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[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

http://www.youtube.c...mYAo-g3MM#t=92s
I was more wondering about why Shep is still thinking about that.

[Ytook]

dreamgazer wrote...
That looks like blood to me.

*image snip*

I see what you're saying though. It could be that it's both blood and lacerations.

It looks far more like bruising and charring to me, if there is blood it's old and dried while the blood after the Anderson scene is clearly distinct from what is there in the pictures, it's fresh and plentiful, it definately appears there at that moment and is on Shep's hand, and there is the fact that the shot doesn't produce a wound or bleeding from Anderson.

Though seeing as we're saying we see different things I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. =P

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

There are a few hints.

1. Anderson asking Shepard (with the character camera showing that) why they haven't heard from Hackett.
2. Hackett popping out of nowhere just minutes after Shepard lives Earth leading him to the Crucible.
3. How did he survived the initial Reaper attack (probably the most aggressive one)?
4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?
5. Why Hackett didn't inform Shepard about Cerberus attack on Mars?

1) Communications severed as soon as reapers come into contact with the fleets. Just like it was hard to communicate with the Normandy from Earth.

2) How does this seem like and indoctrinated action. Why give shepard the option of uncovering the very thing that can destroy them?

3) They retreated. His shipp is obviously damaged since the transmission was garbled.

4) How was Hackett supposed to know that Liara was there? Also, Liara was being chased by Cerberus who were there some time before shepard.

5) Hacket was retreating from a reaper attack. I doubt he had communications with the base on mars.

[MaximizedAction]

jackncoke28 wrote...

 just had a thought, what if the crucible is not infact a test or trial to save the galaxy, but infact a test on shepard's, and by extension humanity's, worthiness to attain reaper ascension? We know from info gained in ME2 that humans were seen as genetically the best choice for ascension, and it so happens that out of all the species that were helping build the crucible and all the species fighting on earth to defeat the reapers, only 3 humans make into citadel, and not just any 3 humans.  TIM, Shepard, and Anderson could be considered the 3 most important humans in the game. Seems to me that the crucible is a test of ideolgy, a test conducted by the reapers to se if humanity has "evolved" enough to accept reaper logic. isnt every individual reaper ship sentient? if so, it would make sense then that they would want to make sure that a reaper dreadnought mind, consensus, etc. would be fully commited to reaper ideology. which also would explain destroy option, they cant be sure a being fully adheres to their ideal unless they give them  the choice to to go against it, if one still chooses  to follow their logic even after being given the option not to, then they can be certain that the mental programing, evolution, etc. is succesfull. The importance of TIM, Anderson and Shepard is there ability to have people follow them, they are leaders, perfect candidates for central brain, avatar or whatever inside reaper. Just a random thought could be way off lol.

It might be, but if this is the purpose of the Crucible, it is still a tool of the Reapers and therefore still a trap.

Ultimately, is it really important what the Reapers' goals and motivation really is? If it doesn't help us remove the threat, why should we care about them if they don't bother telling us why they do to us what they do? (Starbinger doesn't count, since his arguments are non-arguments, since illogical)

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 mai 2012 - 06:52 .

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

http://www.youtube.c...mYAo-g3MM#t=92s
I was more wondering about why Shep is still thinking about that.

It's also quite interesting that Hackett is not usually as unhesitating as in this talk. As if he wanted to eliminate an opponent.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 06:51 .

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

There are a few hints.

1. Anderson asking Shepard (with the character camera showing that) why they haven't heard from Hackett.
2. Hackett popping out of nowhere just minutes after Shepard lives Earth leading him to the Crucible.
3. How did he survived the initial Reaper attack (probably the most aggressive one)?
4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?
5. Why Hackett didn't inform Shepard about Cerberus attack on Mars?

1. The Reapers have been blocking all comms. You dont hear from Hackett until you get aboard the Normandy because it has a QEC.

