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masster blaster wrote...

I just watch the God Child and Shepard conversation and I was like okay same thing but then I pad close attention to the dialog and the brat said" but we found a solution" should it have been I found a solution to bring order to the cycle.


Yeah, Starbinger is totally whacked. Sometimes its I, sometimes its We, its all over the place.

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Also the child keeps on saying we but in a way that seems reasonable except when he keeps saying " we let your species live" Instead of I let your species live by telling the Reapers to back off.

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masster blaster wrote...

I just watch the God Child and Shepard conversation and I was like okay same thing but then I pad close attention to the dialog and the brat said" but we found a solution" should it have been I found a solution to bring order to the cycle.


As far as I can recall that would be considered another logical fallucy as a machine that is created cannot have created itself. "We" shouldn't be used, but "I" should be; Reapers wouldn't have been created for the cycle if they were created before the cycle was even designed -- so it might infer that the Reapers were built prior to the cycle, and they helped the Catalyst come up with the cycles which would mean the Catalyst didn't create them (unless it's creations helped it, which would prove his own theory of the created rebelling against their creators wrong.)

Though I'm pretty sure the Starchild is a representation of Harbinger anyways, and I feel it's safe to say it's a liar... But, I'm also stupid, so eh.

Modifié par Boradam, 30 mai 2012 - 02:05 .


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Why do you refuse to do MP? Its pretty damned fun

I've attempted MP three times now, the one thing that always puts me off, I cannot relax into the game, it's why I have always preferred single player, I can pause anytime I want.

Modifié par DJBare, 30 mai 2012 - 02:04 .


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ohupthis wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

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@ TSA.

I think maybe two at most, I am starting to get into the multiplayer a bit more just because it seems like it will have a great impact on the single player aspect of the game.

 
Maybe the N7 characters we have promoted will help rescue Shepard in the Red ending when Shepard wakes up and depending of how much we have promoted Shepard can be fixed up and resume his/her mission to destroy the Reapers. 



There are going to be a lot of pissed off people if Bioware decides it's necessary to play multiplayer in order to finish the endings...




PO'd yup, but I still refuse to do ANYTHING MP, so I'll just use the 'mod' instead.Posted Image


I hope that won't be the case, and I don't believe it will be.  Just because the high EMS ending shows the breath scene, it doesn't mean that it doesn't actually happen in the lower EMS scenes---only that people with that high of an EMS have the "privilege" to view the ... hint? Easter egg?

A lower EMS doesn't show Shepard's non-breathing body. Bear that in mind.  Kind of an Schrodinger's Cat situation: it both exists and doesn't exist in that instance. 

(shrugs) 

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I can't stand the mentality of MPer's

No offense, just been there, done that, too many times.

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It's weird that the brat child says " but you can control us" US" why do I want to control the Child and the Reapers. and Shepard saying " so the Illusive man was right after all" you just spent 7 minutes talking with the Illusive man about controlling56 the Reapers is not the way and convinced him he was wrong and dies.

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dreamgazer wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

delldo wrote...

@ TSA.

I think maybe two at most, I am starting to get into the multiplayer a bit more just because it seems like it will have a great impact on the single player aspect of the game.

 
Maybe the N7 characters we have promoted will help rescue Shepard in the Red ending when Shepard wakes up and depending of how much we have promoted Shepard can be fixed up and resume his/her mission to destroy the Reapers. 



There are going to be a lot of pissed off people if Bioware decides it's necessary to play multiplayer in order to finish the endings...




PO'd yup, but I still refuse to do ANYTHING MP, so I'll just use the 'mod' instead.Posted Image


I hope that won't be the case, and I don't believe it will be.  Just because the high EMS ending shows the breath scene, it doesn't mean that it doesn't actually happen in the lower EMS scenes---only that people with that high of an EMS have the "privilege" to view the ... hint? Easter egg?

A lower EMS doesn't show Shepard's non-breathing body. Bear that in mind.  Kind of an Schrodinger's Cat situation: it both exists and doesn't exist in that instance. 

(shrugs) 


I'd like to believe the mid-mark EMS rating and high-mark has Shepard survive, but the low-mark EMS rating for destroy still put Shepard forward as indoctrinated.

Modifié par Boradam, 30 mai 2012 - 02:06 .


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ohupthis wrote...

I can't stand the mentality of MPer's

No offense, just been there, done that, too many times.


I've played tons of matches and never really run into anyone with a bad mentality.

Have you even given it a shot?

I remember I was super pissed when I originally heard ME3 was gonna have MP, but I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience  with it

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Boradam wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I just watch the God Child and Shepard conversation and I was like okay same thing but then I pad close attention to the dialog and the brat said" but we found a solution" should it have been I found a solution to bring order to the cycle.


