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[TSA_383]

NYG1991 wrote...

Lol I just noticed the warning sign next to the vent that we meet the kid has I lightning bolt going into a persons head.

Not sure if that's been pointed out before.

It has, still interesting though

[Stigweird85]

Boradam wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Boradam wrote...

So the new current evidence that has been brought up in favor of Indoctrination Theory is the Carnifex/Predator mood association and change in Destroy, correct?

Been a bit behind, I was browsing and just saw I.T. Thread MK2.

Well, mood was just me offereing an explanation for symbolism, but yes, essentially.

Okay then, were there any new finds aside from this or is it this alone?

I was replaying Mass Effect and never noticed that Vigil states that the Keepers -- prior to being freed by the Prothean Scientists -- were not controlled by the Reaper's themselves, but by a signal that emitted throughout the Citadel every 50,000 years. That's probably well known by people here, but what exactly pulsed the signal?

My understanding is the signal was from Harbringer who was in Dark Space. He used the signal to force the keepers to actiavte the citadel relay. However due to the Protheans work, the keepers were left immune to the signal which is why Saren had to find the conduit to the Citadel and manually activate the citadel relay to allow Harbringer and the other reapers access to civilised space

[Jadebaby]

DJBare wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Honestly, as much as I would like a twist of that magnitude, I think it's just Bioware being rushy with the ending,
Notice how in the next angle he is facing Shepard? I think it would just be the code making his eyes turn before his body. The blink before the eyes turn is what causes the suspicion.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

DJBare wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

part of me, though, still deviates into a side theory that liara has something to do with it.

I think there are several involved, Hackett, Anderson, Liara and EDI.

Hackett is adamant the crucible reaches it's destination but has no idea what it does, when questioned by Shepard Hackett insists no matter the cost get the citadel arms open commander!

Liara nervously insist to Shepard "Shouldn't we at least try"; it does not fit with Liara's new character, insisting I can get behind, but nervousness, no it does not fit, you would expect a more confident insistance

EDI insists she should be on the mission to TIM's base where Shepard is given no choice in taking the reaper heart, this one in particular has me suspicious, it's the only war asset the player cannot refuse or avoid.


When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Yes, it's pure theory at this point, but that's what I.T is.

There is certainly some oddities sourrounding the crucible...

One of the newest theories, that the Crucible should be massive Indoctrination device when paired with the Citadel is one thing i want to adress.

If that was the case, if the Reapers truly wanted the Crucible to connect to the Citadel then why take the Citadel at all? They could leave it alone like they suprisingly have done up till that point and simply let the Crucible connect if it was truly in their favor.

My personal take at the moment is that either we are truly reading to deeply into the Crucible (though there is something interesting speculation around it) or it just dosent work at all and the entire thing taking the Citadel to Earth was from the Reapers side to force a final confrontation, a final battle which they no matter your fleet size will win unless and X factor is introduced, what the Crucible is supposed to be.

I dont about, mostly becuase I dont see how the war could be won withinn the span of 1 dlc if that was the case, but who knows.

[RavenEyry]

DJBare wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Yes, it's pure theory at this point, but that's what I.T is.

So Anderson may have been subverted during his long campaign on Earth. For that matter, maybe the whole resistance has, possibly explaining their hilarious incompetence.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Honestly, as much as I would like a twist of that magnitude, I think it's just Bioware being rushy with the ending,
Notice how in the next angle he is facing Shepard? I think it would just be the code making his eyes turn before his body. The blink before the eyes turn is what causes the suspicion.

But why rush the ending and not the rest of the game? Games are not made chronologically, the ending was probably finished or beeing finalized about halfway through development.

[Jadebaby]

bigstig wrote...

My understanding is the signal was from Harbringer who was in Dark Space. He used the signal to force the keepers to actiavte the citadel relay.

 
That makes perfect sense, they even said the Reapers had to send the signal. Logically it would be Harbinger.

