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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

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byne wrote...

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Why a single child dying would set Shepard off, I dont really understand.

I specifically tried to make a Shepard that would lose the most people throughout the entire series.

Colonist/Sole Survivor background, killed Wrex, lost Kirrahe, sacrificed the Council, lost the entire crew to the Collectors, and only Mordin and Legion survived the Suicide mission, destroyed the genophage data so that Eve would die, shot Ash during the coup, and with all those deaths, I only care about some child I've never met before.

Forget losing basically everyone who has ever been important to me, that child died!

I really dont like that kid. Even when he's just a kid and not a godchild I still hate him.


Your point is valid. However, wouldn't that work against Literal and IT? How would the Reapers hold leverage over Shepard if he didn't care about the kid to begin with?

Could the child be the only thing Renegade Shepard actually cared about? I doubt it, so the reaper's guilt trip would have failed.


Right, and thats why I chose destroy and wasnt indoctrinated ;)


hmmm...

yeah but what about the paragon's who also picked destroy?


its very dificult to feel sorry for the starbrat at the choices point.


If someone made their choice based on the appearance on the Catalyst, then I don't know what to say.



well, the fact that the kid looked like catalyst means that this is clearly an attempt to stire up emotions, remember what bioware said, (parafrasing) "the kid will be the sole icon of the loss of lives on earth".

so if you dont think the catalists apperance was meant to influence you in some way... then I dont know what to say.:P



I'm just saying that if you chose synthesis or control just because the catalyst looked like the child and no other reason, then yeah.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

alright, who else think the reaper motives should remain clouded in mystery?

I personally think it should remain at "we are beyond your comprehension" , it makes the reapers appear more menacing, and the victory becomes that much sweeter.

otherwise bioware will explain the reaper motives and..

just like that, the magic is gone. /Edi.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm just saying that if you chose synthesis or control just because the catalyst looked like the child and no other reason, then yeah.




I think in general, Bioware just did a really good job of translating the psychological effect of the dreams/child from the game to the player. By the time I got to the choices, I was so confused and bewildered, I practically just blindly lumbered towards the pretty blue option. Same thing happened to my best friend, except he blindly lumbered into the Synthesis beam. 

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EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm just saying that if you chose synthesis or control just because the catalyst looked like the child and no other reason, then yeah.


I picked destroy partly based on him looking like the kid.

I was tired of seeing that kid, and he said destroy would get rid of him



Also:

The Crucible changed me. Created new... possibilities. But I cant make them happen.

Synthesis is the final evolution of life, but we need each other to make it happen.

Ventchild told me I could not help him.

Godchild tells me he cant do anything without my help.

If you're gonna try imitating a child I saw on Earth to get me to do what you want, do it right or dont do it at all, godchild!

I also like how his logic isnt even consistent within the one scene we see godchild in.

Explaining the Cycles:

Without us to stop them, sythetics will destroy all organic life

Trying to get me to pick Synthesis:

Synthetics are a part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?

PICK A SIDE, GODCHILD! WE'RE AT WAR!

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HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm just saying that if you chose synthesis or control just because the catalyst looked like the child and no other reason, then yeah.




I think in general, Bioware just did a really good job of translating the psychological effect of the dreams/child from the game to the player. By the time I got to the choices, I was so confused and bewildered, I practically just blindly lumbered towards the pretty blue option. Same thing happened to my best friend, except he blindly lumbered into the Synthesis beam. 


I played a sloppy first playthough and only had destroy. Had those three options been presented to me I'd pick destroy. Only because yes that is what Shepard's goals were.

I don't like synthesis because of the moral implications and even the Catalyst doesn't guarantee that Control will work. As he introduces it he says, "Or do you think you can control us." I would have LOVED to see control backfire on Shepard if he had low EMS, turning him into a husk instead of disappearing and the reapers go nuts and kill EVERY organic in the galaxy.

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I am officially addicted to MP :D

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm just saying that if you chose synthesis or control just because the catalyst looked like the child and no other reason, then yeah.


I picked destroy partly based on him looking like the kid.

I was tired of seeing that kid, and he said destroy would get rid of him



Also:

The Crucible changed me. Created new... possibilities. But I cant make them happen.

Synthesis is the final evolution of life, but we need each other to make it happen.

Ventchild told me I could not help him.

Godchild tells me he cant do anything without my help.

If you're gonna try imitating a child I saw on Earth to get me to do what you want, do it right or dont do it at all, godchild!

I also like how his logic isnt even consistent within the one scene we see godchild in.

Explaining the Cycles:

Without us to stop them, sythetics will destroy all organic life

Trying to get me to pick Synthesis:

Synthetics are a part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?

PICK A SIDE, GODCHILD! WE'RE AT WAR!


Good point.

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Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D


Back when I started it at the demo, it was like Nutella. Couldn't stop.

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Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.

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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

I think there's a geth plasma weapon in SP. Fires with increasing frequency.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 mai 2012 - 05:30 .


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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

I think there's a geth plasma weapon in SP. Fires with increasing frequency.


There is, but if I carried that, I wouldnt be able to also carry my Wraith and still have +200% cooldowns.

I wanted the plasma SMG mainly because I like how it looks on my hip. ;)

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

I think there's a geth plasma weapon in SP. Fires with increasing frequency.


There is, but if I carried that, I wouldnt be able to also carry my Wraith and still have +200% cooldowns.

