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[UrgedDuke]

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

As I've said, the models, textures and sound effects for the predator are ONLY loaded in the Red ending. 

its the only ending that you keep your gun in tho

[SS2Dante]

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

The Carnifex is only used in bad/unusual situations, as far as I'm aware. The Predator is not only Sheps normal gun but the gun TIM takes from Anderson, sheps good side.

Now, I admit, here;s a point where the symbolism is more muddled. The Carnifex is the gun used to kill Anderson, but TIM can kill Anderson with the Predator, so that seems to contradict the idea. But we know that Anderson is dead anyway from the Carnife bullet, so possibly the Predator shot doesn't really count.

Anyway, the focus on the guns in each stage of the dream interests me a lot.

[SS2Dante]

UrgedDuke wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

As I've said, the models, textures and sound effects for the predator are ONLY loaded in the Red ending. 

its the only ending that you keep your gun in tho

But you already HAVE a gun. The Carnifex. The red endings loads two guns, while green and blue only load one.

[MadRabbit999]

UrgedDuke wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

As I've said, the models, textures and sound effects for the predator are ONLY loaded in the Red ending. 

its the only ending that you keep your gun in tho

Anybody ever theorized that the ending is actually true, but the Catalyst is a reaper AI/VI, trying to cause Sheaprd to fry him/herself on blue or jump off into a green death beam, persuading him/her away from the red choice which is the only way to trully defeat the reapers?

[UrgedDuke]

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

The Carnifex is only used in bad/unusual situations, as far as I'm aware. The Predator is not only Sheps normal gun but the gun TIM takes from Anderson, sheps good side.

Now, I admit, here;s a point where the symbolism is more muddled. The Carnifex is the gun used to kill Anderson, but TIM can kill Anderson with the Predator, so that seems to contradict the idea. But we know that Anderson is dead anyway from the Carnife bullet, so possibly the Predator shot doesn't really count.

Anyway, the focus on the guns in each stage of the dream interests me a lot.

If the Carnifex represents bad and the preditor represents good then why does Shep kill legion with a preditor and why does Anderson have the carnifex in the scene before the run to the beam

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

As I've said, the models, textures and sound effects for the predator are ONLY loaded in the Red ending. 

its the only ending that you keep your gun in tho

Anybody ever theorized that the ending is actually true, but the Catalyst is a reaper AI/VI, trying to cause Sheaprd to fry him/herself on blue or jump off into a green death beam, persuading him/her away from the red choice which is the only way to trully defeat the reapers?

Then we still run headfirst into the problem of Shepards survival.

[MadRabbit999]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

As I've said, the models, textures and sound effects for the predator are ONLY loaded in the Red ending. 

its the only ending that you keep your gun in tho

Anybody ever theorized that the ending is actually true, but the Catalyst is a reaper AI/VI, trying to cause Sheaprd to fry him/herself on blue or jump off into a green death beam, persuading him/her away from the red choice which is the only way to trully defeat the reapers?

Then we still run headfirst into the problem of Shepards survival.

I know there have been thread discussing wether Shepard wakes up in London or the citadel.. but ignoring those... Shepard has been blown off and survived a Reaper's direct beam.. I do not see it more far fetched that he/she survived a direct explosion and ended up under some rubble that shielded him/her from further rubble.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 15 mai 2012 - 04:30 .

[SS2Dante]

UrgedDuke wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

The Carnifex is only used in bad/unusual situations, as far as I'm aware. The Predator is not only Sheps normal gun but the gun TIM takes from Anderson, sheps good side.

Now, I admit, here;s a point where the symbolism is more muddled. The Carnifex is the gun used to kill Anderson, but TIM can kill Anderson with the Predator, so that seems to contradict the idea. But we know that Anderson is dead anyway from the Carnife bullet, so possibly the Predator shot doesn't really count.

Anyway, the focus on the guns in each stage of the dream interests me a lot.

If the Carnifex represents bad and the preditor represents good then why does Shep kill legion with a preditor and why does Anderson have the carnifex in the scene before the run to the beam

Aaah, now that works. I'll youtube the scene.

