
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!
#9101
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:37

#9102
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:39
Corik wrote...
prettz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Even unedited you can hear these sounds quite well (at least I do) and as the first here to point them out: I found them when regularly starting a new playthrough, I didn't look for them.
I kind of made the video to back up you clame for those that just where not hearing it.
Still I don't hear anything unusual. I'm not good at that anyway.
#9103
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:39
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Wrong, you can shoot the VS in the Udina coup.gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Not entirely. While one Shepard is not like another, it is still possible to let's say romance no on in ME1, Tali in 2 and 3, and still see Liara or the VS in the ending flashback. While on another Shepard it's possible not to recruit Tali in ME1, and have her die in ME2 so she's not even in 3. Liara Ashely and Kaiden are the only ones you have no choice about recruiting in 1, but none of them can be recruited in 2 (Liara doesn't really count as a squadmate since she's only a squadmate in DLC) and all three are guranteed squad members in ME3 (minus the VS that didn't survive ME1 obviously..
Wrong about what? I was comparing 2 different possible Shepards. But to your point if the VS is shot during the coup than you will more than likely see Liara in the flashbacks regardless if she's your LI or not. Another variable resulting in the same flashbacks and the same question: Why show Joker Anderson then your LI only if it was Liara/Ashley/Kaiden and not any other LI if any of those three weren't your Shepard's LI?
#9104
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:40
prettz wrote...
Corik wrote...
prettz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Even unedited you can hear these sounds quite well (at least I do) and as the first here to point them out: I found them when regularly starting a new playthrough, I didn't look for them.
I kind of made the video to back up you clame for those that just where not hearing it.
Still I don't hear anything unusual. I'm not good at that anyway..... I'll just have to do better in my next vid.
Probably not your fault. Maybe I just think the sounds are pretty normal for that scene.
#9105
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:40
Quilate wrote...
Well...damn. Anyone want to ask him if there WILL be any ME3 related stuff at E3? I don't tweet otherwise I would.
#9106
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:46
Corik wrote...
bigstig wrote...
paxxton wrote...
We all just have to wait until next week for the "sigh of relief" moment during E3.Corik wrote...
So we don't have any clue from Bioware yet? I'm growing desperate
Today was the first day I went out of home since I ended ME3 (last thursday). I guess it's easier to think I had overcome my depression while talking with you guys & gals. Still feeling like a zombie. Oh well... Nothing new really... time will cure it. Would be nice to have a nice ending to all this, but that never happened to me.
I could really use any good news from Bioware, though.
I'm not sure that EC will feature at E3, which is fine with me. Regardless of your opinion of the ending it is a fact that Bioware were rushed to release and didn't get the delay from EA that they asked for. as far as I'm concerned Bioware can take another 6months or a year or even longer to make the EC(Although if it takes a year I expect hugh amounts of gameplay rather than just 1-2hrs worth)
Yeah, that would be "fine". But I wish they tell us "ok, guys, don't worry, you are quite near the truth, wait and see".
Or tell us we are wrong, that whats annoying me is because they have not come out with an definitive answer.
#9107
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:46
I thought as much, just Corik didn't seem to believe that.prettz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Even unedited you can hear these sounds quite well (at least I do) and as the first here to point them out: I found them when regularly starting a new playthrough, I didn't look for them.
I kind of made the video to back up you clame for those that just where not hearing it.
#9108
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:53
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I thought as much, just Corik didn't seem to believe that.prettz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Even unedited you can hear these sounds quite well (at least I do) and as the first here to point them out: I found them when regularly starting a new playthrough, I didn't look for them.
I kind of made the video to back up you clame for those that just where not hearing it.
Not that I don't believe... I'm sure the sounds are there, but I think they are not out of situation. I mean... even when The Illusive Kid is in the vent and then disappears, when the reaper growls are heard... They have also a "literal" explanation: The reapers are around. I must admit in that case It really sound out of place, like coming from Shepard's head. And there's also TIK disappearing from the vent without making any noise.
But at this video... I found everything pretty coherent.
