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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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some pictures for comparison....


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predator or carfinex?

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Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...

Modifié par DaWolf, 15 mai 2012 - 06:18 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

I might be wrong but I thought that it was brefly noted in the books that anderson really was born in london.


Wait, you forgot something at the end of your sentence....


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Well, have to admit I got it wrong.

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mrs.N7 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...



^somebody flycammed basically the entire ending - it's interesting to watch, have a look.


In this same video I'm hearing whispers like those frome the dreams at about 4:10. anyone hears them?


like these?

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especially towards the end. never heard a reaper sound like that, similar but not quite like with all that clicking noise.
kinda reminds me of how geth communicate. 

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DaWolf wrote...

Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...


That is interesting. But even if the ending were 'real' than the oily shadows would be there because it's the Reapers that are controlling TIM.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I might be wrong but I thought that it was brefly noted in the books that anderson really was born in london.


Wait, you forgot something at the end of your sentence....


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I did??

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

DaWolf wrote...

Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...


That is interesting. But even if the ending were 'real' than the oily shadows would be there because it's the Reapers that are controlling TIM.


Well my opinion on IT is that this scene actually happens, reapers TRY to indoctrinate Shep (best clue: headache, whispers, shadows).. and the starchild is actually the halluzination/ reaper influence.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I might be wrong but I thought that it was brefly noted in the books that anderson really was born in london.


Wait, you forgot something at the end of your sentence....


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I did??


Was meant to be Anderson's ... oh forget it.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

DaWolf wrote...

Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...


That is interesting. But even if the ending were 'real' than the oily shadows would be there because it's the Reapers that are controlling TIM.


At one point I let the arrival clock count down to 0 at which point you get a short scene of all your friends burning(not far from how Shepard burns in the 3rd dream) but I can't rememeber exact scene. With knowledge of IT and ME3 I wonder if an Arrival failure offers anything different.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

DaWolf wrote...

Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...


That is interesting. But even if the ending were 'real' than the oily shadows would be there because it's the Reapers that are controlling TIM.


http://www.youtube.c...bIu6xG-g#t=467s

I not sure those are oily shadows... they look more like energy fields or something else to me.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

some pictures for comparison....


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predator or carfinex?


That's definitely the Carnifex. Notice the curved, bumpy structure of the gun handle. Whereas the Predator is more narrow and has these lines through it.

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But I think we can all agree the weapon is switched during the explosion of the destroy option

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Not Carnifex
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DJBare wrote...

But I think we can all agree the weapon is switched during the explosion of the destroy option

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Not Carnifex
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what are you talking about? shepard is clearly holding the carnifex. lol, I kid. :P

yeah, it definatly switched there.

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DJBare wrote...

But I think we can all agree the weapon is switched during the explosion of the destroy option

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Not Carnifex
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I concur.  There's a curvature in the last-minute destroy option pistol that, if nothing else, says "not Carnifex".

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DaWolf wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DaWolf wrote...

Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...


That is interesting. But even if the ending were 'real' than the oily shadows would be there because it's the Reapers that are controlling TIM.


Well my opinion on IT is that this scene actually happens, reapers TRY to indoctrinate Shep (best clue: headache, whispers, shadows).. and the starchild is actually the halluzination/ reaper influence.


So then im interested to know what you feel happens when Shep wakes up? If going to the Citadel was real.

I like this theory, that everything up until the elevator ride was legit. Mainly because I liked the Anderson/TIM showdown (Apart from TIM being a deja vu of Saren). But I think the reason most people say Harbingers beam is because Shep wakes up in rubble. Citadel got blown to pieces...

See.. It could be said that everything after the elevator ride is Indoc, because if it was then the citadel wouldn't have been blown up at all. But, because Shepard wakes up surrounded by rubble, I don't see how that could connect to them passing out in the control room.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

My understanding is the signal was from Harbringer who was in Dark Space. He used the signal to force the keepers to actiavte the citadel relay.