As far as I can recall that would be considered another logical fallucy as a machine that is created cannot have created itself. "We" shouldn't be used, "I" should be.

But, I'm stupid, so eh.


lol - but thats exactly right though. He is either the controlling factor of his solution , the Reapers, or he is one of them. He can't be both.

"The Reapers are MY solution."

"No, WE only..."

Its either very sloppy writing, or a lie.

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dreamgazer wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

delldo wrote...

@ TSA.

I think maybe two at most, I am starting to get into the multiplayer a bit more just because it seems like it will have a great impact on the single player aspect of the game.

 
Maybe the N7 characters we have promoted will help rescue Shepard in the Red ending when Shepard wakes up and depending of how much we have promoted Shepard can be fixed up and resume his/her mission to destroy the Reapers. 



There are going to be a lot of pissed off people if Bioware decides it's necessary to play multiplayer in order to finish the endings...




PO'd yup, but I still refuse to do ANYTHING MP, so I'll just use the 'mod' instead.Posted Image


I hope that won't be the case, and I don't believe it will be.  Just because the high EMS ending shows the breath scene, it doesn't mean that it doesn't actually happen in the lower EMS scenes---only that people with that high of an EMS have the "privilege" to view the ... hint? Easter egg?

A lower EMS doesn't show Shepard's non-breathing body. Bear that in mind.  Kind of an Schrodinger's Cat situation: it both exists and doesn't exist in that instance. 

(shrugs) 


Uh I know for a fact, if the EMS is too low, the ENTIRE galaxy is vapourized.Posted Image

There won't be any breathing done by anything.Posted Image

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ohupthis wrote...

I can't stand the mentality of MPer's

No offense, just been there, done that, too many times.


I think this is a (mostly) different crowd, though, especially in the Bronze ranks.  I play, and not only do I not typically engage in multi-player, I actively avoid it for many of the reasons you're probably thinking.  The cooperative nature of it, and the fact that it's a fairly diverse group of players, makes it a bit different ... and pretty fun, in terms of the gameplay and strategy.

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byne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

I can't stand the mentality of MPer's

No offense, just been there, done that, too many times.


I've played tons of matches and never really run into anyone with a bad mentality.

Have you even given it a shot?

I remember I was super pissed when I originally heard ME3 was gonna have MP, but I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience  with it


Speaking of MP, I just watched a video of Vorcha gameplay, and who should I see in that match but Megumi!

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Boradam wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I just watch the God Child and Shepard conversation and I was like okay same thing but then I pad close attention to the dialog and the brat said" but we found a solution" should it have been I found a solution to bring order to the cycle.


As far as I can recall that would be considered another logical fallucy as a machine that is created cannot have created itself. "We" shouldn't be used, but "I" should be; Reapers wouldn't have been created for the cycle if they were created before the cycle was even designed -- so it might infer that the Reapers were built prior to the cycle, and they helped the Catalyst come up with the cycles which would mean the Catalyst didn't create them (unless it's creations helped it, which would prove his own theory of the created rebelling against their creators wrong.)

Though I'm pretty sure the Starchild is a representation of Harbinger anyways, and I feel it's safe to say it's a liar... But, I'm also stupid, so eh.


So does that mean the Reapers are gonig to rebel agains the God Child.:).

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byne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

I can't stand the mentality of MPer's

No offense, just been there, done that, too many times.


I've played tons of matches and never really run into anyone with a bad mentality.

Have you even given it a shot?

I remember I was super pissed when I originally heard ME3 was gonna have MP, but I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience  with it



OK to be a bit more blunt, E/A can kiss my ...

Direct enough?

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byne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

I can't stand the mentality of MPer's

No offense, just been there, done that, too many times.


I've played tons of matches and never really run into anyone with a bad mentality.

Have you even given it a shot?

I remember I was super pissed when I originally heard ME3 was gonna have MP, but I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience  with it


The only issue I ever have with MPer's is when I'm playing a Kroguard and some sniper genius decides it's best to snipe the targets I was trying to bash in for Bloodrage instead of letting me pulverize them.  <_<

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masster blaster wrote...

Boradam wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I just watch the God Child and Shepard conversation and I was like okay same thing but then I pad close attention to the dialog and the brat said" but we found a solution" should it have been I found a solution to bring order to the cycle.


As far as I can recall that would be considered another logical fallucy as a machine that is created cannot have created itself. "We" shouldn't be used, but "I" should be; Reapers wouldn't have been created for the cycle if they were created before the cycle was even designed -- so it might infer that the Reapers were built prior to the cycle, and they helped the Catalyst come up with the cycles which would mean the Catalyst didn't create them (unless it's creations helped it, which would prove his own theory of the created rebelling against their creators wrong.)

