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[Destructorlio]

estebanus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I think it was all the way back in the first IT thread we were talking about Husk brains and how intact they would be after "huskification"? Anyway, managed to snag a close up after a sniper round:
*snip*
Didn't think there'd be cables inside the brain, but interesting nonetheless. Anyway, back to Shieldwall *salute*

Good luck! I've already completed Shieldwall, so I guess I won't be joining you! *salutes*

Bah! I managed to get two characters to 20, and promoted them, so I contributed, but I didn't make my squad goal. Had a sniper at 17 before my wife wanted to watch T2 and I had to let the dream go.

So bummed. I'm definitely levelling three chars up to 20 in advance in case this happens again. Boh!

[EpyonX3]

Here's on thing that really bothered me. Anybody notice how Liara tell Shepard "I Love You" and Shepard's looks back at her with a "Meh" expression and says nothing back?

He said I love you back at Ashley, so what the heck?

[estebanus]

Destructorlio wrote...

estebanus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I think it was all the way back in the first IT thread we were talking about Husk brains and how intact they would be after "huskification"? Anyway, managed to snag a close up after a sniper round:
*snip*
Didn't think there'd be cables inside the brain, but interesting nonetheless. Anyway, back to Shieldwall *salute*

Good luck! I've already completed Shieldwall, so I guess I won't be joining you! *salutes*

Bah! I managed to get two characters to 20, and promoted them, so I contributed, but I didn't make my squad goal. Had a sniper at 17 before my wife wanted to watch T2 and I had to let the dream go.

So bummed. I'm definitely levelling three chars up to 20 in advance in case this happens again. Boh!

Hmmm... I managed to promote all 6 classes, only 2 of them were over lvl 1: My soldier and infiltrator.

But since I had to complete a presentation for tomorrow, I didn't have the chance to train anymore.

[Lord Goose]

while
doing exactly what the Reapers want you
to do.

I'm pretty sure that they didn't want Shepard controlling them. Or anybody controlling them.

Which was a
big-ass mistake, my friend, because THAT
KID IS HARBINGER.

In that case ANY option is a mistake. Harbringer would lie us about Control, but what makes you think what he is honest about Destroy?

As I said, if my Shepard was a full-blown Renegade, he would have choosen Destroy, regardless of geth and EDI, just to survive. Picking Destroy doesn't involves believing in IT.

[estebanus]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Here's on thing that really bothered me. Anybody notice how Liara tell Shepard "I Love You" and Shepard's looks back at her with a "Meh" expression and says nothing back?

He said I love you back at Ashley, so what the heck?

What are you talking about? Do you mean before the chronos station mission, or on Earth?

[estebanus]

Lord Goose wrote...



As I said, if my Shepard was a full-blown Renegade, he would have choosen Destroy, regardless of geth and EDI, just to survive. Picking Destroy doesn't involves believing in IT.

That makes no sense. How would Shepard know s/he will survive in destroy? It was pretty heavily implied by the catalyst that s/he would die.
Of course you don't need to believe in the IT to choose destroy. I did it on my 1st paythrough, ans so did sh*tloads of others. As a matter of fact, destroy is the most favoured ending of the fans.

Also, controlling the reapers is renegade, regardless of the IT. Destroying them is paragon.

Modifié par estebanus, 28 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[EpyonX3]

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Here's on thing that really bothered me. Anybody notice how Liara tell Shepard "I Love You" and Shepard's looks back at her with a "Meh" expression and says nothing back?

He said I love you back at Ashley, so what the heck?

What are you talking about? Do you mean before the chronos station mission, or on Earth?

Sorry on Earth just as she finishes bonding with you.

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

while
doing exactly what the Reapers want you
to do.

I'm pretty sure that they didn't want Shepard controlling them. Or anybody controlling them.

Which was a
big-ass mistake, my friend, because THAT
KID IS HARBINGER.

In that case ANY option is a mistake. Harbringer would lie us about Control, but what makes you think what he is honest about Destroy?

As I said, if my Shepard was a full-blown Renegade, he would have choosen Destroy, regardless of geth and EDI, just to survive. Picking Destroy doesn't involves believing in IT.

*facepalm*

do you even understand IT???!?!???!?????!?!?? 

[estebanus]

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Here's on thing that really bothered me. Anybody notice how Liara tell Shepard "I Love You" and Shepard's looks back at her with a "Meh" expression and says nothing back?

He said I love you back at Ashley, so what the heck?

What are you talking about? Do you mean before the chronos station mission, or on Earth?

Sorry on Earth just as she finishes bonding with you.

I don't remember being able to see Shepard's face there...

[EpyonX3]

estebanus wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...



As I said, if my Shepard was a full-blown Renegade, he would have choosen Destroy, regardless of geth and EDI, just to survive. Picking Destroy doesn't involves believing in IT.

That makes no sense. How would Shepard know s/he will survive in destroy? It was pretty heavily implied by the catalyst that s/he would die.

Also, controlling the reapers is renegade, regardless of the IT. Destroying them is paragon.

I disagree. Even with the worst ems, control kills no one while still ending the reaper threat. It also doesn't destroy the relays completely and the Citadel is spared. Edi Lives and the geth, if you spared them, can continue to help the quarians.

