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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Corik

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Current endings... nice. That's stupid to say. Current ending? An ending is an ending... unless it's a partial ending... in that case it would be "the current ending" until the true ending is released.

Modifié par Corik, 28 mai 2012 - 11:45 .


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DJBare wrote...

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Question: if IT is true, why does the collector base even effect what tIM says to you? I mean, a dream is a dream, why would BioWare bother to put flags in for that kind of thing?

Seems luike a waste.

Each part is something Shepard has experienced in reality, the hallucinations take elements from those experiences to draw a picture, an example I posted somewhere before, a test subject was lightly sprayed with water while they slept, when they woke they described being on a boat in a rain storm, Shepard had involvement with the collectore base whether to keep it or destroy it, each would have their hallucination affected differently by the outcome.


Interesting, butI I am still pretty doubtful of their intent. But I am HAPPY to be proven wrong, I absolutely do not understand people that hate on I.T. it'd be a fantastic litererary twist.

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Big G13 wrote...

Since things have slowed down I'd like to through a little something off topic out there. The other night I was watching the "Reignite - Mass Effect" video again and something jumped out at me. At about 1:23 in, the cloud mass on Earth, center of frame, resembles the RL 'Face on Mars' photos.
Submitted for fun, comment, ridicule, whatever. :)    

You can also see Happycloud.
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Corik wrote...

Current endings... nice. That's stupid to say. Current ending? An ending is an ending... unless it's a partial ending... in that case it would be "the current ending" until the true ending is released.

It depends on when he said it, was it before or after the announcement of the EC?

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Corik wrote...

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He says CAN tell you the ending is on the disc.


you sure? I'm not native english speaker so I'm not going to discuss that. It sounds more a "can't" to me, tho... But I don't know.


I can hear as clear as crystal that he says CAN'T tell you. Pretty much a dead-give away that something was probably being planned, and well- the EC is probably the result of it.

Didn't also Bioware ask for 6 more months to wrap up the game, but they only got 3? Would make sense that the ending seemed abit "abrupt" for alot of people, and well- it sort of is to some degree. And it also would make some sense to see the EC being shipped like 3 months after release, if not 4. Since we're still abit unsure on the release date.

Probably planning something grandeur. :lol:

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I was defragmenting my drive the other day and I noticed the names of the BIK video files from ME3 - London Red Good, London Red Bad, London Green Good, London Green Bad, London Blue Good, London Blue Bad. That tells me there are six endings to the game. What decides whether the ending is good or bad? It is EMS, Galaxy Readiness, what? Even without playing online (which I don't like doing) I have 100 Galaxy Readiness and almost 8,000 EMS when I get to London thanks to iPhone Infiltrator and Datapad, and the fact that I play as a completionist. So, if it's a case of EMS I will have to sacrifice all the side missions just to keep the EMS score down. I'm curious to see the "bad' endings for Red, Green and Blue.

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DJBare wrote...

Corik wrote...

Current endings... nice. That's stupid to say. Current ending? An ending is an ending... unless it's a partial ending... in that case it would be "the current ending" until the true ending is released.

It depends on when he said it, was it before or after the announcement of the EC?


Hard to say... there's some kind of "evidence" pointing towards EC being planned since launch. But if you refer to official announcement... I don't really know.

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Little stat for all you IT fans.

Seems like at least 50% of BSNers would be annoyed if the ending was proven to be LITERAL.

With only like 11% saying they would be affected negatively.

If anything this shows how detested literal interpretations of the ending is. I.T. or similar is most definitely preferred:

social.bioware.com/1968682/polls/33503/

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Fingertrip wrote...

Corik wrote...

StElmo wrote...

He says CAN tell you the ending is on the disc.


you sure? I'm not native english speaker so I'm not going to discuss that. It sounds more a "can't" to me, tho... But I don't know.


I can hear as clear as crystal that he says CAN'T tell you. Pretty much a dead-give away that something was probably being planned, and well- the EC is probably the result of it.

Didn't also Bioware ask for 6 more months to wrap up the game, but they only got 3? Would make sense that the ending seemed abit "abrupt" for alot of people, and well- it sort of is to some degree. And it also would make some sense to see the EC being shipped like 3 months after release, if not 4. Since we're still abit unsure on the release date.

Probably planning something grandeur. :lol:


Thats it, I'm breaking out the video editing software to have a look.

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Corik wrote...

Hard to say... there's some kind of "evidence" pointing towards EC being planned since launch. But if you refer to official announcement... I don't really know.


It was before EC was announced, I'm 95% sure.  Still, EC only "clarifies" the endings.  So they'd still be the current ones if that's all it was.

And damnit, I can't believe estebanus ninjaphantom'd me 2 minutes before.  And even worse, when I found out I went looking for that pic of the yagh shadow broker smashing his desk as a ragequit motivational to comically post regarding my reaction and I couldn't even find THAT.  Man, this isn't my day.

