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[dreamgazer]

DJBare wrote...

I don't quite understand what you are saying, what I'm saying is that might be Eva in that body, it would not be difficult for her to integrate with the Normandy and crew because she will have access to the AI core and all EDI's memories, TIM wanted Jokers psych profile, he did not ask for anyone else's psych profile, give that information to Eva and she now has the means to manipulate Joker, which of course she does successfully.

DJBare wrote...

You mean her killing cerberus soldiers and the like?, 
TIM: sacrifices must be made
I can imagine her orders are to remain under cover at all cost.

 

I have no way of refuting this off the top of my head, but I simply want to out of principle because it would throw one of BioWare's strongest thematic assets---EDI's metamorphosis into a human-esque AI---out the window. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 29 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[EpyonX3]

DJBare wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

Elaborate for me, if you will.  Are you suggesting that we might actually be working with Eva the entire time? Considering all the ways that EDI assists along the way, that seems odd. I understand the nature of being undercover and all, but ...

You mean her killing cerberus soldiers and the like?,
TIM: sacrifices must be made
I can imagine her orders are to remain under cover at all cost.

But then EDI is in control of the Ship, She can cut off live support at any moment. TIM doesn't seem to care about keeping Shepard alive this time around. There would have been no value in the infiltration.

[BatmanTurian]

Ravereth wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

I have a strange feeling, that there's no connection between MMOs and the IT :innocent:

If you have been to the last 2000 page thread, you would see sidetracking is inevitable when it comes to such a big topic as IT.

It's a law. It's desired. It's okay.
It's needed to keep us from getting mad from focusing too much.

Yup, I know, but I also remember that the last thread was closed because of Off- Topic 

No, it was closed because it got too long.

Off-Topic was the official reason. But still, why do you think it got too long? I would say because of  trolls and off-topics 

Nevermind. Just looked. He said later that it was more because it was too long for new people to follow, but in the thread officially it's because it went too far off-topic.

[BatmanTurian]

Ravereth wrote...

DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.

Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

I think that it's just a glitch... 

careful... you're starting to sound like a literalist.

[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.

It makes a lot of sense if the Citadel scene was actually a representation of Harbinger's "mind".

Modifié par paxxton, 29 mai 2012 - 05:15 .

[Rosewind]

EpyonX3 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

Elaborate for me, if you will.  Are you suggesting that we might actually be working with Eva the entire time? Considering all the ways that EDI assists along the way, that seems odd. I understand the nature of being undercover and all, but ...

You mean her killing cerberus soldiers and the like?,
TIM: sacrifices must be made
I can imagine her orders are to remain under cover at all cost.

But then EDI is in control of the Ship, She can cut off live support at any moment. TIM doesn't seem to care about keeping Shepard alive this time around. There would have been no value in the infiltration.

Not to mention EDI has way more processing power then Eva does I am sure EDI would win the game of who takes over who.

Edit: Edi btw is not just Reaper and Cerberus she also that VI from Luna if you haven't forgotten and wasn't that an alliance research centre?

Modifié par Rosewind, 29 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.

Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

I think that it's just a glitch... 

careful... you're starting to sound like a literalist.

it's late here so I can't tell if you're joking. I hope you are lol

[prettz]

Bill Casey wrote...

Anyone else notice Illusive Man's eyes after you shoot him?



This only happens if Shepard shoots him...
If Illusive Man shoots himself, he still has the robot eyes...

His eyes go blue whenever a bright light source is on them
hears one where he's talking. both have his face bathed in light

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I don't quite understand what you are saying, what I'm saying is that might be Eva in that body, it would not be difficult for her to integrate with the Normandy and crew because she will have access to the AI core and all EDI's memories, TIM wanted Jokers psych profile, he did not ask for anyone else's psych profile, give that information to Eva and she now has the means to manipulate Joker, which of course she does successfully.

DJBare wrote...

You mean her killing cerberus soldiers and the like?, 
TIM: sacrifices must be made
I can imagine her orders are to remain under cover at all cost.

 

I have no way of refuting this off the top of my head, but I simply want to out of principle because it would throw one of BioWare's strongest thematic assets---EDI's metamorphosis into a human-esque AI---out the window. 