2. This is related to the first one. Only once you are aboard the Normandy can he contact you.

3. He sacrificed the entire second fleet to allow the third and fifth fleets to escape.

4. Because she was running from Cerberus at the time. Plus no comms.

5. You're assuming that he even knew about it, which I doubt he did, since the Reapers had been blocking all comms. I doubt the backwater research station on Mars had a QEC. This also applies to why Liara wasnt informed in number 4.

Hackett wasnt at Earth, he was at Arcturus Station when the Reapers hit. The only way Hackett could communicate with Earth was via QECs.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

4) How was Hackett supposed to know that Liara was there? Also, Liara was being chased by Cerberus who were there some time before shepard.

I agree with most of your points in that list, Epyon, except for this one.

How is Hackett supposed to know Liara is there?

Did you just straight up forget that he's the one who asked her to investigate the archives in the first place?

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

There are a few hints.

1. Anderson asking Shepard (with the character camera showing that) why they haven't heard from Hackett.
2. Hackett popping out of nowhere just minutes after Shepard lives Earth leading him to the Crucible.
3. How did he survived the initial Reaper attack (probably the most aggressive one)?
4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?
5. Why Hackett didn't inform Shepard about Cerberus attack on Mars?

1. The Reapers have been blocking all comms. You dont hear from Hackett until you get aboard the Normandy because it has a QEC.

2. This is related to the first one. Only once you are aboard the Normandy can he contact you.

3. He sacrificed the entire second fleet to allow the third and fifth fleets to escape.

4. Because she was running from Cerberus at the time. Plus no comms.

5. You're assuming that he even knew about it, which I doubt he did, since the Reapers had been blocking all comms. I doubt the backwater research station on Mars had a QEC. This also applies to why Liara wasnt informed in number 4.

Hackett wasnt at Earth, he was at Arcturus Station when the Reapers hit. The only way Hackett could communicate with Earth was via QECs.

Didn't he tell Shepard before Mars that Liara was there?

[Corik]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

4) How was Hackett supposed to know that Liara was there? Also, Liara was being chased by Cerberus who were there some time before shepard.

I agree with most of your points in that list, Epyon, except for this one.

How is Hackett supposed to know Liara is there?

Did you just straight up forget that he's the one who asked her to investigate the archives in the first place?

Hacket said in the briefing that Liara was there. Liara and Hacket were working together to find the crucible blueprints.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

There are a few hints.

1. Anderson asking Shepard (with the character camera showing that) why they haven't heard from Hackett.
2. Hackett popping out of nowhere just minutes after Shepard lives Earth leading him to the Crucible.
3. How did he survived the initial Reaper attack (probably the most aggressive one)?
4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?
5. Why Hackett didn't inform Shepard about Cerberus attack on Mars?

1. The Reapers have been blocking all comms. You dont hear from Hackett until you get aboard the Normandy because it has a QEC.

2. This is related to the first one. Only once you are aboard the Normandy can he contact you.

3. He sacrificed the entire second fleet to allow the third and fifth fleets to escape.

4. Because she was running from Cerberus at the time. Plus no comms.

5. You're assuming that he even knew about it, which I doubt he did, since the Reapers had been blocking all comms. I doubt the backwater research station on Mars had a QEC. This also applies to why Liara wasnt informed in number 4.

Hackett wasnt at Earth, he was at Arcturus Station when the Reapers hit. The only way Hackett could communicate with Earth was via QECs.

Didn't he tell Shepard before Mars that Liara was there?

Yeah, because he asked her to look into the archives. She had been there for a while. She didnt just randomly go to Mars when the Reapers attacked.

[byne]

Corik wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

4) How was Hackett supposed to know that Liara was there? Also, Liara was being chased by Cerberus who were there some time before shepard.

I agree with most of your points in that list, Epyon, except for this one.

How is Hackett supposed to know Liara is there?

Did you just straight up forget that he's the one who asked her to investigate the archives in the first place?

Hacket said in the briefing that Liara was there. Liara and Hacket were working together to find the crucible blueprints.

