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[DJBare]

There should be blood all down Shepard's right arm from the shoulder wound, interestingly according to this screen shot and the blood on the back of the shoulder, the bullet passed through Shepard's shoulder, s/he should not even be able to wield a weapon in that hand, yet continues to do so.
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

[UrgedDuke]

@Lord Goose

to quote the great commander shepard: "if we destroy the reapers this ends today, but if you can't control them-"
in other words control is NOT the answer

[D.Sharrah]

Lord Goose wrote...

Do you really think Shepard can control
the reapers?`

If we go into details, Reapers did choose to attack Sanctuary, because Henry Lawson have found something. He was researching control over reapers, and they attacked him.
If I don't believe Catalyst, I should just stay and do nothing and die from blood loss.

therefore by the catalyst's own logic,
the reaper cycle will need to continue

He is wrong. There is always another way.

He's wrong about the cycle...but not wrong about anything else.  You can't have it both ways.  You can't say that you are being absolutely literal - and then choose to interpert specific parts that support your viewpoint.  If Starbinger is wrong about the cycle then he can be wrong about Control - maybe Shep will fail to control the reapers, the cycle continues.  Maybe he is wrong about Synthesis - there will still be diversity, enough diversity that a certain group will always look for a way to be superior and the cycle continues.  The only way to absoultel, 100%, guarantee that the cycle stops - DESTROY THE REAPERS.

[Lord Goose]

Do you even listen to yourself?

I believe that Catalyst is not lying to me.
I also believe that he is just mistaken about his solution of the problem, which is taking away our future, and without future...

[UrgedDuke]

TIM clearly showed that control was a fallacy and shepard even saw through TIM's BS. Why would you change your mind just because some a**hole spacekid tells you that you can control his reapers

[D.Sharrah]

I feel like we need something to laugh at...so please enjoy these previous posts...

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

snip...

Everybody knows that in the man cave you have to have the biggest TV that you can get away with...it just so happens that TIM can afford to get away with alot - and what are TV screens made of...glass.

AND

byne wrote...

snip..

Does he have a strict 'One laser per customer' policy?

snip..

Yes...its in his evil villian contract...but that's not the reason that he really hates his contract, its because he doesn't have unlimited kills anymore...

[Big Bad]

Ok, this has been bugging me for awhile, so I need to go on a little rant.

The idea that it would even be possible for synthetics to destroy every single bit of organic life in the galaxy is completely ludicrous. Just on Earth alone, there is a literally unimaginably large number of bacteria and other single-celled forms of life. And this life is insanely diverse - basically, everywhere that humans have been able to explore, they have found life. That includes places like the deepest ocean trenches and miles and miles down into the earth's crust. There are countless species that have been living deep underground for so long that they have become so far removed from the food web that we are accustomed to (i.e., plants use sunlight to create carbohydrates, herbivores eat plants, carnivores eat herbivores, bacteria eat everything, etc.) that they might as well be from a different planet.

And that is just one planet. How many life-sustaining planets do you think exist in the ME universe? A LOT! The only way that synthetics could destroy all organic life would be to literally destroy every single planet, moon, asteroid, etc. in the galaxy that could conceivably be hospitable to some form of life. They would never choose to do this, because the cost would be too high. If synthetics destroyed all of these planets, they would lose the vital natural resources that are necessary for them continue to exist. Basically, it would be pointless and suicidal.

tl;dr -

If anybody tells you that they could wipe out all life they are either a A) goddamn idiot or goddamn liar. When it comes to the catalyst, my money is on B.

[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

@megumi




This is the best picture I've come across thanks to @Mobius-Silent

I see the part that you been trying to point out...but not sure that this proves anything at all.  What we need is a proper side by side comparison so we can look at the various components in both views and see if there is anything incongrous.

Come to this thread: http://social.biowar...1111/2#12268490

The discussion is mostly there.

[EpyonX3]

DJBare wrote...

There should be blood all down Shepard's right arm from the shoulder wound, interestingly according to this screen shot and the blood on the back of the shoulder, the bullet passed through Shepard's shoulder, s/he should not even be able to wield a weapon in that hand, yet continues to do so.
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

6 trillion dollar man!


But seriously, we must remember that we're playing a video game. How many times have your shields gone down and was shot or punched to an inch of your life, only to bounce right back after some medigel?

[Lord Goose]

"if we destroy the reapers this ends
today, but if you can't control them-"

When again, he admits that Illusive Man wasn't wrong about controlling the Reapers, it is really possible. If he is indoctrinated, isn't that sort of already succumbing into influence of the Reapers?

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

I find it interesting that everytime someone comes in in favor of the endings, they usually like control.

Its like even pro-enders realize how stupid synthesis is.

I always thought Synthesis was an attempt at a middle ground. But the moral implications are just too much for me. Sure Edi and Joker can now get it on but nah, not worth pissing off 80% of the remaining galaxy.

[MegumiAzusa]

Lord Goose wrote...
Killing people on accounts of mere possibility of future murders is kind of illogical.