#9109
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:04
Pretty coherent but the sound of Reapers in your head and buzzing?Corik wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I thought as much, just Corik didn't seem to believe that.prettz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Even unedited you can hear these sounds quite well (at least I do) and as the first here to point them out: I found them when regularly starting a new playthrough, I didn't look for them.
I kind of made the video to back up you clame for those that just where not hearing it.
Not that I don't believe... I'm sure the sounds are there, but I think they are not out of situation. I mean... even when The Illusive Kid is in the vent and then disappears, when the reaper growls are heard... They have also a "literal" explanation: The reapers are around. I must admit in that case It really sound out of place, like coming from Shepard's head. And there's also TIK disappearing from the vent without making any noise.
But at this video... I found everything pretty coherent.
I mean look at it: the voices start when Shep hits her head on the ground, but any other sound is muted, and they stop when the other sounds return. Then a buzzing sound right in the moment she touches her head.
That is not how it works. The experience of waking up from being knocked out is quite fascinating (already experienced that because of dehydration) but in no way near what you hear here.
#9110
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:10
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Pretty coherent but the sound of Reapers in your head and buzzing?Corik wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I thought as much, just Corik didn't seem to believe that.prettz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Even unedited you can hear these sounds quite well (at least I do) and as the first here to point them out: I found them when regularly starting a new playthrough, I didn't look for them.
I kind of made the video to back up you clame for those that just where not hearing it.
Not that I don't believe... I'm sure the sounds are there, but I think they are not out of situation. I mean... even when The Illusive Kid is in the vent and then disappears, when the reaper growls are heard... They have also a "literal" explanation: The reapers are around. I must admit in that case It really sound out of place, like coming from Shepard's head. And there's also TIK disappearing from the vent without making any noise.
But at this video... I found everything pretty coherent.
I mean look at it: the voices start when Shep hits her head on the ground, but any other sound is muted, and they stop when the other sounds return. Then a buzzing sound right in the moment she touches her head.
That is not how it works. The experience of waking up from being knocked out is quite fascinating (already experienced that because of dehydration) but in no way near what you hear here.
I don't know. Maybe you're right and there's a clue there for us to find. But it's a very very hard one for me. I can't just agree with it if I don't feel it, hehe. But it's all good. We are here to discuss about evidences, right? This time I can't either agree or disagree... For me the sound is definetely there, but can be a clue or just inmersion. Again, for me.
#9111
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:23
paxxton wrote...
Is it worth playing Mass Effect 1 DLCs for a save import?
Yes in part, Bring Down the Sky will add something(just a reoccuring character) Pinnacle station is also on the galaxy map in ME3 but you can't visit it nor can you visit your house that you win as part of the DLC.
#9112
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:25
Big G13 wrote...
Don't start feeling like you're all alone out there. ME is the first RPG I ever played. I got hooked on it and put alot into it. Probably too much. It was a good escape from alot of RL crap. That's why the ending feels like a betrayal of some kind. Strong words for a game, I know. But there it is. Just remember it was alot of fun and it ain't over till it's over. And it ain't over yet. Hold the line soldier. The IT community has your back.Corik wrote...
So we don't have any clue from Bioware yet? I'm growing desperate
Today was the first day I went out of home since I ended ME3 (last thursday). I guess it's easier to think I had overcome my depression while talking with you guys & gals. Still feeling like a zombie. Oh well... Nothing new really... time will cure it. Would be nice to have a nice ending to all this, but that never happened to me.
I could really use any good news from Bioware, though.
*GIVES MASSIVE TEDDY BEAR HUG TO EVERYONE IN NEED!*
#9113
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:33
Arian Dynas wrote...
Big G13 wrote...
Don't start feeling like you're all alone out there. ME is the first RPG I ever played. I got hooked on it and put alot into it. Probably too much. It was a good escape from alot of RL crap. That's why the ending feels like a betrayal of some kind. Strong words for a game, I know. But there it is. Just remember it was alot of fun and it ain't over till it's over. And it ain't over yet. Hold the line soldier. The IT community has your back.Corik wrote...
