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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Ravereth wrote...

I have a strange feeling, that there's no connection between MMOs and the IT :innocent:



Pffft. I'd argue that the symptoms of MMO addiction are eerily similar to those of indoctrination.

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lex0r11 wrote...


Always retribution.
Starting with the beta where a bug made cusader strike ridiculous. Continuing through vanilla with 50/50 retri/holy because it didn't matter, in a raid we were blessing bots and healing a bit a the side. And with the addons, when retribution became raid viable.

And I still respect my friend for insisting on tanking as a paladin from day one. Never changed his mind.


Yeah, I've tanked since pally tanking actually became viable in BC. My guild had a druid main tank, two shadow priests, and a balance druid in vanilla, so we were full up on our alternative spec slots for the raid. :(

I remember back when reckoning was bugged back when it was a ret talent. It used to give you an extra attack every time you got crit, and it kept stacking until you finally attacked.

I once saw a pally solo the world boss Lord Kazzak in the Blasted Lands by exploiting that talent and getting so many extra attacks at once that the boss died instantly.

That was neat.

Modifié par byne, 29 mai 2012 - 04:32 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

*snip*

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...

His eyes suddenly change back to normal. Considering that he had prosthetics it can be classified as space magic or spontaneous regrowth.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 mai 2012 - 04:33 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

*snip*

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...


Hmmmmm. Interesting. I play total paragade/renegon Shepards, so I hadn't noticed the eyes in the suicide.

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Ravereth wrote...

I have a strange feeling, that there's no connection between MMOs and the IT :innocent:



If you have been to the last 2000 page thread, you would see sidetracking is inevitable when it comes to such a big topic as IT.

It's a law. It's desired. It's okay.
It's needed to keep us from getting mad focusing too much.




Posted Image




^_^

Modifié par lex0r11, 29 mai 2012 - 04:50 .


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paxxton wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

*snip*

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...

His eyes suddenly change back to normal. Considering that he had prosthetics it can be classified as space magic or spontaneous regrowth.


No man... they weren't prosthetics they were reaper indoc eyes from Shanxi. This is trying to symbolize that the 3 dot blue eyes really do mean indoctrination.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?



This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...


But in this picture he also has them... circles are less visible, but I can see them...

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

*snip*

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...

His eyes suddenly change back to normal. Considering that he had prosthetics it can be classified as space magic or spontaneous regrowth.


No man... they weren't prosthetics they were reaper indoc eyes from Shanxi. This is trying to symbolize that the 3 dot blue eyes really do mean indoctrination.

I know what they mean but BioWare themselves said they were prosthetic eyes.

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

*snip*

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...

His eyes suddenly change back to normal. Considering that he had prosthetics it can be classified as space magic or spontaneous regrowth.


No man... they weren't prosthetics they were reaper indoc eyes from Shanxi. This is trying to symbolize that the 3 dot blue eyes really do mean indoctrination.

I know what they mean but BioWare themselves said they were prosthetic eyes.


Link?

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

*snip*

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...

His eyes suddenly change back to normal. Considering that he had prosthetics it can be classified as space magic or spontaneous regrowth.


No man... they weren't prosthetics they were reaper indoc eyes from Shanxi. This is trying to symbolize that the 3 dot blue eyes really do mean indoctrination.


Curious question in regards to Benezia's normal eyes: have we seen another indoctrinated asari? Are their eyes somehow immune, based on their biology/mental properties?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

The reason you two are not counted as Cynics on the list is because  while yes, you do try to keep everyone grounded, and that is an important part, you also wholeheartedly beleive the IT and speculate on that. It's more reserved for people who have something of a beleif in IT, but spend their time trying to debunk it.


Ah, I misunderstood. Thanks.

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byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.


Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

Modifié par DJBare, 29 mai 2012 - 04:45 .


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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

*snip*

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...

His eyes suddenly change back to normal. Considering that he had prosthetics it can be classified as space magic or spontaneous regrowth.


No man... they weren't prosthetics they were reaper indoc eyes from Shanxi. This is trying to symbolize that the 3 dot blue eyes really do mean indoctrination.

I know what they mean but BioWare themselves said they were prosthetic eyes.


Link?

From The Art of the Mass Effect Universe (ME2 section): "A lot of attention was paid to the implants in his eyes, the intent being to give him a subtly inhuman look."

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lex0r11 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

I have a strange feeling, that there's no connection between MMOs and the IT :innocent:



If you have been to the last 2000 page thread, you would see sidetracking is inevitable when it comes to such a big topic as IT.

It's a law. It's desired. It's okay.
It's needed to keep us from getting mad from focusing too much.




^_^


Yup, I know, but I also remember that the last thread was closed because of Off- Topic :whistle:

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DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.



Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.


Holy. Sh*t.

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Ravereth wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

I have a strange feeling, that there's no connection between MMOs and the IT :innocent:



If you have been to the last 2000 page thread, you would see sidetracking is inevitable when it comes to such a big topic as IT.

It's a law. It's desired. It's okay.
It's needed to keep us from getting mad from focusing too much.




^_^


Yup, I know, but I also remember that the last thread was closed because of Off- Topic :whistle:




No, it was closed because it got too long.

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Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?

Posted Image

This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...


He still has those eyes here. They are just being drowned out a bit by the light from earth.

Even notice that when TIM dies his skin stops glowing?

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DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.


Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.


Would EDI lie about Shepard's organic nature to give him/her stronger mental resolve? Oh, crap

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I didn't hate Ash, she was a capable soldier... though slightly anoying and obstinent at times.

I mean... I got Krogan pirates, Batarian slavers and Vorcha fighting reaper husks... Why not a brutish dramaquenie pram queen wannabe? She can hold a gun, that's good enough. I wouldn't nominate he to be earths councilor or anything though...

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

I have a strange feeling, that there's no connection between MMOs and the IT :innocent:



If you have been to the last 2000 page thread, you would see sidetracking is inevitable when it comes to such a big topic as IT.

It's a law. It's desired. It's okay.
It's needed to keep us from getting mad from focusing too much.




^_^


Yup, I know, but I also remember that the last thread was closed because of Off- Topic :whistle:




No, it was closed because it got too long.


Off-Topic was the official reason. But still, why do you think it got too long? I would say because of  trolls and off-topics ;)

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DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.


Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.


Thne why didn't Eva, posing as EDI, fly the normandy into the Sun?

Remember EDI is better programmed than EVa. Eva still had AI shackles while EDI did not.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 29 mai 2012 - 05:02 .


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DJBare wrote...

Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.


Elaborate for me, if you will.  Are you suggesting that we might actually be working with Eva the entire time? Considering all the ways that EDI assists along the way, that seems odd. I understand the nature of being undercover and all, but ...

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dreamgazer wrote...

Would EDI lie about Shepard's organic nature to give him/her stronger mental resolve? Oh, crap

I don't quite understand what you are saying, what I'm saying is that might be Eva in that body, it would not be difficult for her to integrate with the Normandy and crew because she will have access to the AI core and all EDI's memories, TIM wanted Jokers psych profile, he did not ask for anyone else's psych profile, give that information to Eva and she now has the means to manipulate Joker, which of course she does successfully.

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dreamgazer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.


Elaborate for me, if you will.  Are you suggesting that we might actually be working with Eva the entire time? Considering all the ways that EDI assists along the way, that seems odd. I understand the nature of being undercover and all, but ...

You mean her killing cerberus soldiers and the like?,
TIM: sacrifices must be made
I can imagine her orders are to remain under cover at all cost.

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DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.


Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.


I think that it's just a glitch...