Destroy with worst EMS kille everyone on earth, too bad for the human race surviving at the end of the game. It also kills EDI, the Geth and Shepard unless EMS is high. That seems renegade to me.

[Lord Goose]

TIM letting you control them
while they are saying TIM couldn't control
them because they were controlling him?

TIM was not controlling Shepard (and Andersond). They still could think and speak on their own.

when
the god child basically told him that he
was going to die.

He said: ''even you are partially synthetic'' which could have mean that it would be very hard for him to live without all that synthetics. While in Control he is explicit with ''you will die thing''. I don't remember about Synthesis, though.

[byne]

Destructorlio wrote...

estebanus wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I think it was all the way back in the first IT thread we were talking about Husk brains and how intact they would be after "huskification"? Anyway, managed to snag a close up after a sniper round:
*snip*
Didn't think there'd be cables inside the brain, but interesting nonetheless. Anyway, back to Shieldwall *salute*

Good luck! I've already completed Shieldwall, so I guess I won't be joining you! *salutes*

Bah! I managed to get two characters to 20, and promoted them, so I contributed, but I didn't make my squad goal. Had a sniper at 17 before my wife wanted to watch T2 and I had to let the dream go.

So bummed. I'm definitely levelling three chars up to 20 in advance in case this happens again. Boh!

Thats why I leveled every class to 20 months ago and left them there.

Never saw any point in promoting them since N7 level really doesnt matter.

The 75 war asset points you get per character promotion is nice though.

[estebanus]

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...



As I said, if my Shepard was a full-blown Renegade, he would have choosen Destroy, regardless of geth and EDI, just to survive. Picking Destroy doesn't involves believing in IT.

That makes no sense. How would Shepard know s/he will survive in destroy? It was pretty heavily implied by the catalyst that s/he would die.

Also, controlling the reapers is renegade, regardless of the IT. Destroying them is paragon.

I disagree. Even with the worst ems, control kills no one while still ending the reaper threat. It also doesn't destroy the relays completely and the Citadel is spared. Edi Lives and the geth, if you spared them, can continue to help the quarians.

Destroy with worst EMS kille everyone on earth, too bad for the human race surviving at the end of the game. It also kills EDI, the Geth and Shepard unless EMS is high. That seems renegade to me.

This isn't about people dying, all right? This is about what paragon/renegade actually is.

Paragon has always been about the end not justifying the means. You destroyed the collector base, you saved the council, you saved te Rachni. Choosing destroy would be the end not justifying the means in any way whatsoever. You don't use reaper tech to end the war. You don't force a gross rewriting of DNA on everyone. You reject their and TIM's philosophy.

Renegade has always been about the end justifying the means. Control embodies that. So does preserving the collector base. By choosing control, you embrace the philosophy of one of the main antagonists in the game, so do you in synthesis.

Again, renegade does not mean that less people are saved, it is a choice of morality.

Modifié par estebanus, 28 mai 2012 - 01:17 .

[UrgedDuke]

what are you doing here anyway goose

[Bill Casey]

Lord Goose wrote...

In that case ANY option is a mistake. Harbringer would lie us about Control, but what makes you think what he is honest about Destroy?

He is not being honest about Destroy...
That's the point...

None of the choices are real...
He's trying to make you not want to Destroy the Reapers...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 28 mai 2012 - 01:20 .

[Lord Goose]

You destroyed
the collector base, you saved the council,
you saved te Rachni.

...and you end up killing the whole geth race just to make sure that reapers are dead. Nice.

[MegumiAzusa]

Lord Goose wrote...

TIM letting you control them
while they are saying TIM couldn't control
them because they were controlling him?

TIM was not controlling Shepard (and Andersond). They still could think and speak on their own.

You don't seem to understand indoctrination. It is all about making the victim believe s/he is in control.
Also as TIM appeared Shep said:
"What have--"
She was stopped mid sentence. That is full control.

[estebanus]

UrgedDuke wrote...

what are you doing here anyway goose

He's debating with us. You got something against that?

[Lord Goose]

being honest about Destroy...

How exactly? He doesn't say that Shepard would die. That line is just is ambigous.

[estebanus]

Lord Goose wrote...

You destroyed
the collector base, you saved the council,
you saved te Rachni.

...and you end up killing the whole geth race just to make sure that reapers are dead. Nice.

Again, this is a result of Shepard choosing that the end does not justify the means. Eventhough it is paragon to reject the reapers and their philosophy, you will still lose people. You can't change that.

[estebanus]

Goddamnit, why are renegades so misunderstood?!

[Lord Goose]

It is all about making the
victim believe s/he is in control.

Husks are indoctrinated. I don't really think that they're thinking what they're in control.

[UrgedDuke]

estebanus wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

what are you doing here anyway goose

He's debating with us. You got something against that?

no im fine wit dat its just that it seems like we ve gone in circles

[Bill Casey]

Lord Goose wrote...

You destroyed
the collector base, you saved the council,
you saved te Rachni.

...and you end up killing the whole geth race just to make sure that reapers are dead. Nice.

Nope...
It's a Reaper trick...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 28 mai 2012 - 01:23 .

[estebanus]

UrgedDuke wrote...

estebanus wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

what are you doing here anyway goose

He's debating with us. You got something against that?

no im fine wit dat its just that it seems like we ve gone in circles

That's the general direction it takes in each argument about the IT's validity here...