 
That makes perfect sense, they even said the Reapers had to send the signal. Logically it would be Harbinger.

However due to the Protheans work, the keepers were left immune to the signal which is why Saren had to find the conduit to the Citadel and manually activate the citadel relay to allow Harbringer and the other reapers access to civilised space


So why wouldn't the Catalyst override the keepers control and activate the signal itself? Or indoctrinate someone to do it for him?


From a literal standpoint one could simply say the Starchild had no control on the Citadel but simply was housed by it much like a Geth conciousness resides in the Network Hubs -- that is a cheap cop out answer however.

Modifié par Boradam, 15 mai 2012 - 06:40 .


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Well, son of a gun, we got a new page. Anything big happen while I was gone?

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llbountyhunter wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DaWolf wrote...

Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...


That is interesting. But even if the ending were 'real' than the oily shadows would be there because it's the Reapers that are controlling TIM.


http://www.youtube.c...bIu6xG-g#t=467s

I not sure those are oily shadows... they look more like energy fields or something else to me.



Watched the vid and am in agreement, much different, been a while since I'd seen it.


bigstig wrote...

At one point I let the arrival clock count down to 0 at which point you get a short scene of all your friends burning(not far from how Shepard burns in the 3rd dream) but I can't rememeber exact scene. With knowledge of IT and ME3 I wonder if an Arrival failure offers anything different.


Someone needs to get on this and youtube it! Great idea!

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Dwailing wrote...

Well, son of a gun, we got a new page. Anything big happen while I was gone?



I found out that carnifex actually means "executor" in latin, and then we discussed the predator gun appearing in the red ending again.

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You know what, maybe there is a pattern to all this inconsistencies. BioWare made it this way so the player can spot them and figure out that the ending sequences aren't real, that they are dreams. Actually the same kind of violation of physical laws happens in real dreams at nighttime. There is no hidden meaning in the sudden change of guns.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 mai 2012 - 06:47 .


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<- Arrival failure. I assume it's not been changed since 3's release.

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 Righto, here. I've highlighted the points that are interesting.

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Discuss!

Not an expert so if I've made a mistake lemme know, but I think this is a rather strong hint.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 15 mai 2012 - 07:14 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

DaWolf wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DaWolf wrote...

Anyone mentioned this before?:

I just finished The Arrival DLC and when Shep gets knocked to the ground by the reaper artifact he is sourrounded by the same "oily shadows" as you can see in the ending sequence with TIM and Anderson...


That is interesting. But even if the ending were 'real' than the oily shadows would be there because it's the Reapers that are controlling TIM.


Well my opinion on IT is that this scene actually happens, reapers TRY to indoctrinate Shep (best clue: headache, whispers, shadows).. and the starchild is actually the halluzination/ reaper influence.


So then im interested to know what you feel happens when Shep wakes up? If going to the Citadel was real.

I like this theory, that everything up until the elevator ride was legit. Mainly because I liked the Anderson/TIM showdown (Apart from TIM being a deja vu of Saren). But I think the reason most people say Harbingers beam is because Shep wakes up in rubble. Citadel got blown to pieces...

See.. It could be said that everything after the elevator ride is Indoc, because if it was then the citadel wouldn't have been blown up at all. But, because Shepard wakes up surrounded by rubble, I don't see how that could connect to them passing out in the control room.


Citadel blowing up is not real as well maybe - so he choses destroy and the crucible kills the reapers (no destruction of the citadel) - Shep somehow gets back to earth.... Well thats actually the same question Bioware has to face if IT is not true.

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paxxton wrote...

You know what, maybe there is a pattern to all this inconsistencies. BioWare made it this way so the player can spot them and figure out that the ending sequences aren't real, that they are dreams. Actually the same kind of violation of physical laws happens in real dreams at nighttime. There is no hidden meaning in the sudden change of guns.


Shepard releases the Rachni queen with a predator: www.youtube.com/watch
Though I don't remember if my Shep used a Predator, too.