Yeah, thats what I said.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

I'm not sure that I buy that theory...with everyone else that we suspect that could be indoctrinated there is either hints at it or a dramatic change in behavior...I don't think that I can say either of those things about Hackett.

There are a few hints.

1. Anderson asking Shepard (with the character camera showing that) why they haven't heard from Hackett.
2. Hackett popping out of nowhere just minutes after Shepard leaves Earth leading him to the Crucible.
3. How did he survived the initial Reaper attack (probably the most aggressive one)?
4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?
5. Why Hackett didn't inform Shepard about Cerberus attack on Mars?

1. Comms were down...like when the comms went out in Batarian space before the Reapers attacked.
2. I never got the impression that he popped out of nowhere...he was probably trying to get someone on the comms the whole time the invasion was going on...it wasn't till you get on board the Normandy w/the enhanced comm tech that he was able to get anyone...
3.  If you ask him later in the game he tells you...Reapers pour in, he has to order a fleet to stay behind (to get destroyed) so that the rest can retreat
4.  Comms down...again whether this was due to the Reapers or Cerberus may be a question, but either leads to the same outcome
5.  He didn't know, see 1 and 4.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw you can always ask
"But what if the Reapers really can be controlled?" ("And if Illusive Man is right?")
Just tell Hackett to wait and go on the vidcom again and you have that option.
Another point of doubt in Sheps mind.

I know...and Hackett always answers the same way...DEAD (not controlled) Reapers is the way we win this war.

No that one was much earlier in the game. I was talking about right before the assault on the Cerberus HQ.

I don't specifically remember him saying something much different...does he?

Remember that he might turn out to be the most indoctrinated fellow at the party.

I'm not sure that I buy that theory...with everyone else that we suspect that could be indoctrinated there is either hints at it or a dramatic change in behavior...I don't think that I can say either of those things about Hackett.

There are a few hints.

1. Anderson asking Shepard (with the character camera showing that) why they haven't heard from Hackett.
2. Hackett popping out of nowhere just minutes after Shepard leaves Earth leading him to the Crucible.
3. How did he survived the initial Reaper attack (probably the most aggressive one)?
4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?
5. Why Hackett didn't inform Shepard about Cerberus attack on Mars?

1. Comms were down...like when the comms went out in Batarian space before the Reapers attacked.
2. I never got the impression that he popped out of nowhere...he was probably trying to get someone on the comms the whole time the invasion was going on...it wasn't till you get on board the Normandy w/the enhanced comm tech that he was able to get anyone...
3.  If you ask him later in the game he tells you...Reapers pour in, he has to order a fleet to stay behind (to get destroyed) so that the rest can retreat
4.  Comms down...again whether this was due to the Reapers or Cerberus may be a question, but either leads to the same outcome
5.  He didn't know, see 1 and 4.

All right, maybe it was all due to the chaos of war.

[Corik]

I really think we are going too far with some theories. I think we can safely assume that anything which seemed to be true during "long time" (all the games, main plot of ME3 etc) is not going to be false. In fact, we are taking the indoctrination thing also too far. I think the theory should be named "Indoctrination Attempt Theory, because a lot of people think that IT says that Shepard is indoctrinated. Shepard is not indoctrinated. He may have suffered attempts to be indoctrinated, but he's definetely not indoctrinated.

The only possible thing that can be an "illusion" is the last 10 minutes of the game. Anything more doesn't make any sense. Evidences pointing towards that Indoctrination Attempt and the hallucination since the conduit run are pretty easy to spot, and definetely not hidden (we can discuss if they are true or not, but they are pretty clear and concrete moments). Any extended final can't change the main plot a lot. If IT is true, all we can see is Shepard recovering conscience and a final strike against the reapers, which can be done in a DLC. Hacket being indoctrinated and the full game being a huge amount of lies and conspirations is 99% impossible... imo.

[Corik]

byne wrote...
Yeah, thats what I said.

Sorry, I misunderstood.

[NovaM4]

I agree with everything!

But i still don't get it why my teammates are stranded on a mysterious planet. But that is why the EC is coming.

