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[EpyonX3]

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

[Corik]

@EpyonX3

It's hard to say... For me it's kinda weird that scene. He shoots Anderson in that same side, and after that, he starts bleeding badly (and bioware centers your attention in that fact). I don't know. I believe it's all symbolic, Anderson is his mind fighting against Harbinger control, and the shot is a sign of his will diminishing. That's what I believe. But I can't say that's how it is...

Modifié par Corik, 27 mai 2012 - 08:16 .

[EpyonX3]

Corik wrote...

@EpyonX3

It's hard to say... For me it's kinda weird that scene. He shoots Anderson in that same side, and after that, he starts bleeding badly (and bioware centers your attention in that fact). I don't know. I believe it's all symbolic, Anderson it's his mind fighting against Harbinger control, and the shot is a sign of his will diminishing. That's what I believe. But I can't say that's how it is...

The thing is that he holds that side way before the fact. So him holding it again isn't special to me.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Yes. He doesn't clutch his abdomen until TIM/Andy scene.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 08:17 .

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Or that her mind was resisting fairly well until their first brute force attempt at indoctrination, which damaged her mental image of herself, as well as severely damaging the part of her mind that was resisiting (Anderson)?

[Corik]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

@EpyonX3

It's hard to say... For me it's kinda weird that scene. He shoots Anderson in that same side, and after that, he starts bleeding badly (and bioware centers your attention in that fact). I don't know. I believe it's all symbolic, Anderson it's his mind fighting against Harbinger control, and the shot is a sign of his will diminishing. That's what I believe. But I can't say that's how it is...

The thing is that he holds that side way before the fact. So him holding it again isn't special to me.

No, but the camera... I really don't know.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Or that her mind was resisting fairly well until their first brute force attempt at indoctrination, which damaged her mental image of herself, as well as severely damaging the part of her mind that was resisiting (Anderson)?

There's no winning with you is there.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Yes. He doesn't clutch his abdomen until TIM/Andy scene.

Yes he does. If you stand still for a moment he does two animations. One he hold and stretches his shoulders. The other he holds his abdomen with his left hand and coughs.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Or that her mind was resisting fairly well until their first brute force attempt at indoctrination, which damaged her mental image of herself, as well as severely damaging the part of her mind that was resisiting (Anderson)?

There's no winning with you is there.

You're just realizing this now?

I thought you knew me better than that, Epyon!

[Ytook]

I think it's more that it makes a point of showing you the bleeding from the place you shoot Anderson, and Anderson himself is not bleeding from that point, we won't know untill the EC in the end.

[MaximizedAction]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Or that her mind was resisting fairly well until their first brute force attempt at indoctrination, which damaged her mental image of herself, as well as severely damaging the part of her mind that was resisiting (Anderson)?

And then, when shooting the tube walking tall again!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 mai 2012 - 08:24 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Consensus Achieved.

I don't know if it is. Most people are already indoctrinated.

Actually, the entire group is indoc'd, just look at the forums, we can't come to a concensus at all.

I will always fall back on the, "History will always repeat itself", regarding TIM/Protheans being indoc'd, and most probably every civilization in history, has had a 'splinter group' causing interference throughout every 'cycle', trying to undermine the galaxys' resolve, to END the Reaper threat.

So MY canon playthroughs, always end the threat, with destroy.

An aside worth mentioning, that snide quip about, "it's better to destroy than build", is beyond reproach, it's not enough we had to fight to survive, and now you think we should play opossum, and everything will correct itself, whatever, good luck with that!!

[byne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Or that her mind was resisting fairly well until their first brute force attempt at indoctrination, which damaged her mental image of herself, as well as severely damaging the part of her mind that was resisiting (Anderson)?

And then, when shooting the tube walking tall again!

To be fair you sprint like an athlete in Synthesis, too.

Though Synthesis seems to be the only one where Shepard seems to have magically overcome her injuries...

I wonder why that is.

Organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither!

Oh, thats right! Thanks, Saren! Huskification has begun.

[paxxton]

The one thing I don't understand is why TIM shows Shepard the power of the Reapers by making him shoot his friend. It should make Shepard's resistance to TIM's persuasion easier.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 08:34 .

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that Shep was relatively ok until TIM tried to control him, putting stress on his injured body which then resulted in further bleeding?

Or that her mind was resisting fairly well until their first brute force attempt at indoctrination, which damaged her mental image of herself, as well as severely damaging the part of her mind that was resisiting (Anderson)?