I wanted the plasma SMG mainly because I like how it looks on my hip. ;)


LOL So vain Byne :P

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

I think there's a geth plasma weapon in SP. Fires with increasing frequency.


There is, but if I carried that, I wouldnt be able to also carry my Wraith and still have +200% cooldowns.

I wanted the plasma SMG mainly because I like how it looks on my hip. ;)

Well, I never take guns just to look good on my hip. I'm a biotic and throw shockwaves and novas frequently (need fast cooldowns). I also don't mind throwing grenades and mines at Banshees and Brutes.

Modifié par paxxton, 29 mai 2012 - 05:40 .


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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

I think there's a geth plasma weapon in SP. Fires with increasing frequency.


There is, but if I carried that, I wouldnt be able to also carry my Wraith and still have +200% cooldowns.

I wanted the plasma SMG mainly because I like how it looks on my hip. ;)

Well, I never take guns just to look good on my hip. I'm a biotic and throw shockwaves and novas frequently (need fast cooldowns). I also don't mind throwing grenades and mines on banshees and brutes.


With ultralight materials the SMG weighs basically nothing though, thats why I always have one on my vanguard.

Because I can.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

I think there's a geth plasma weapon in SP. Fires with increasing frequency.


There is, but if I carried that, I wouldnt be able to also carry my Wraith and still have +200% cooldowns.

I wanted the plasma SMG mainly because I like how it looks on my hip. ;)

Well, I never take guns just to look good on my hip. I'm a biotic and throw shockwaves and novas frequently (need fast cooldowns). I also don't mind throwing grenades and mines on banshees and brutes.


With ultralight materials the SMG weighs basically nothing though, thats why I always have one on my vanguard.

Because I can.

Like Aperture Science. Posted Image Your last sentence reminded me of the Portal Song.


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The reason it's a kid no matter what your Shepard is like, it goes back to the player. Remember Bioware were trying to indoctrinate you, not Shepard. So a child was a pretty good way to manipulate you because learning what makes every individual player tick would be ridiculous. You can bet your bottom dollar that a child was the best way to manipulate a very large percentage of players.

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paxxton wrote...

Like Aperture Science. Posted Image Your last sentence reminded me of the Portal Song.


I knew what you meant before you edited it and added the link. ;)

Do what we must, because we can.

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Munsterlander wrote...

The reason it's a kid no matter what your Shepard is like, it goes back to the player. Remember Bioware were trying to indoctrinate you, not Shepard. So a child was a pretty good way to manipulate you because learning what makes every individual player tick would be ridiculous. You can bet your bottom dollar that a child was the best way to manipulate a very large percentage of players.


Having a dream with the child interrupt my romance scene with Liara was a surefire way to get me to hate him, though.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Like Aperture Science. Posted Image Your last sentence reminded me of the Portal Song.


I knew what you meant before you edited it and added the link. ;)

Do what we must, because we can.

Wow, how did you know that. Posted ImagePosted Image

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Munsterlander wrote...

The reason it's a kid no matter what your Shepard is like, it goes back to the player. Remember Bioware were trying to indoctrinate you, not Shepard. So a child was a pretty good way to manipulate you because learning what makes every individual player tick would be ridiculous. You can bet your bottom dollar that a child was the best way to manipulate a very large percentage of players.


Could be:
There's a dialog on the Citadel with Liara, when she's telling you about her childhood, you had the possibility to respond with either a children are cute, or a children are annoying.
For those who chose the latter, there would be a contradiction dangling around, as early as in the next dream.

The Starbinger is very likely Starbinger.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 29 mai 2012 - 05:55 .


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Dear lord, I just got a Carnifex X, a Javelin III, a Paladin I, and a Male Quarian Engineer in one Premium Spectre Package.

Two ultra-rares and two rares in one package? Damn.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am officially addicted to MP :D

I'm not. It's nice but SP is the best.


They should add all the multiplayer DLC weapons to single player.

I would like a Geth Plasma SMG as the random SMG I carry around but never use on my vanguard main character in both single and multiplayer.

I think there's a geth plasma weapon in SP. Fires with increasing frequency.


There is, but if I carried that, I wouldnt be able to also carry my Wraith and still have +200% cooldowns.

I wanted the plasma SMG mainly because I like how it looks on my hip. ;)

Well, I never take guns just to look good on my hip. I'm a biotic and throw shockwaves and novas frequently (need fast cooldowns). I also don't mind throwing grenades and mines on banshees and brutes.


With ultralight materials the SMG weighs basically nothing though, thats why I always have one on my vanguard.

Because I can.


Though the Geth SMG is just a Spitfire with a different model, so in terms of gameplay it's a minigun, not an SMG.

Heat Sink V + Capacity V = 261 rounds Posted Image

That also means more time firing at max rate Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...


With ultralight materials the SMG weighs basically nothing though, thats why I always have one on my vanguard.

Because I can.


Though the Geth SMG is just a Spitfire with a different model, so in terms of gameplay it's a minigun, not an SMG.

Heat Sink V + Capacity V = 261 rounds Posted Image

That also means more time firing at max rate Posted Image


I used it on a human soldier once as a backup for when my Mattock ran out of ammo. Adrenaline Rush automatically reloads without you stopping. Was pretty awesome to fire nonstop through two full clips.

Modifié par byne, 29 mai 2012 - 06:07 .