I'll say again that this is just a reading of meaning based on what I've seen but obviously in ME it's hard to see everything. It is entirely possible that the gun symbolism simply stops at "Predator is Sheps normal gun", hence getting it back in destroy. The bad/good dichotomy was just an idea I had when people mentioned it's used to kill Mordin, but that of course is symbolic in itself, just thought the symbolism may carry over.

EDIT - I can't find this scene, the only scene i can find is Shep killing the Geth VI. Help?

EDIT - Got it.

EDIT - it's also possible you have the Carnifex because Anderson was shown to have one when you run at the conduit, so you assume it's his when you pick it up. Yet TIM pulls a Predator from Anderson. More and more things that say that the scene is messed up.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 15 mai 2012 - 04:47 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Shepard's gun changing back to a Predator probably just means Shepard snapping out of the delusion...in the IT of course. For the real ending, it could just be a glitch. I saw it as a glitch because lots of times in my playthroughs, I had guns load on top of other guns in cutscenes for squaddies. An example is James on Mars when I told him to leave, he was using a Revenant, but there were parts of an avenger sticking out.

[SS2Dante]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Shepard's gun changing back to a Predator probably just means Shepard snapping out of the delusion...in the IT of course. For the real ending, it could just be a glitch. I saw it as a glitch because lots of times in my playthroughs, I had guns load on top of other guns in cutscenes for squaddies. An example is James on Mars when I told him to leave, he was using a Revenant, but there were parts of an avenger sticking out.

Do you mean he had a revenant equipped for gameplay? Because most, if not all of the time the game ignores what weapons you've equipped, and assigns it's own for the cutscenes.

[Boradam]

So the new current evidence that has been brought up in favor of Indoctrination Theory is the Carnifex/Predator mood association and change in Destroy, correct?

Been a bit behind, I was browsing and just saw I.T. Thread MK2.

[SS2Dante]

Boradam wrote...

So the new current evidence that has been brought up in favor of Indoctrination Theory is the Carnifex/Predator mood association and change in Destroy, correct?

Been a bit behind, I was browsing and just saw I.T. Thread MK2.

Well, mood was just me offereing an explanation for symbolism, but yes, essentially.

[Boradam]

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

So the new current evidence that has been brought up in favor of Indoctrination Theory is the Carnifex/Predator mood association and change in Destroy, correct?

Been a bit behind, I was browsing and just saw I.T. Thread MK2.

Well, mood was just me offereing an explanation for symbolism, but yes, essentially.

Okay then, were there any new finds aside from this or is it this alone?

I was replaying Mass Effect and never noticed that Vigil states that the Keepers -- prior to being freed by the Prothean Scientists -- were not controlled by the Reaper's themselves, but by a signal that emitted throughout the Citadel every 50,000 years. That's probably well known by people here, but what exactly pulsed the signal?

[HellishFiend]

Dont have time to finish catching up fully right now, but here's what I have so far. 

Bill Casey wrote...

Just curious...
Has the game been checked at all for sound outside of the range of human hearing?

While I wouldnt put it past Bioware to do that, I doubt that they did, because the only way to find it would be to analyze the game assets, and placing clues that can only be found by messing with the game's files is a precedent that I dont think any game developer wants to set. 

DJBare wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Just curious...
Has the game been checked at all for sound outside of the range of human hearing?

Aparantly there is something in the 17hz range in the game, which is also a frequency that is known to cause anxiety in some people, of course your audio equipment would need to be capable of reproducing such a low frequency, I don't think many would have anything that goes below 20hz.

Where did you read that? I have a subwoofer that is specced to reproduce down to 19hz +/- 3db, but can also (though not adveratised) produce down to about 15hz, which you cant hear, but CAN feel through your body/bones. And unless I just wasnt paying attention, I dont recall ever feeling those frequencies. Though it's possible I just missed it. Details would be good, that way I can go back and check.

For those curious:
http://www.klipsch.c...ubwoofer#second

Arian Dynas wrote...

Well, I just got a message from Priestly about why the IDT thread was locked, and yes, it was apparently because it was getting too large, he decided that since there was no chance that anyone would read through the whole thing, the discussion would continue elsewhere.