However due to the Protheans work, the keepers were left immune to the signal which is why Saren had to find the conduit to the Citadel and manually activate the citadel relay to allow Harbringer and the other reapers access to civilised space

So why wouldn't the Catalyst override the keepers control and activate the signal itself? Or indoctrinate someone to do it for him?

[DJBare]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Honestly, as much as I would like a twist of that magnitude, I think it's just Bioware being rushy with the ending,
Notice how in the next angle he is facing Shepard? I think it would just be the code making his eyes turn before his body. The blink before the eyes turn is what causes the suspicion.

I would agree if Anderson's eye's glitched to look in Shepards direction, but the eye movement is deliberate, and the head and eyes only focus on a character that is speaking at any particular moment, Shepard had stopped speaking before Anderson made the look.

[TSA_383]

^somebody flycammed basically the entire ending - it's interesting to watch, have a look.

[Tirian Thorn]

RavenEyry wrote...

DJBare wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Yes, it's pure theory at this point, but that's what I.T is.

So Anderson may have been subverted during his long campaign on Earth. For that matter, maybe the whole resistance has, possibly explaining their hilarious incompetence.

It's almost as if they were being lead by Zapp Brannigan. 

[Jadebaby]

lol okay, im typing this as I think it, so forgiven if it doesn't go anywhere, although i'll probably just delete it.

What IF...

The catalyst was the one indoctrinating Saren through Sovereign? Like how Harbinger "assumes direct control" but more subtely so Saren and everyone else is unaware.

This comes from Legion referring to Sovereign as "Nazara".. Now this wasn't actually what Sovereign was but what it's code identified itself as to them (IIRC). So what if it's the code of the catalyst or the citadel itself?

Nazara is also hindi for "beautiful view"... Which is something that could be associated with the Citadel more so than Sovereign.

I feel like this is stupid and it's 4am and im tired but what the hey.

[Tirian Thorn]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


lol okay, im typing this as I think it, so forgiven if it doesn't go anywhere, although i'll probably just delete it.

What IF...

The catalyst was the one indoctrinating Saren through Sovereign? Like how Harbinger "assumes direct control" but more subtely so Saren and everyone else is unaware.

This comes from Legion referring to Sovereign as "Nazara".. Now this wasn't actually what Sovereign was but what it's code identified itself as to them (IIRC). So what if it's the code of the catalyst or the citadel itself?

Nazara is also hindi for "beautiful view"... Which is something that could be associated with the Citadel more so than Sovereign.

I feel like this is stupid and it's 4am and im tired but what the hey.

There aren't really stupid speculations.  Good discussion and bouncing ideas around leads to being discussions and being ideas. 

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Honestly, as much as I would like a twist of that magnitude, I think it's just Bioware being rushy with the ending,
Notice how in the next angle he is facing Shepard? I think it would just be the code making his eyes turn before his body. The blink before the eyes turn is what causes the suspicion.

I would agree if Anderson's eye's glitched to look in Shepards direction, but the eye movement is deliberate, and the head and eyes only focus on a character that is speaking at any particular moment, Shepard had stopped speaking before Anderson made the look.

Plus the very subtle camera zoom on Anderson's face before he does his side-eye AND how this particular scene feels like a big too long for being just a simple cut after Shepard's "really?".

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 mai 2012 - 05:57 .

[Jadebaby]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

But why rush the ending and not the rest of the game? Games are not made chronologically, the ending was probably finished or beeing finalized about halfway through development.

That is, in fact, amazingly interesting. I don't know how they are made at all, but if that is the case. It will only further fuel the IDT fire.

Maybe they left that area of the game scrappy to 'appear' rushed so hints to IDT could be passed off as 'time-constraints'. ??

Leave people guessing??

Like me right now?......


....... Well played Bioware.

[Jadebaby]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

There aren't really stupid speculations.  Good discussion and bouncing ideas around leads to being discussions and being ideas. 

Yea I know, but it was pretty far-fetched.