Though I'm pretty sure the Starchild is a representation of Harbinger anyways, and I feel it's safe to say it's a liar... But, I'm also stupid, so eh.


So does that mean the Reapers are gonig to rebel agains the God Child.:).


No, it just means that the God Child is a liar, wrong, and/or deceitful.

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Icinix wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I just watch the God Child and Shepard conversation and I was like okay same thing but then I pad close attention to the dialog and the brat said" but we found a solution" should it have been I found a solution to bring order to the cycle.


Yeah, Starbinger is totally whacked. Sometimes its I, sometimes its We, its all over the place.

Was the same with Harbinger, it also switched between I and We.

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Uh I know for a fact, if the EMS is too low, the ENTIRE galaxy is vapourized.Posted Image

There won't be any breathing done by anything.Posted Image


Oh, the extremely low one, yeah. But that's the equivalent of the Shepard dying scenario in ME2's end math.

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byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

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D.Sharrah wrote...

A couple of things that I noticed today when I was playing...

1. Anderson - is referred to as Admiral during one of the comm chances on the Normandy, I believe its Traynor that says, "Admiral Anderson is available on the Vid-Com, Sir."

2. Javik - actually makes quite a few apperances throughout the ship. In Jack's old "room", in the lounge talking to Garrus and a soldier, in the Mess Hall taking to James, and in the AI core arguing with EDI...may be more but that's what I saw today (and during this current playthrough).

Damn, I missed that, do you have the dialogue or perhaps a youtube of the argument?


Here it is...



I think it usually comes up after one of the mission on Rannoch...

Edit:  ninja'd by Byne...should have known that I was going to be too slow.  Posted Image


I didnt link it. You werent ninja'd by me.


Saw that after the post and initial edit...edited since...

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Boradam wrote...

The only issue I ever have with MPer's is when I'm playing a Kroguard and some sniper genius decides it's best to snipe the targets I was trying to bash in for Bloodrage instead of letting me pulverize them.  <_<


I thought that was the point, you all work together to kill the enemy, it should never be about cheevos.

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When ever I see the synthesis ending I always think to myself...where have I seen that before? Then I remember. It looks similar to the inside of the Death Star when it is firing. With that image in my head it doesn't seem like too much of a good idea anymore....

And Star child must be laughing to himself when Shepard chooses to run into it.

Star Child: "Ha, I can't believe he thought that running into a giant laser would do anything!!! Just makes a nice little zap like an electric fly swatter. Fools."

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dreamgazer wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

delldo wrote...

@ TSA.

I think maybe two at most, I am starting to get into the multiplayer a bit more just because it seems like it will have a great impact on the single player aspect of the game.

 
Maybe the N7 characters we have promoted will help rescue Shepard in the Red ending when Shepard wakes up and depending of how much we have promoted Shepard can be fixed up and resume his/her mission to destroy the Reapers. 



There are going to be a lot of pissed off people if Bioware decides it's necessary to play multiplayer in order to finish the endings...




PO'd yup, but I still refuse to do ANYTHING MP, so I'll just use the 'mod' instead.Posted Image


I hope that won't be the case, and I don't believe it will be.  Just because the high EMS ending shows the breath scene, it doesn't mean that it doesn't actually happen in the lower EMS scenes---only that people with that high of an EMS have the "privilege" to view the ... hint? Easter egg?

A lower EMS doesn't show Shepard's non-breathing body. Bear that in mind.  Kind of an Schrodinger's Cat situation: it both exists and doesn't exist in that instance. 

(shrugs) 

I hope you're right. It still sticks in my craw that I can't get the 'breath scene' EMS in SP without MP. :pinched:

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Icinix wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I just watch the God Child and Shepard conversation and I was like okay same thing but then I pad close attention to the dialog and the brat said" but we found a solution" should it have been I found a solution to bring order to the cycle.


Yeah, Starbinger is totally whacked. Sometimes its I, sometimes its We, its all over the place.

Was the same with Harbinger, it also switched between I and We.


Well then, that is even more interesting...I don't believe Sovereign made such an I / we mistake during commentary.

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ohupthis wrote...

byne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

I can't stand the mentality of MPer's

No offense, just been there, done that, too many times.


I've played tons of matches and never really run into anyone with a bad mentality.

Have you even given it a shot?

I remember I was super pissed when I originally heard ME3 was gonna have MP, but I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience  with it



OK to be a bit more blunt, E/A can kiss my ...

Direct enough?


Your loss I suppose.