So we don't have any clue from Bioware yet? I'm growing desperate
Today was the first day I went out of home since I ended ME3 (last thursday). I guess it's easier to think I had overcome my depression while talking with you guys & gals. Still feeling like a zombie. Oh well... Nothing new really... time will cure it. Would be nice to have a nice ending to all this, but that never happened to me.
I could really use any good news from Bioware, though.
*GIVES MASSIVE TEDDY BEAR HUG TO EVERYONE IN NEED!*
Thanks Arian, now I can go to bed. PS if you haven't: take a look at the last page, I was trying to think of other things the Joker Anderson LI/VS flashbacks could mean. Just looking for more pieces really.
#9114
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:40
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Btw scouted the map for signs in the alien language (some devs using that to hide some easter eggs/forshadowing) yeah the result was quite depressing xD
Lol, I did the same thing, in the game files there are the signs in english, then beside them the signs in alien. Had a quick scan and couldn't see any simple code, but I may post them up to check.
#9115
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:42
SS2Dante wrote...
So, few things.
This made me chuckle. Look like they'd hidden ANOTHER two 1M1 towers in the TIM convo.
Ok, now onto something weird. Check out the kid (looking creepy as all hell btw)
His arm is twisted. Like, corkscrewed. Now, I haven't done much digging yet (off to bed soon) but it appears that his arm is also like this in the crucible/citadel bit (during gameplay), but it was NOT like this during the control ending cutscene. Will investigate more tomorrow, just thought it was a bizarre oddity.
EDIT - "bizarre oddity". How redundant.
Quoting myself cos it kinda slipped by unnoticed, and I'll do more igging into the weird starchild glitch today.
#9116
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:42
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Wrong, you can shoot the VS in the Udina coup.gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Not entirely. While one Shepard is not like another, it is still possible to let's say romance no on in ME1, Tali in 2 and 3, and still see Liara or the VS in the ending flashback. While on another Shepard it's possible not to recruit Tali in ME1, and have her die in ME2 so she's not even in 3. Liara Ashely and Kaiden are the only ones you have no choice about recruiting in 1, but none of them can be recruited in 2 (Liara doesn't really count as a squadmate since she's only a squadmate in DLC) and all three are guranteed squad members in ME3 (minus the VS that didn't survive ME1 obviously..
Wrong about what? I was comparing 2 different possible Shepards. But to your point if the VS is shot during the coup than you will more than likely see Liara in the flashbacks regardless if she's your LI or not. Another variable resulting in the same flashbacks and the same question: Why show Joker Anderson then your LI only if it was Liara/Ashley/Kaiden and not any other LI if any of those three weren't your Shepard's LI?
Maybe the hight pitch notes that play during those three flashbacks might help draw a connection. Also, all three flashbacks are blue toned (control/Reaper color).
Also, the sounds play during the three pulses of the blue Crucible beam.
Maybe Megumi's sig might provide a hint. Thought, we haven't really theorized about Joker fitting into that.
Hm...for some reason Kaiden isn't shown in the flashbacks.
#9117
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:44
prettz wrote...
Corik wrote...
prettz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Even unedited you can hear these sounds quite well (at least I do) and as the first here to point them out: I found them when regularly starting a new playthrough, I didn't look for them.
I kind of made the video to back up you clame for those that just where not hearing it.
Still I don't hear anything unusual. I'm not good at that anyway..... I'll just have to do better in my next vid.
Put your other earbud in. You hear a hornlike sound, but you should have asked the question AFTER playing the sound, sugguestion is a very powerful thing after all.
#9118
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:45
Read it, READ IT, R E A D I T!!!
Seriously, read it. It is very, very good.
#9119
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:46
#9120
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:46
Big G13 wrote...
Arian is here. Which reminds me, this is Arian's blog. http://social.bioware.com/762642/blog/
Read it, READ IT, R E A D I T!!!
Seriously, read it. It is very, very good.
Hmm, forgot about that. Mostly moved to using threads since people couldn't find my blog.