If it was locked because it was getting "too large", doesnt that lend credibility to the idea that there is some significance in the fact that the page number is 100 years after the start of the Reaper war?  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The predetor is like sheps default gun no?

yes that and the avenger, so some stupid glitch could have replaced the gun in the cutscene

As I've said, the models, textures and sound effects for the predator are ONLY loaded in the Red ending. 

its the only ending that you keep your gun in tho

Anybody ever theorized that the ending is actually true, but the Catalyst is a reaper AI/VI, trying to cause Sheaprd to fry him/herself on blue or jump off into a green death beam, persuading him/her away from the red choice which is the only way to trully defeat the reapers?

Then we still run headfirst into the problem of Shepards survival.

I know there have been thread discussing wether Shepard wakes up in London or the citadel.. but ignoring those... Shepard has been blown off and survived a Reaper's direct beam.. I do not see it more far fetched that he/she survived a direct explosion and ended up under some rubble that shielded him/her from further rubble.

As has been said several times.

There is difference in surviving small mostly light ground or air wielded explosive weaponry and indirect reaper beam attacks (we neevr see Harbinger actually hitting Shepard unlike his point precision beams on everything else)...

...as opposed to a several kilometer wide fireball with a strength in megaton class (and considering that the Citadel is made from quantum shielded material, probably quite far up the megaton scale) of which Shepard is at or near ground zero.

To put that into perspective the Hiroshima bomb completely annihilated anything within roughly 400 meters, there was nothing living there and it was only 15 Kilotons in power. On the megaton scale we are talking about the complete vaporization of any life in massive radius and Shepard is near ground zero. The heat alone (which no amount of rubble would protect him from) would turn him into ash.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 15 mai 2012 - 05:05 .

[SS2Dante]

Boradam wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

So the new current evidence that has been brought up in favor of Indoctrination Theory is the Carnifex/Predator mood association and change in Destroy, correct?

Been a bit behind, I was browsing and just saw I.T. Thread MK2.

Well, mood was just me offereing an explanation for symbolism, but yes, essentially.

Okay then, were there any new finds aside from this or is it this alone?

I was replaying Mass Effect and never noticed that Vigil states that the Keepers -- prior to being freed by the Prothean Scientists -- were not controlled by the Reaper's themselves, but by a signal that emitted throughout the Citadel every 50,000 years. That's probably well known by people here, but what exactly pulsed the signal?

Well, at the same time I noticed the red ending loads the Predator, I also noticed that the OTHER two endings also load the red endings cinematics. Red only loads it's own, but both green and blue load their own and reds as well.

EDIT - also there's pieces of the Geth Dreadnought in the Crucible room

And the game files dont refer to the Crucible as the Crucible, only as "The Device".

Modifié par SS2Dante, 15 mai 2012 - 05:13 .

[Jadebaby]

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Shepard's gun changing back to a Predator probably just means Shepard snapping out of the delusion...in the IT of course. For the real ending, it could just be a glitch. I saw it as a glitch because lots of times in my playthroughs, I had guns load on top of other guns in cutscenes for squaddies. An example is James on Mars when I told him to leave, he was using a Revenant, but there were parts of an avenger sticking out.

Do you mean he had a revenant equipped for gameplay? Because most, if not all of the time the game ignores what weapons you've equipped, and assigns it's own for the cutscenes.

This^ Usually it's just the avenger, if you're not carrying one the chances decrease. But there's still that odd cutscene where suddenly you have an avenger in your hands

[Jadebaby]

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

So the new current evidence that has been brought up in favor of Indoctrination Theory is the Carnifex/Predator mood association and change in Destroy, correct?

Been a bit behind, I was browsing and just saw I.T. Thread MK2.

Well, mood was just me offereing an explanation for symbolism, but yes, essentially.

Okay then, were there any new finds aside from this or is it this alone?

I was replaying Mass Effect and never noticed that Vigil states that the Keepers -- prior to being freed by the Prothean Scientists -- were not controlled by the Reaper's themselves, but by a signal that emitted throughout the Citadel every 50,000 years. That's probably well known by people here, but what exactly pulsed the signal?