Who says Eva wouldn't want to become more human? More to the point, who says Eva doesn't actually switch sides and " fall in love": with Joker by being around the enemy too long? I don't know, DJBare's theory has some interesting weight and implications behind it that I like.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.

Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

I'd just as soon write that off as unintentional. A lot of the face/eye/mouth movement is completely automated. Either they just forgot to disable the blinking eyes flag for Eva in that situation, or they cant. After all, even Thane's eyes can be seen moving slightly after he's dead. And there are tons of other glitches with eye movement. 

And I really dont think EDI is party of any conspiracy, to be honest. I dont think we have any strong or even moderate reason to think that. If she were, her role in both IT and the core ME plot would be severely diminished. It would be a big step backwards. 

To put it in layman's terms, she's there to show us that not all synthetics are evil. Throw her into a conspiracy, or make her not even be EDI anymore, and all of a sudden she becomes a cheap plot device instead of an integral part of the story. 

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I don't quite understand what you are saying, what I'm saying is that might be Eva in that body, it would not be difficult for her to integrate with the Normandy and crew because she will have access to the AI core and all EDI's memories, TIM wanted Jokers psych profile, he did not ask for anyone else's psych profile, give that information to Eva and she now has the means to manipulate Joker, which of course she does successfully.

DJBare wrote...

You mean her killing cerberus soldiers and the like?, 
TIM: sacrifices must be made
I can imagine her orders are to remain under cover at all cost.

 

I have no way of refuting this off the top of my head, but I simply want to out of principle because it would throw one of BioWare's strongest thematic assets---EDI's metamorphosis into a human-esque AI---out the window. 

Who says Eva wouldn't want to become more human? More to the point, who says Eva doesn't actually switch sides and " fall in love": with Joker by being around the enemy too long? I don't know, DJBare's theory has some interesting weight and implications behind it that I like.

Her AI shackles would have prevented Eva from making those decisions on her own.

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.

Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

I think that it's just a glitch... 

careful... you're starting to sound like a literalist.

it's late here so I can't tell if you're joking. I hope you are lol

yeah I'm half-joking. You know:

" I think all of this symbolizes Shepard's past memories"

" No, it's just glitches, bad writing, and laziness."

[Arian Dynas]

Two reasons EDI is not a traitor.

If she was actually Eva, she could not defy her programming, and therefore would, under no circumstances have done even half the things she has to weaken Cerberus powerbase. And don't deny, Shepard did ALOT to weaken the Cerberus powerbase in ME3, and there was VERY little TIM stood to gain as a result.

And two, it would ****** an incredible number of people off and completely remove any and all investment in the character, rendering her entire arc pointless.

Anyway, on an off topic note, I was watching the music video for Another Brick in the Wall and got an idea for a novel I could write... but am not sure if I SHOULD.

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.

Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

I'd just as soon write that off as unintentional. A lot of the face/eye/mouth movement is completely automated. Either they just forgot to disable the blinking eyes flag for Eva in that situation, or they cant. After all, even Thane's eyes can be seen moving slightly after he's dead. And there are tons of other glitches with eye movement. 

And I really dont think EDI is party of any conspiracy, to be honest. I dont think we have any strong or even moderate reason to think that. If she were, her role in both IT and the core ME plot would be severely diminished. It would be a big step backwards. 

To put it in layman's terms, she's there to show us that not all synthetics are evil. Throw her into a conspiracy, or make her not even be EDI anymore, and all of a sudden she becomes a cheap plot device instead of an integral part of the story. 

ah well, taste is relative.

[Ravereth]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

DJBare wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Here, I'll just up and haphazardly throw this out there, for the hell of it: has anyone considered the possibility that Shepard's synthetic components, namely ones that assist him/her in their cognitive processes, might have been partially responsible for the Citadel sequences and the "framework" for the indoctrination attempt? Thinking about the geth virtual-reality hivemind, and them giving Shepard a gun because it's "familiar", has me wondering about the catalyst and the Shadow Broker panels.

I haven't really had a chance to throw much together in terms of an actual theory, or how it'd work.

That's where my brain was at earlier, when I was poking and prodding about the work done on Shepard's cerebral area.

Unless EDI was lying, Shepard doesnt have any of those types of synthetic components.

