any bleeding from him where he gets shot.

[Rosewind]

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Consensus Achieved.

I don't know if it is. Most people are already indoctrinated.

No data available.

[MegumiAzusa]

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

[dreamgazer]

It's getting harder and harder to talk about the catalyst's options---both positive and negative sides, and from a rational perspective---on this forum. Everyone's getting set in their perspective and very closed-minded belligerent, which, to be honest, is making any form of emphasizing indoctrination in the extended cut look less appealing. Don't even get me started on what happens when you mention indoctrination in any capacity, even in a faint discussion about something you observe.

Getting a little tired of it, and getting fatigued. I know what I interpret, and it's apparently getting more and more meaningless in discussions. Unfortunate.

[jackncoke28]

 just had a thought, what if the crucible is not infact a test or trial to save the galaxy, but infact a test on shepard's, and by extension humanity's, worthiness to attain reaper ascension? We know from info gained in ME2 that humans were seen as genetically the best choice for ascension, and it so happens that out of all the species that were helping build the crucible and all the species fighting on earth to defeat the reapers, only 3 humans make into citadel, and not just any 3 humans.  TIM, Shepard, and Anderson could be considered the 3 most important humans in the game. Seems to me that the crucible is a test of ideolgy, a test conducted by the reapers to se if humanity has "evolved" enough to accept reaper logic. isnt every individual reaper ship sentient? if so, it would make sense then that they would want to make sure that a reaper dreadnought mind, consensus, etc. would be fully commited to reaper ideology. which also would explain destroy option, they cant be sure a being fully adheres to their ideal unless they give them  the choice to to go against it, if one still chooses  to follow their logic even after being given the option not to, then they can be certain that the mental programing, evolution, etc. is succesfull. The importance of TIM, Anderson and Shepard is there ability to have people follow them, they are leaders, perfect candidates for central brain, avatar or whatever inside reaper. Just a random thought could be way off lol.

[EpyonX3]

Ytook wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Then how do you explain the blood getting from his hand up his left arm, and then to his right hand and then up his right arm?

Also, you don't need deep wounds to produce bleeding like that. Especially if it bleeds over time.

And yes I showed an image of him holding his side before he reaches tim, suggesting that the injury was already there.

My point about your picture was that you yourself where claiming that there was a wound there and now you're claiming that the wound can't be there.

The blood has pooled on Shepard's hand and then run down his/her left arm while sitting, there is also no major amount of blood on the rest of Shepard, lots of bruising and burning but no serious bleeding as there is from the wound you see after Anderson dies and if there is blood on his/her right side then it would be from Marauder Shield's hit to Shep's right shoulder.

There is no significant amount of blood on Shep's left arm until the scene where s/he looks down and looks at the blood and the wound with an almost confused look where there is suddenly a lot. Shepard doesn't constantly grasp his/her left side during the walk to Anderson and you see no serious bleeding. On top of this there is the fact that there is no damage to Anderson or any bleeding from him where he gets shot.

No. i only pointed out that he holds his gut before he gets to TIM, he also holds it during that scene before he shoots anderson.

Therefore, it's difficult to say that his injury to his side came from him shooting anderson. His arms are already covered in blood. The blood being more visible in that part is bioware raising the level of detail in that scene to illustrate how hurt shepard is.

Both of his hands and arms are covered in blood. How did he get all of that blood on both of his arms?

[dreamgazer]

Vox Draco wrote...

Maybe it'll hearten your spirits too?


Edit: Hope this shameless act of self-promotion is forgiveable...

Great work. (thumbs up)  I mentioned in a thread recently that I picture the Reapers performing in a Blue Oyster Cult cover band and operating a microbrewery in their cycle off-time. 

[lex0r11]

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Consensus Achieved.

I don't know if it is. Most people are already indoctrinated.

No data available.

[D.Sharrah]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...


I am not sure that I ever saw it as blood...I think I always saw it as more of charred skin...think of it this way, Harby's beam should have a temperature component to it, that should instantly cauterize any wounds...if there was any blood it would be coming from cracks in the flesh and the seepage would be alot slower than an open wound...hopefully that helps explain my perspective - doesn't mean that I am right, but that's how I think of it.

That looks like blood to me.


And this is his left hand.



I see what you're saying though. It could be that it's both blood and lacerations.

[Rosewind]

I love you Lex0r!!!

[D.Sharrah]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ytook wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Then how do you explain the blood getting from his hand up his left arm, and then to his right hand and then up his right arm?

Also, you don't need deep wounds to produce bleeding like that. Especially if it bleeds over time.

And yes I showed an image of him holding his side before he reaches tim, suggesting that the injury was already there.

My point about your picture was that you yourself where claiming that there was a wound there and now you're claiming that the wound can't be there.

