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Corik wrote...

I don't fully understand the second reply from Jessica. Could any of you rewrite it with other words?


There will be expansion of the endings that takes place AFTER the time period of the current endings.



Well other than multiplayer being fun as heck, the main thing this thread has agreed upon the last few pages is the train sound during Control is pretty interesting. Don't think that sound is a coincidence. 

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Corik wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Corik wrote...

That's great, fine. But this has gone too far. They should end this experiment right now... They made it brilliantly, lots of people changed their mind in the last 5 minutes of the game and did what the reapers wanted. Now... please, proceed with the story.

This is where you have to be like Shepard, cool under fire and pressure, and a great deal of patience, personally I'm doing ok *twitch*


I guess you're right.

It gets to me also at times, especially when reading the anti I.T posts, but the EC will give me closure no matter what the outcome is, if it turns out to be I.T I'll give a cheer, if not, well lets hope it's still good enough to keep the fans interested.

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did they actually say when EC would be released other than "this summer"


The later... the better. But no, no other info.


i agree I want them to take their time but the wait is getting to me

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I still wanna know why the boys arm is literally twisted. Weird glitch to happen.

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SS2Dante wrote...

I still wanna know why the boys arm is literally twisted. Weird glitch to happen.



The glitch is quite common, actually. I've seen this happen several times to Ashley on missions. Her arm also suddenly twists that way.

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 TSA, here

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Stop - code 89

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DJBare wrote...

Corik wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Corik wrote...

That's great, fine. But this has gone too far. They should end this experiment right now... They made it brilliantly, lots of people changed their mind in the last 5 minutes of the game and did what the reapers wanted. Now... please, proceed with the story.

This is where you have to be like Shepard, cool under fire and pressure, and a great deal of patience, personally I'm doing ok *twitch*


I guess you're right.

It gets to me also at times, especially when reading the anti I.T posts, but the EC will give me closure no matter what the outcome is, if it turns out to be I.T I'll give a cheer, if not, well lets hope it's still good enough to keep the fans interested.


I think folks should probably keep being patient.  

I can wait for any sort of surprise that BioWare has up their sleeve, and I can do so until after the summer movie season wraps up---which, between Prometheus and The Dark Knight Rises (and a few other noteworthy movies), this discussion will turn into white noise amid the geek culture discussion for about two months.  If I were BioWare right now and I were looking at Prometheus square in the face, I'd want to avoid releasing around it like the plague.

I do, however, think it's time for them to throw out a bone with a hefty chunk of meat on it, to sate everyone's appetite.  That's why I mentioned revealing the catalyst's nature in the first scene. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 30 mai 2012 - 02:01 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Corik wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Corik wrote...

That's great, fine. But this has gone too far. They should end this experiment right now... They made it brilliantly, lots of people changed their mind in the last 5 minutes of the game and did what the reapers wanted. Now... please, proceed with the story.

This is where you have to be like Shepard, cool under fire and pressure, and a great deal of patience, personally I'm doing ok *twitch*


I guess you're right.

It gets to me also at times, especially when reading the anti I.T posts, but the EC will give me closure no matter what the outcome is, if it turns out to be I.T I'll give a cheer, if not, well lets hope it's still good enough to keep the fans interested.


I think folks should probably keep being patient.  

I can wait for any sort of surprise that BioWare has up their sleeve, and I can do so until after the summer movie season wraps up---which, between Prometheus and The Dark Knight Rises (and a few other noteworthy movies), this discussion will turn into white noise amid the geek culture discussion for about two months.  If I were BioWare right now and I were looking at Prometheus square in the face, I'd want to avoid releasing around it like the plague, too.

I do, however, think it's time for them to throw out a bone with a hefty chunk of meat on it, to sate everyone's appetite.  That's why I mentioned revealing the catalyst's nature in the first scene. 


I can wait. I just want someone to say me "Don't worry mate, you will be happy with the ending". I don't need to know if IT is true, or how the reapers are destroyed, or... anything. I just need to know I will be proud and I will feel chills like I did when I finished ME1 and ME2.