10/10 from me for the two topics! 

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?

Yknow, I was thinking more about it.

How does this one even remotely point to indoctrination?

Is that what indoctrinated people do?

Set up surprise reunions for two separated lovers?

"When Liara sees her girlfriend, she'll be so happy! Just as the Reapers had planned!"

Are the Reapers a galactic matchmaking service now?

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

4) How was Hackett supposed to know that Liara was there? Also, Liara was being chased by Cerberus who were there some time before shepard.

I agree with most of your points in that list, Epyon, except for this one.

How is Hackett supposed to know Liara is there?

Did you just straight up forget that he's the one who asked her to investigate the archives in the first place?

He reached out to her...to get her help in figuring out how to stop the Reapers...if they were in that much contact, I thnk that it's safe to assume that she might have sent a message to Hackett to let him know that she may have found something in the archives...otherwise, how would he know to send you there to get the data - I think he even mentions Liara in the transmission...

[Corik]

byne wrote...

Are the Reapers a galactic matchmaking service now?

So the tips in ME2 were wrong... you don't need to talk to people to live a romance... you can call the reapers!

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

4) How was Hackett supposed to know that Liara was there? Also, Liara was being chased by Cerberus who were there some time before shepard.

I agree with most of your points in that list, Epyon, except for this one.

How is Hackett supposed to know Liara is there?

Did you just straight up forget that he's the one who asked her to investigate the archives in the first place?

He reached out to her...to get her help in figuring out how to stop the Reapers...if they were in that much contact, I thnk that it's safe to assume that she might have sent a message to Hackett to let him know that she may have found something in the archives...otherwise, how would he know to send you there to get the data - I think he even mentions Liara in the transmission...

You're the second person to do that.

I am aware of that. Thats literally what I said in my post.

The second line is not me genuinely asking the question, it is me repeating the question Epyon asked to make my point.

I thought that was clear, but I guess not.

[byne]

Corik wrote...

byne wrote...

Are the Reapers a galactic matchmaking service now?

So the tips in ME2 were wrong... you don't need to talk to people to live a romance... you can call the reapers!

They were wrong anyways.

The Shadow Broker has records of Miranda using a matchmaking service.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?

Yknow, I was thinking more about it.

How does this one even remotely point to indoctrination?

Is that what indoctrinated people do?

Set up surprise reunions for two separated lovers?

"When Liara sees her girlfriend, she'll be so happy! Just as the Reapers had planned!"

Are the Reapers a galactic matchmaking service now?

That's it!!! If Liara becomes an Ardat-Yakshi, the EC might contain a secret romance scene.

[Rosewind]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?

Yknow, I was thinking more about it.

How does this one even remotely point to indoctrination?

Is that what indoctrinated people do?

Set up surprise reunions for two separated lovers?

"When Liara sees her girlfriend, she'll be so happy! Just as the Reapers had planned!"

Are the Reapers a galactic matchmaking service now?

No cause I would be with vega

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

4. Why Liara wasn't informed about Shepard's arrival on Marrs?

Yknow, I was thinking more about it.

How does this one even remotely point to indoctrination?

Is that what indoctrinated people do?

Set up surprise reunions for two separated lovers?

"When Liara sees her girlfriend, she'll be so happy! Just as the Reapers had planned!"

Are the Reapers a galactic matchmaking service now?

No cause I would be with vega

I was surprised there wasnt a Vega romance.

With the way my Shepard kept flirting with him without me telling her to, I totally expected one, since the last time she randomly flirted without me telling her to was whenever I talked to Jacob in ME2.

[Corik]

byne wrote...

I was surprised there wasnt a Vega romance.

With the way my Shepard kept flirting with him without me telling her to, I totally expected one, since the last time she randomly flirted without me telling her to was whenever I talked to Jacob in ME2.

My male Shepard flirted with him too... without telling him XD.

Private conversation in my cabin:

Vega: I think I should go, things are getting too soft.
Shepard: The bed is harder than it looks.