Well, at the same time I noticed the red ending loads the Predator, I also noticed that the OTHER two endings also load the red endings cinematics. Red only loads it's own, but both green and blue load their own and reds as well.

Could you elaborate on that plz?

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Just curious...
Has the game been checked at all for sound outside of the range of human hearing?

While I wouldnt put it past Bioware to do that, I doubt that they did, because the only way to find it would be to analyze the game assets, and placing clues that can only be found by messing with the game's files is a precedent that I dont think any game developer wants to set.

Not to mention that it'd require allocated resources towards creating something buried way down the range of even sub-noticeable perception.  If they're working with limited resources and time, I'm sure that's fairly low on any form of practicality register---even considering a labyrinthine plan like the theory. Having Meer and Hale participate in the catalyst's voice is one thing; a stream of audio that takes more than a few layers of interpretive and digital processing is something altogether.  

You also would need to consider the fact that most of the clues are visual instead of aural, and that subtitles convey most of the audible clues we perceive (outside of the voices in the dream sequences, which I'm not sure if they're subtitled or not).  Honestly, I think it'd be a waste of time on their part, even with the deepest investigator in mind.  It'd be a total mind-job if that were the case. 

Someone could totally prove me wrong if they wanted, though. (laughs)

[SS2Dante]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

So the new current evidence that has been brought up in favor of Indoctrination Theory is the Carnifex/Predator mood association and change in Destroy, correct?

Been a bit behind, I was browsing and just saw I.T. Thread MK2.

Well, mood was just me offereing an explanation for symbolism, but yes, essentially.

Okay then, were there any new finds aside from this or is it this alone?

I was replaying Mass Effect and never noticed that Vigil states that the Keepers -- prior to being freed by the Prothean Scientists -- were not controlled by the Reaper's themselves, but by a signal that emitted throughout the Citadel every 50,000 years. That's probably well known by people here, but what exactly pulsed the signal?

Well, at the same time I noticed the red ending loads the Predator, I also noticed that the OTHER two endings also load the red endings cinematics. Red only loads it's own, but both green and blue load their own and reds as well.

Could you elaborate on that plz?

...not really much else to say. in the game files for the blue and green endings the red cinematics are present. I'll get a screenshot up soon.

[UrgentArchengel]

SS2Dante wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Shepard's gun changing back to a Predator probably just means Shepard snapping out of the delusion...in the IT of course. For the real ending, it could just be a glitch. I saw it as a glitch because lots of times in my playthroughs, I had guns load on top of other guns in cutscenes for squaddies. An example is James on Mars when I told him to leave, he was using a Revenant, but there were parts of an avenger sticking out.

Do you mean he had a revenant equipped for gameplay? Because most, if not all of the time the game ignores what weapons you've equipped, and assigns it's own for the cutscenes.

Yeah. When I say the picks of the Predator, it reminded me of that.

[DJBare]

pseudonymic wrote...

part of me, though, still deviates into a side theory that liara has something to do with it.

I think there are several involved, Hackett, Anderson, Liara and EDI.

Hackett is adamant the crucible reaches it's destination but has no idea what it does, when questioned by Shepard Hackett insists no matter the cost get the citadel arms open commander!

Liara nervously insist to Shepard "Shouldn't we at least try"; it does not fit with Liara's new character, insisting I can get behind, but nervousness, no it does not fit, you would expect a more confident insistance

EDI insists she should be on the mission to TIM's base where Shepard is given no choice in taking the reaper heart, this one in particular has me suspicious, it's the only war asset the player cannot refuse or avoid.


When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Yes, it's pure theory at this point, but that's what I.T is.

[NYG1991]

Lol I just noticed the warning sign next to the vent that we meet the kid has I lightning bolt going into a persons head.

Not sure if that's been pointed out before.

[TSA_383]

Any interesting news from today?

Basically, this has been my day, could do with a distraction:

[Jadebaby]

NYG1991 wrote...

Lol I just noticed the warning sign next to the vent that we meet the kid has I lightning bolt going into a persons head.

Not sure if that's been pointed out before.

Yea it has, plenty of times... But I still smiled when I read your post.