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See all this talk of current endings is confusing ><

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Destructorlio wrote...

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Then in the prologue of ME3 even has "alien" voices in her head when it hits the floor which are described in the Codex as the pinnacle of indoctrination, and as she is touching her head you can hear a buzzing sound, it doesn't come from outside because as with the voices it doesn't change according to the other sounds you hear. Both voices and buzzing fade out after a short while.


I just watched this and didn't really pick up on the alien voices- it just seems like her hearing was dulled momentarily and she heard the farawy voices of the people in the room with her, a la Saving Private Ryan.

Why would she hear the voices but not all the other sounds? Like the explosions etc, also they fade out, and as Anderson and Shep determine they are all dead. Also listen more closely, there are sounds mixed into it that just aren't of any organic origin or created by the objects around you.

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Rosewind wrote...

See all this talk of current endings is confusing ><


Is there anything not confusing? :D

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Rosewind wrote...

See all this current talk of current endings is confusing ><


Fixed.

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Rosewind wrote...

See all this talk of current endings is confusing ><


But it's a hell lotta fun.

Didn't know what I signed up for back in June 2011 when I preordered it -- my first preorder btw, and with IT I don't regret it. ^_^

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 28 mai 2012 - 12:01 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

See all this current talk of current endings is confusing ><


Fixed.


Geee thanks.... :P

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The thing is- why would the guy even MENTION the possibility of the ending not being in the disc, to say if it was on there or was not. Presumably that means he was at least turning over the concept of the ending not being on the disc in his mind, which again points to IT.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Something is off here.  Either it's a plot hole, or the Prothean VI on Thessia was already altered (or just plain fake to begin with) or something.  This doesn't add up.


Having just played Thessia again, I have to say, Vendetta sounded almost as full of **** as Starbinger Posted Image Stuff about the Reapers being the servants of a greater cycle, blah blah blah, sounded very Starbinger like to me. It could add to the theory that the VI is hacked, or a plant.

Also, why was it that they found a Beacon, but then the VI came out of it? We found one of each in ME1, and Beacons do that fancy hold-you-in-the-air-and-mind-****-you thing. That never happened in 3, they never used the Beacon Posted Image

Add to that you can hear Reaper sounds when you "feel" the Beacon (which wasn't one of Sheps abilities in any prior game).

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MaximizedAction wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Corik wrote...

StElmo wrote...

He says CAN tell you the ending is on the disc.


you sure? I'm not native english speaker so I'm not going to discuss that. It sounds more a "can't" to me, tho... But I don't know.

Well I never heard them say that the current ending is the official ending it is an ending yes but is it the real one. All we have been getting is PR spin and confusion.


Thisthisthisthisthis...!

The only thing was from the EC blog entry "No further ending DLC is planned" but then again, with DLCs most players, including me, have the 'archaic' definition of an ending in mind.

And no, BW never defined the word ending as "that thing we got on the discs" -- except Jesse's interview, that is, but who knows what the intention behind that statement was.



Wasn't there also something from Ray Muzyka in the Bioware blog where He was saying how the players were upset with the CURRENT endings?

Notice how he said "current endings." Kinda weird, right?


Wow, missed that one.



Yup, he said that shortly before the EC was announced.

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Definitely says can. Got a video uploading now.

Modifié par StElmo, 28 mai 2012 - 12:30 .


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Fingertrip wrote...


Probably planning something grandeur.

That's what I'm hoping, it never made sense to me that they would let their flagship game just fizzle out.

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DJBare wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...


Probably planning something grandeur.

That's what I'm hoping, it never made sense to me that they would let their flagship game just fizzle out.


if anything is evidence of IT it is this. The way they trashed this series, AFTER the DA2 debarcle, is, well, WOW, just wow.

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OK GUYS HE DEFINITELY SAYS CAN, NOT CAN'T

I USED THE MAGIC OF EDITING TO PROVE THIS. THE WAY HIS FACE MOVES AND THE SLOWED DOWN AUDIO PROVES IT HE IS UNDOUBTEDLY SAYING CAN.

odd that he would say it, but ): It's definitely not "can't"

youtu.be/vqKcg9I2utU

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StElmo wrote...

OK GUYS HE DEFINITELY SAYS CAN, NOT CAN'T

I USED THE MAGIC OF EDITING TO PROVE THIS. THE WAY HIS FACE MOVES AND THE SLOWED DOWN AUDIO PROVES IT HE IS UNDOUBTEDLY SAYING CAN.

odd that he would say it, but ): It's definitely not "can't"

youtu.be/vqKcg9I2utU


Still I think I hear can't... his mouth seems to say can't-tell... xD

Edit: There's a weird "t" sound there.

Modifié par Corik, 28 mai 2012 - 12:36 .


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Never mind

Modifié par DJBare, 28 mai 2012 - 12:39 .