The blood has pooled on Shepard's hand and then run down his/her left arm while sitting, there is also no major amount of blood on the rest of Shepard, lots of bruising and burning but no serious bleeding as there is from the wound you see after Anderson dies and if there is blood on his/her right side then it would be from Marauder Shield's hit to Shep's right shoulder.

There is no significant amount of blood on Shep's left arm until the scene where s/he looks down and looks at the blood and the wound with an almost confused look where there is suddenly a lot. Shepard doesn't constantly grasp his/her left side during the walk to Anderson and you see no serious bleeding. On top of this there is the fact that there is no damage to Anderson or any bleeding from him where he gets shot.

No. i only pointed out that he holds his gut before he gets to TIM, he also holds it during that scene before he shoots anderson.

Therefore, it's difficult to say that his injury to his side came from him shooting anderson. His arms are already covered in blood. The blood being more visible in that part is bioware raising the level of detail in that scene to illustrate how hurt shepard is.

Both of his hands and arms are covered in blood. How did he get all of that blood on both of his arms?

I'll respond with this again...

"I am not sure that I ever saw it as blood...I think I always saw it as more of charred skin...think of it this way, Harby's beam should have a temperature component to it, that should instantly cauterize any wounds...if there was any blood it would be coming from cracks in the flesh and the seepage would be alot slower than an open wound...hopefully that helps explain my perspective - doesn't mean that I am right, but that's how I think of it."

Edit:  Even in the pics you just posted I am not sure that I see it as "blood", dried blood maybe.  But again, I still don't know how to suspend my disbelief that any wounds Shep got before/during/right after Harby's beam hit wouldn't be cauterized...think of a badly burned person (like from a raging fire), if there is blood it is very little from seepage around flesh that has been burned so badly it is cracked...and from what I can remember about this, is that it usually doesn't produce much blood (or in other words a bleeding out is not a usual concern for a severe burn patient). 

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 27 mai 2012 - 06:36 .

[dreamgazer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...


I am not sure that I ever saw it as blood...I think I always saw it as more of charred skin...think of it this way, Harby's beam should have a temperature component to it, that should instantly cauterize any wounds...if there was any blood it would be coming from cracks in the flesh and the seepage would be alot slower than an open wound...hopefully that helps explain my perspective - doesn't mean that I am right, but that's how I think of it.

That looks like blood to me.


And this is his left hand.



I see what you're saying though. It could be that it's both blood and lacerations.

You also have to think about the environment which Shepard was thrown into once s/he hits the Citadel: a blood-soaked storage compartment for mangled human corpses.  Much of that blood might not be Shepard's.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[EpyonX3]

dreamgazer wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...


I am not sure that I ever saw it as blood...I think I always saw it as more of charred skin...think of it this way, Harby's beam should have a temperature component to it, that should instantly cauterize any wounds...if there was any blood it would be coming from cracks in the flesh and the seepage would be alot slower than an open wound...hopefully that helps explain my perspective - doesn't mean that I am right, but that's how I think of it.

That looks like blood to me.


And this is his left hand.



I see what you're saying though. It could be that it's both blood and lacerations.

You also have to think about the environment which Shepard was thrown into once s/he hits the Citadel: a blood-soaked storage compartment for mangled human corpses.  Much of that blood might not be Shepard's.

The same blood was present when he woke up. Otherwise, his face should be similarly smeared with blood.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 27 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

I'm not sure that I buy that theory...with everyone else that we suspect that could be indoctrinated there is either hints at it or a dramatic change in behavior...I don't think that I can say either of those things about Hackett.

[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

I'm not sure that I buy that theory...with everyone else that we suspect that could be indoctrinated there is either hints at it or a dramatic change in behavior...I don't think that I can say either of those things about Hackett.

That and he headed the whole project. He could have easily sabotaged it or indoctrinated others around him to do it for him.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

I'm not sure that I buy that theory...with everyone else that we suspect that could be indoctrinated there is either hints at it or a dramatic change in behavior...I don't think that I can say either of those things about Hackett.

There are a few hints.

1. Anderson asking Shepard (with the character camera showing that) why they haven't heard from Hackett.
2. Hackett popping out of nowhere just minutes after Shepard leaves Earth leading him to the Crucible.
3. How did he survived the initial Reaper attack (probably the most aggressive one)?
4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?
5. Why Hackett didn't inform Shepard about Cerberus attack on Mars?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 06:47 .

[dreamgazer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You also have to think about the environment which Shepard was thrown into once s/he hits the Citadel: a blood-soaked storage compartment for mangled human corpses.  Much of that blood might not be Shepard's.

The same blood was present when he woke up. Otherwise, his face should be similarly smeared with blood.

Yeah, I was curious about that when I posted it. Could still be the blood shed around Shepard during the battle (blood of many on your hands), but less likely I suppose.