There's no winning with you is there.

You're just realizing this now?

I thought you knew me better than that, Epyon!

Sadly...

At least I try....

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

The one thing I don't understand is why TIM shows Shepard the power of the Reapers by making him shoot his friend. It should make Shepard resist TIM's persuasion easier.

"Look! To show you control is always the best idea, and that nothing bad will happen, I will make you shoot one of your best friends!"

*bang*

"See! Control is all unicorns and rainbows!"

TIM isnt really good at the whole persuasion thing...

[Big G13]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

@EpyonX3

It's hard to say... For me it's kinda weird that scene. He shoots Anderson in that same side, and after that, he starts bleeding badly (and bioware centers your attention in that fact). I don't know. I believe it's all symbolic, Anderson it's his mind fighting against Harbinger control, and the shot is a sign of his will diminishing. That's what I believe. But I can't say that's how it is...

The thing is that he holds that side way before the fact. So him holding it again isn't special to me.

I see your point, but in the pictures you provided it looks to me like, in the last shot, there is suddenly more blood on Shepards's thumb, index finger, and middle finger. Especially on the middle finger it looks like blood is flowing from Sheps side over the top of the middle finger. (shrugs) 

[Ytook]

@byne
In synthesis it looks to me like Shep is forcing herself to run, she still has a pained look on her face and is still hunched over for a fair while, while in destruction you properly stand tall and look determined, that's how I see at least.

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sorry I have to post this.

Certainly nothing that is in the decision thingy. Btw if you use that how about uploading it in full size so it's easier to see?

[Corik]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The one thing I don't understand is why TIM shows Shepard the power of the Reapers by making him shoot his friend. It should make Shepard resist TIM's persuasion easier.

"Look! To show you control is always the best idea, and that nothing bad will happen, I will make you shoot one of your best friends!"

*bang*

"See! Control is all unicorns and rainbows!"

TIM isnt really good at the whole persuasion thing...

I think it's all symbolic. Shepard's willpower is diminishing because Harbinger is pussing hard... so Shepard shooting Anderson is a way to see how Harbinger's invasion is destroying his mind. Killing it. That's why Anderson is shooted, but the one bleeding is Shepard.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The one thing I don't understand is why TIM shows Shepard the power of the Reapers by making him shoot his friend. It should make Shepard resist TIM's persuasion easier.

"Look! To show you control is always the best idea, and that nothing bad will happen, I will make you shoot one of your best friends!"

*bang*

"See! Control is all unicorns and rainbows!"

TIM isnt really good at the whole persuasion thing...

Gotta agree. He was really good at it in ME2. He did a 180 in ME3. Maybe the effects of Indoctrination.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sorry I have to post this.

Certainly nothing that is in the decision thingy. Btw if you use that how about uploading it in full size so it's easier to see?

I thought I did. Let me try again.


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Modifié par EpyonX3, 27 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Corik wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The one thing I don't understand is why TIM shows Shepard the power of the Reapers by making him shoot his friend. It should make Shepard resist TIM's persuasion easier.

"Look! To show you control is always the best idea, and that nothing bad will happen, I will make you shoot one of your best friends!"

*bang*

"See! Control is all unicorns and rainbows!"

TIM isnt really good at the whole persuasion thing...

I think it's all symbolic. Shepard's willpower is diminishing because Harbinger is pussing hard... so Shepard shooting Anderson is a way to see how Harbinger's invasion is destroying his mind. Killing it. That's why Anderson is shooted, but the one bleeding is Shepard.

Yes, that or "I really can control someone, even s/he gives her best to resist." and certainly the last thing Shep wants is shooting Anderson, showing he is so powerful she can't resist.

[Bill Casey]

Noticed one of the few objects in Shepard's cell besides his bed...



The Water Cooler tried to warn us... BUT WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!!

Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 mai 2012 - 08:41 .

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The one thing I don't understand is why TIM shows Shepard the power of the Reapers by making him shoot his friend. It should make Shepard resist TIM's persuasion easier.

"Look! To show you control is always the best idea, and that nothing bad will happen, I will make you shoot one of your best friends!"

*bang*

"See! Control is all unicorns and rainbows!"

TIM isnt really good at the whole persuasion thing...

Gotta agree. He was really good at it in ME2. He did a 180 in ME3. Maybe the effects of Indoctrination.

Or maybe BioWare is preparing the Evil Shepard the Cerberus Husk DLC and didn't want to spoil the fun by allowing players to choose TIM's reasoning.