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a little off topic but does anyone else think that the song "a future for the krogan" sound like its from dragon age

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Corik wrote...

I can wait. I just want someone to say me "Don't worry mate, you will be happy with the ending". I don't need to know if IT is true, or how the reapers are destroyed, or... anything. I just need to know I will be proud and I will feel chills like I did when I finished ME1 and ME2.


Trust me: I'm highly anticipating whatever BioWare's going to release, as well. But I'm also thinking about it from a business perspective, and the fluctuations of marketing and PR during the summer and in the current climate. 

Everyone's vying for attention.  Hell, between those heavy-hitters I mentioned (and, as a Pixar nerd myself, Brave), I keep forgetting that a new Spider-Man movie is coming out.  There's a lot going on, and then you add summer vacations, swimming, and barbecues to the mix---not to mention Diablo III on the gaming front.  Honestly, I would have pulled the curtain on this plot twist at the end of May, before all that, if they're going to execute it the way many who feel the theory suggests.  

At this point, and things have assuredly changed in terms of audience perception, waiting will be very beneficial for the game's mystery and the buzz it will generate.  Coming up in June and July, it'll be like yelling cool stuff through a bullhorn when you've got voice after voice in the entertainment industry already yelling through one---and in the case of WB and Fox, and the mix of Ridley Scott and Christopher Nolan fans, they're going to be yelling a LOT louder. 

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MadRabbit999 wrote...

Corik wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Reading something from the poster above... and in reply to his 1-2 hours gameplay... that is not what EC will be about, it will only provide scenes, not gameplay.

And a good estimate is around 15+ minutes more of scenes in order to fill all the gaps and the "what happens after" bits, and not 2 hours.


That was confirmed via twitter by.... I don't remember who. Basically someone twitted to whine about EC not having gameplay, the answer was "When have we said that?" (something like that).


Then as far as I can remember, they contradicted a previous statement I have read on these boards [Chris Priestly quote in sig].

Unless... of course you would be having gameplay, because the EC will add scenes possibly during the already existing end gameplay part (To fill plotholes), but it doesn;t mean it will "add" new gameplay... in new scenes...

Also.. someone up here said 6 months to make? Do you really think they are focusing the whole team effort to do this? Again, as far as we know it could be only the animation team involved to do new scenes.



Yesterday, Chris Priestly got confused on what date the MP Rebellion DLC was coming out.  He apologized later, no big deal but this god status we give his quotes are misplaced.  The buck doesn't stop with him and I don't think he knows all the things he portrays to know.

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Guys, some new evidence for the IT may have been found. Check this thread out:

http://social.biowar...2642/2#12317135

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estebanus wrote...

Guys, some new evidence for the IT may have been found. Check this thread out:

http://social.biowar...2642/2#12317135


Eh, we've talked about that before but I personally don't think there's an extra voice in there. Very very subtle if it is.

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Also, Jennifer Hale (Femshep) has started to do voice-over for the EC (I think)!

Link: https://twitter.com/...516800747962370

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estebanus wrote...

Guys, some new evidence for the IT may have been found. Check this thread out:

http://social.biowar...2642/2#12317135


I'll say this: sometimes actors voice one or two lines of dialogue (or even participate in a full role) without receiving an end credit, sometimes due to storytelling reasons and others due to Screen Actors' Guild complications.  It's entirely possible that Keith Szarabajka may have recorded a stray line here and there and not received "recognition" at the end.And, of course, it's entirely possible that one of the "Additional Voices" replicated the verbal registry.  

Sounds pretty darn deep, throaty, and ominous at that point to me. I'm biased, of course. 

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dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Guys, some new evidence for the IT may have been found. Check this thread out:

http://social.biowar...2642/2#12317135


I'll say this: sometimes actors voice one or two lines of dialogue (or even participate in a full role) without receiving an end credit, sometimes due to storytelling reasons and others due to Screen Actors' Guild complications.  It's entirely possible that Keith Szarabajka may have recorded a stray line here and there and not received "recognition" at the end.And, of course, it's entirely possible that one of the "Additional Voices" replicated the verbal registry.  