[DJBare]

*deletes rubbish and reminds self to research better*

Modifié par DJBare, 15 mai 2012 - 06:23 .

[Parabolee77]

DJBare wrote...

Someone may have already spotted this, but the gun Shepard picks up is the predator, NOT carnifex

I think it might be the Carnifex but looks a bit like the predator from that angle, this is 5 seconds later -

Modifié par Parabolee77, 15 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[llbountyhunter]

just finished installing my new hard drive... looks like you guys had too much fun while I was out.. lol.

[Stigweird85]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

My understanding is the signal was from Harbringer who was in Dark Space. He used the signal to force the keepers to actiavte the citadel relay.

 
That makes perfect sense, they even said the Reapers had to send the signal. Logically it would be Harbinger.

However due to the Protheans work, the keepers were left immune to the signal which is why Saren had to find the conduit to the Citadel and manually activate the citadel relay to allow Harbringer and the other reapers access to civilised space

So why wouldn't the Catalyst override the keepers control and activate the signal itself? Or indoctrinate someone to do it for him?

Well that's where the problem lies, if the ghost child was on the citadel and controls the reapers why didn't he do it?

The way I see if is that the Ghost child is part of the crucible rather than t he citadel, OR is dormant on the citadel(as the keepers were) and it was the catalyst that actiavted him.

[SixG90]

TSA_383 wrote...



^somebody flycammed basically the entire ending - it's interesting to watch, have a look.

In this same video I'm hearing whispers like those frome the dreams at about 4:10. anyone hears them?

[llbountyhunter]

MaximizedAction wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard he was born in London and Shepard says really?, Anderson gives him a sideways look as if to say you bought that?, it's like he is trying to convince Shepard I am the Anderson you know, but is he really?
Anderson is also quick to correct his statement when he says all it took was the reapers to bring everyone together and one of the squad says it was Shepard, Anderson is a very close friend of Shepard, he would have been the first to say it was Shepard who bought the galaxy together, here's a vid I made to show the conversation, watch Anderson's eye's closely, that's no graphics glitch, it's a deliberate movement of the eyes www.youtube.com/watch

Honestly, as much as I would like a twist of that magnitude, I think it's just Bioware being rushy with the ending,
Notice how in the next angle he is facing Shepard? I think it would just be the code making his eyes turn before his body. The blink before the eyes turn is what causes the suspicion.

I would agree if Anderson's eye's glitched to look in Shepards direction, but the eye movement is deliberate, and the head and eyes only focus on a character that is speaking at any particular moment, Shepard had stopped speaking before Anderson made the look.

Plus the very subtle camera zoom on Anderson's face before he does his side-eye AND how this particular scene feels like a big too long for being just a simple cut after Shepard's "really?".

I might be wrong but I thought that it was brefly noted in the books that anderson really was born in london.

[RavenEyry]

Wait, it's a predator on the floor but changes into a carnifex when Shep picks it up and stays that way until the red thing blows? That has to mean... something.

[DJBare]

*deletes rubbish again*

Modifié par DJBare, 15 mai 2012 - 06:23 .

[llbountyhunter]

DJBare wrote...

Parabolee77 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Someone may have already spotted this, but the gun Shepard picks up is the predator, NOT carnifex

I think it might be the Carnifex but looks a bit like the predator from that angle, this is 5 seconds later -

Exactly, the weapon change happens too often to be a glitch, once on the citadel Shepard no longer has a weapon and then picks up another, a carnifex, then in the destroy ending it becomes a predator again before Shepard is engulfed in the explosion.

I dinno I think it looks like the carnifex lying on its side... you can see the same handdle matrial thingy in the second image.

[DJBare]

Parabolee77 wrote...


I think it might be the Carnifex but looks a bit like the predator from that angle, this is 5 seconds later -

The major difference is the predator is two tone in color, the carnifex is not.

Modifié par DJBare, 15 mai 2012 - 06:14 .