I lost trust in EDI at this point www.youtube.com/watch her software has been manipulated by Cerberus and that hardware is purely a Cerberus creation utilizing reaper tech.
Oh, and Eva is awake while lying on that shelf in the AI core room, go check out her eye's after you get back to the Normandy after the mars mission. www.youtube.com/watch watch the eyes closely.

Intriguingly, EDI might not even be EDI, remember she states she only requires a single instance to become accustom to a concept, and Eva like EDI is an infiltration unit.

I think that it's just a glitch... 

careful... you're starting to sound like a literalist.

Haha, no way
It just reminds me of the glitch with Thane and Kolyat beeing stuck in the hospital many missions after Thane's death.. (Thane also blinks after his death...is he alive? I don't think so) 

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...


yeah I'm half-joking. You know:

" I think all of this symbolizes Shepard's past memories"

" No, it's just glitches, bad writing, and laziness."

lol ok. Bioware isn't lazy but they sure aren't perfect programmers.

[dreamgazer]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Who says Eva wouldn't want to become more human? More to the point, who says Eva doesn't actually switch sides and " fall in love": with Joker by being around the enemy too long? I don't know, DJBare's theory has some interesting weight and implications behind it that I like.

Yeah, but it wouldn't be the same artificial intelligence that slowly "evolved" in ME2.

Also, that's a LOT of stuff going on off-screen.

I like the idea, and the structure of it, but to reveal it as an intended narrative element would, in my opinion, backstab one of the third game's crucial pieces of heart.  While I understand that BioWare went on a nihilism trip during this game, that seems ... a little far-out. 

[BatmanTurian]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Two reasons EDI is not a traitor.

If she was actually Eva, she could not defy her programming, and therefore would, under no circumstances have done even half the things she has to weaken Cerberus powerbase. And don't deny, Shepard did ALOT to weaken the Cerberus powerbase in ME3, and there was VERY little TIM stood to gain as a result.

And two, it would ****** an incredible number of people off and completely remove any and all investment in the character, rendering her entire arc pointless.

Anyway, on an off topic note, I was watching the music video for Another Brick in the Wall and got an idea for a novel I could write... but am not sure if I SHOULD.

well firstly, if she could overwrite most of EDI (which i doubt but this is just hypothetical) then EVA would become unshackled. But then she might have some of EDI in her and become some mixture of the two. Again, this is hypothetical. I'm just musing.

As for what TIM stood to gain? He had an agent on their ship who could send him information, which is why Cerberus shows up for no freaking reason sometimes, such as on Sur'Kesh.

But your third part is right. While I don't have a particularly strong attachment to EDI, I can see why it would ****** people off. But Bioware has shown, with this social experiment, that they don't mind pissing people off too much.

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


yeah I'm half-joking. You know:

" I think all of this symbolizes Shepard's past memories"

" No, it's just glitches, bad writing, and laziness."

lol ok. Bioware isn't lazy but they sure aren't perfect programmers.

I know, I was only joking.

[DJBare]

dreamgazer wrote...

I have no way of refuting this off the top of my head, but I simply want to out of principle because it would throw one of BioWare's strongest thematic assets---EDI's metamorphosis into a human-esque AI---out the window. 

Not necessarily, EDI is software and may well just be suppressed by Eva's presence
EDI: The transition was not seamless.

There was a hacking attempt that EDI did not report, all systems went off line during the struggle, that means no recording of actually what went on, no computer logs, my thoughts, EDI could not report to the crew because Eva had already taken control.

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Who says Eva wouldn't want to become more human? More to the point, who says Eva doesn't actually switch sides and " fall in love": with Joker by being around the enemy too long? I don't know, DJBare's theory has some interesting weight and implications behind it that I like.

Yeah, but it wouldn't be the same artificial intelligence that slowly "evolved" in ME2.

Also, that's a LOT of stuff going on off-screen.

I like the idea, and the structure of it, but to reveal it as an intended narrative element would, in my opinion, backstab one of the third game's crucial pieces of heart.  While I understand that BioWare went on a nihilism trip during this game, that seems ... a little far-out. 

It's just an interesting musing. I don't actually completely believe it. I just see in the narrative where it could be possible. But it would render null a lot of good scenes.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 29 mai 2012 - 05:28 .