#9121
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:48
Dwailing wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
Hey, don't go killing bad guys without me!
If we can all figure out a time that works for the three of us (And possibly MaximizedAction if he's around), then frak yeah you can come! The more ITers the merrier.
Edit: Or estebanus or Arian if they're around, too.
I could come onboard from 9 pm GMT.
#9122
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:49
MaximizedAction wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
Hey, don't go killing bad guys without me!
If we can all figure out a time that works for the three of us (And possibly MaximizedAction if he's around), then frak yeah you can come! The more ITers the merrier.
Edit: Or estebanus or Arian if they're around, too.
I could come onboard from 9 pm GMT.
I got to sleep for one, and for two I'm on PC.
#9123
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:50
If Kaidan really isn't shown it's a bug, he does exist.MaximizedAction wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Wrong, you can shoot the VS in the Udina coup.gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Not entirely. While one Shepard is not like another, it is still possible to let's say romance no on in ME1, Tali in 2 and 3, and still see Liara or the VS in the ending flashback. While on another Shepard it's possible not to recruit Tali in ME1, and have her die in ME2 so she's not even in 3. Liara Ashely and Kaiden are the only ones you have no choice about recruiting in 1, but none of them can be recruited in 2 (Liara doesn't really count as a squadmate since she's only a squadmate in DLC) and all three are guranteed squad members in ME3 (minus the VS that didn't survive ME1 obviously..
Wrong about what? I was comparing 2 different possible Shepards. But to your point if the VS is shot during the coup than you will more than likely see Liara in the flashbacks regardless if she's your LI or not. Another variable resulting in the same flashbacks and the same question: Why show Joker Anderson then your LI only if it was Liara/Ashley/Kaiden and not any other LI if any of those three weren't your Shepard's LI?
Maybe the hight pitch notes that play during those three flashbacks might help draw a connection. Also, all three flashbacks are blue toned (control/Reaper color).
Also, the sounds play during the three pulses of the blue Crucible beam.
Maybe Megumi's sig might provide a hint. Thought, we haven't really theorized about Joker fitting into that.
Hm...for some reason Kaiden isn't shown in the flashbacks.
#9124
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:52
MegumiAzusa wrote...
If Kaidan really isn't shown it's a bug, he does exist.MaximizedAction wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Wrong, you can shoot the VS in the Udina coup.gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
Not entirely. While one Shepard is not like another, it is still possible to let's say romance no on in ME1, Tali in 2 and 3, and still see Liara or the VS in the ending flashback. While on another Shepard it's possible not to recruit Tali in ME1, and have her die in ME2 so she's not even in 3. Liara Ashely and Kaiden are the only ones you have no choice about recruiting in 1, but none of them can be recruited in 2 (Liara doesn't really count as a squadmate since she's only a squadmate in DLC) and all three are guranteed squad members in ME3 (minus the VS that didn't survive ME1 obviously..
Wrong about what? I was comparing 2 different possible Shepards. But to your point if the VS is shot during the coup than you will more than likely see Liara in the flashbacks regardless if she's your LI or not. Another variable resulting in the same flashbacks and the same question: Why show Joker Anderson then your LI only if it was Liara/Ashley/Kaiden and not any other LI if any of those three weren't your Shepard's LI?
Maybe the hight pitch notes that play during those three flashbacks might help draw a connection. Also, all three flashbacks are blue toned (control/Reaper color).
Also, the sounds play during the three pulses of the blue Crucible beam.
Maybe Megumi's sig might provide a hint. Thought, we haven't really theorized about Joker fitting into that.
Hm...for some reason Kaiden isn't shown in the flashbacks.
I'm pretty sure I saw him in my playthrough.
#9125
Posté 30 mai 2012 - 11:54
Not much, they are just other characters for the same letters.Arian Dynas wrote...
What's the deal with this alien text?
But BW didn't put real effort in most signs. Other then the "LAB 5" and "ASMALI" (on the Armali ad, likely a typo) they are just letters in ascending order.




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