No it's not, it's immoral but logic has nothing to do with morality.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

I find it interesting that everytime someone comes in in favor of the endings, they usually like control.

Its like even pro-enders realize how stupid synthesis is.

I always thought Synthesis was an attempt at a middle ground. But the moral implications are just too much for me. Sure Edi and Joker can now get it on but nah, not worth pissing off 80% of the remaining galaxy.

EDI and Joker could always get it on. Mordin even gave Joker advice.

[Lord Goose]

When it comes
to the catalyst, my money is on B.

Do not attribute malice to that which can be adequately explained by stupidity?)

[Lord Goose]

No it's not, it's immoral but logic has
nothing to do with morality.

It the same thing as Reapers doing. They are destroying civilizations just to make sure that they wouldn't create AI which would destroy all organic life. It is illogical to assume that among number of possibilities worst will happen. Sort of like Prisoners dilemma, I think.

[byne]

Lord Goose wrote...

When it comes
to the catalyst, my money is on B.

Do not attribute malice to that which can be adequately explained by stupidity?)

So he's an idiot but you trust him enough to kill yourself because he (an idiot) says it will let you control the Reapers?

I'm tempted to say something along the lines of 'I wonder who the real idiot in that situation is' but I wont.

Even though I just did.

[DJBare]

EpyonX3 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

There should be blood all down Shepard's right arm from the shoulder wound, interestingly according to this screen shot and the blood on the back of the shoulder, the bullet passed through Shepard's shoulder, s/he should not even be able to wield a weapon in that hand, yet continues to do so.

*image snip*

6 trillion dollar man!


But seriously, we must remember that we're playing a video game. How many times have your shields gone down and was shot or punched to an inch of your life, only to bounce right back after some medigel?

I knew that would be the response, so why not have Marauder shields shoot Shepard in the left shoulder?, then there would be no question.

Modifié par DJBare, 28 mai 2012 - 12:21 .

[Lord Goose]

I always thought Synthesis was an
attempt at a middle ground.

Well, Synthesis is rational, since it solves both problems: Reapers would stop and no one would die, but amoral to the level of playing god.

[estebanus]

Lord Goose wrote...

"if we destroy the reapers this ends
today, but if you can't control them-"

When again, he admits that Illusive Man wasn't wrong about controlling the Reapers, it is really possible. If he is indoctrinated, isn't that sort of already succumbing into influence of the Reapers?

Where does Shepard say that TIM is right? If anything, Shepard says that the risks are too high.

Trying to controlthe reapers is a lot like trying to control a great white shark; In the end, one side is going to end up dead. In ths case, it would be the rest of the galaxy.

The reapers are too powerful for a mere human to be able to control them.

[Big G13]

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

When it comes
to the catalyst, my money is on B.

Do not attribute malice to that which can be adequately explained by stupidity?)

So he's an idiot but you trust him enough to kill yourself because he (an idiot) says it will let you control the Reapers?

I'm tempted to say something along the lines of 'I wonder who the real idiot in that situation is' but I wont.

Even though I just did.

You can't be criticized for what you were thinking as long as you say you were only thinking it. 

[DJBare]

estebanus wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

"if we destroy the reapers this ends
today, but if you can't control them-"

When again, he admits that Illusive Man wasn't wrong about controlling the Reapers, it is really possible. If he is indoctrinated, isn't that sort of already succumbing into influence of the Reapers?

Where does Shepard say that TIM is right? If anything, Shepard says that the risks are too high.

To plays devils advocate, Shepard states "So the illusive man was right after all"

[estebanus]

Gah, I've watched to many WWII movies lately...

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

I find it interesting that everytime someone comes in in favor of the endings, they usually like control.

Its like even pro-enders realize how stupid synthesis is.

I always thought Synthesis was an attempt at a middle ground. But the moral implications are just too much for me. Sure Edi and Joker can now get it on but nah, not worth pissing off 80% of the remaining galaxy.

EDI and Joker could always get it on. Mordin even gave Joker advice.

Yeah but with Synthesis, Joker's bones might not be so brittle and Edi can actually reproduce, providing that EDI's body has the means after the transition.

Besides, what about the Magic of being in love?

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

"if we destroy the reapers this ends
today, but if you can't control them-"

When again, he admits that Illusive Man wasn't wrong about controlling the Reapers, it is really possible. If he is indoctrinated, isn't that sort of already succumbing into influence of the Reapers?

Where does Shepard say that TIM is right? If anything, Shepard says that the risks are too high.

To plays devils advocate, Shepard states "So the illusive man was right after all"

That I was aware of, but I thought he was referring to the quote posted by Byne.

[Lord Goose]

So he's an idiot but you trust him enough
to kill yourself because he (an idiot) says
it will let you control the Reapers

Sort of.

But it just the case of bad writing, I think. Because where if I choose destroy I still believe the same idiot.

Well, if we go deep into that, I just believe that Catalyst is working on false premise and honestly mistaken, rather than just stupid. But becuase billions of people died, that is really illogical to the point of insanity.