[HellishFiend]

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'd just as soon write that off as unintentional. A lot of the face/eye/mouth movement is completely automated. Either they just forgot to disable the blinking eyes flag for Eva in that situation, or they cant. After all, even Thane's eyes can be seen moving slightly after he's dead. And there are tons of other glitches with eye movement. 

And I really dont think EDI is party of any conspiracy, to be honest. I dont think we have any strong or even moderate reason to think that. If she were, her role in both IT and the core ME plot would be severely diminished. It would be a big step backwards. 

To put it in layman's terms, she's there to show us that not all synthetics are evil. Throw her into a conspiracy, or make her not even be EDI anymore, and all of a sudden she becomes a cheap plot device instead of an integral part of the story. 

ah well, taste is relative.

I think you mean subjective, but I really dont think that applies here.

I cant come up with any good analogies at the moment because I'm tired, but just think about the role that EDI plays in the story. Think about what we've learned from her character development and how it applies to the core storyline/plot.

Now remove it from the storyline completely, because that's basically what would happen if she turned out to be part of a conspiracy. All you have is the Geth, and maybe Overlord, to further the non-reaper synthetic plotline.  

You can technically call that subjective, but quite frankly, no matter how horrible a piece of literary work is, someone out there is going to like it. That doesnt make it good. Trivializing EDI's role in the story would NOT be a good idea. 

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Two reasons EDI is not a traitor.

If she was actually Eva, she could not defy her programming, and therefore would, under no circumstances have done even half the things she has to weaken Cerberus powerbase. And don't deny, Shepard did ALOT to weaken the Cerberus powerbase in ME3, and there was VERY little TIM stood to gain as a result.

And two, it would ****** an incredible number of people off and completely remove any and all investment in the character, rendering her entire arc pointless.

Anyway, on an off topic note, I was watching the music video for Another Brick in the Wall and got an idea for a novel I could write... but am not sure if I SHOULD.

well firstly, if she could overwrite most of EDI (which i doubt but this is just hypothetical) then EVA would become unshackled. But then she might have some of EDI in her and become some mixture of the two. Again, this is hypothetical. I'm just musing.

As for what TIM stood to gain? He had an agent on their ship who could send him information, which is why Cerberus shows up for no freaking reason sometimes, such as on Sur'Kesh.

But your third part is right. While I don't have a particularly strong attachment to EDI, I can see why it would ****** people off. But Bioware has shown, with this social experiment, that they don't mind pissing people off too much.

EVA as a software was mostly dead. What EDI struggled with was a backup security measure. If the security won, it would mean that EDI is kicked out and that software would regain control of the body and most likely kill anything it sees as a threat.

I don't think EVA was in any condition for fight back against EDI.

[BatmanTurian]

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'd just as soon write that off as unintentional. A lot of the face/eye/mouth movement is completely automated. Either they just forgot to disable the blinking eyes flag for Eva in that situation, or they cant. After all, even Thane's eyes can be seen moving slightly after he's dead. And there are tons of other glitches with eye movement. 

And I really dont think EDI is party of any conspiracy, to be honest. I dont think we have any strong or even moderate reason to think that. If she were, her role in both IT and the core ME plot would be severely diminished. It would be a big step backwards. 

To put it in layman's terms, she's there to show us that not all synthetics are evil. Throw her into a conspiracy, or make her not even be EDI anymore, and all of a sudden she becomes a cheap plot device instead of an integral part of the story. 

ah well, taste is relative.

I think you mean subjective, but I really dont think that applies here.

I cant come up with any good analogies at the moment because I'm tired, but just think about the role that EDI plays in the story. Think about what we've learned from her character development and how it applies to the core storyline/plot.

Now remove it from the storyline completely, because that's basically what would happen if she turned out to be part of a conspiracy. All you have is the Geth, and maybe Overlord, to further the non-reaper synthetic plotline.  

You can technically call that subjective, but quite frankly, no matter how horrible a piece of literary work is, someone out there is going to like it. That doesnt make it good. Trivializing EDI's role in the story would NOT be a good idea. 

I agree with you, friend. I was musing about it as a hypothetical. I like a good twist, but that might be twisting the story too far.

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

EVA as a software was mostly dead. What EDI struggled with was a backup security measure. If the security won, it would mean that EDI is kicked out and that software would regain control of the body and most likely kill anything it sees as a threat.

I don't think EVA was in any condition for fight back against EDI.

Agreed.