Sounds pretty darn deep, throaty, and ominous at that point to me. I'm biased, of course. 



Keith Szarabajka is listed under "additional voices" in the end credits.

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Bill Casey wrote...

You know the weird out of place train sound in the Control ending?
I've been looking at a little dream symbolism...



http://www.shirleyma...ams/article-142

Trains in dreams symbolize a feeling of someone else controlling your life.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Dream-Interpretation-2204/2008/6/Dream-train-loss-ex.htm

A train as a mode of transportation is one in which you have no control over the route or destination. Riding on a train is sort of like letting life take you where it will.

http://www.focusing.org/gendlin/docs/gol_2169.html

A train: it transports and can take you somewhere, but you don't control its moving

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Importance-of-The-Dream-Symbols-in-Dream-Translation&id=6886519

The train - When you travel by train in dreams this means that your life is following a known route limited by the trails. You have no chances to follow a different lifestyle or discover something different.


Repost.

Just because I think it is THAT awesome a find. Say what you want, but to me this is nearly as good as the gun swap. It just fits so perfectly within the scene.

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estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Guys, some new evidence for the IT may have been found. Check this thread out:

http://social.biowar...2642/2#12317135


I'll say this: sometimes actors voice one or two lines of dialogue (or even participate in a full role) without receiving an end credit, sometimes due to storytelling reasons and others due to Screen Actors' Guild complications.  It's entirely possible that Keith Szarabajka may have recorded a stray line here and there and not received "recognition" at the end.And, of course, it's entirely possible that one of the "Additional Voices" replicated the verbal registry.  

Sounds pretty darn deep, throaty, and ominous at that point to me. I'm biased, of course. 



Keith Szarabajka is listed under "additional voices" in the end credits.


Yeah, I was actually coming in to rectify my statement after looking closer at the IMDB registry.  I thought I had remembered doing so at the beginning of all this and not seeing his name there.  

Nevermind, point null and void.  Well, mostly. (laughs)

Not seeing Harbinger's name in the list shouldn't be indicative one way or the other.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 30 mai 2012 - 02:35 .


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DJBare wrote...

It does not take 6 months to do 15 minutes of cut scenes.


I don't know much about the developement cycle of a game but assuming that Bioware started working on Mass Effect 3 immediatly after Mass Effect 2 shipped that gives a dev time of 2 years 3 months approx.

EC announced near two months ago in early April  with a summer release(June-Aug) it's not at E3 so I would assume late summer.

So assuming an August release would give them anything upto 4 months to develop something which is roughly 15% of the original developement time.  I expect a lot more that 15minutes of cutscene. 

 

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SS2Dante wrote...

 TSA, here

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Stop - code 89


Is the small print at the bottom of the sign legible with flycam?

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bigstig wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It does not take 6 months to do 15 minutes of cut scenes.


I don't know much about the developement cycle of a game but assuming that Bioware started working on Mass Effect 3 immediatly after Mass Effect 2 shipped that gives a dev time of 2 years 3 months approx.

EC announced near two months ago in early April  with a summer release(June-Aug) it's not at E3 so I would assume late summer.

So assuming an August release would give them anything upto 4 months to develop something which is roughly 15% of the original developement time.  I expect a lot more that 15minutes of cutscene. 

 



I agree.

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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

 TSA, here

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Stop - code 89


Is the small print at the bottom of the sign legible with flycam?


Nope.

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SS2Dante wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

 TSA, here

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Stop - code 89


Is the small print at the bottom of the sign legible with flycam?


Nope.


OK... time to start finding references to the number 89... Posted Image

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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

 TSA, here

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Stop - code 89


Is the small print at the bottom of the sign legible with flycam?


Nope.


OK... time to start finding references to the number 89... Posted Image


Well... The Berlin wall fell in 1989...

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Corik wrote...

I don't fully understand the second reply from Jessica. Could any of you rewrite it with other words?



Interesting, the way I read it is:

There will be parts of the expansion that can be considered as post ending. i.e. The EC will include events after the choices.

However, the stargazer scene could be considered POST ending so it could just be an expansion of that.