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[HellishFiend]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I've repeated this numerous times over how many threads I don't know.

That scene is. Too. Messed. Up. To. Be. Real.

I really don't understand taking it at face value, I wish I could understand, but I don't.

Stargazer, I take it.  It's ... uh, unusual. I honestly still don't know what to do with it, or how to interpret it. 

The only thing I take from it is "One More Story" which should speak for itself.

Another big giveaway is that the scene is exactly the same regardless of which ending you pick. I dont care whether you believe in fate, convergence, or even the butterfly effect, there is no way those staggeringly different choices each result in that same exact conversation in the future. Even Synthesis, which basically rewrites the entire galaxy. 

[Rosewind]

Corik wrote...

Any speculation about the crystal Eva (the Krogan female) gives you? Just played that again... but didn't find a use or mention to the crystal in the game. It's also a one time conversation.

It's Eve, Eva the robot Edi takes over.

[Dwailing]

Edit: Ignore, it must have been something on my end.

Modifié par Dwailing, 30 mai 2012 - 09:54 .

[IronSabbath88]

Rosewind wrote...

Corik wrote...

Any speculation about the crystal Eva (the Krogan female) gives you? Just played that again... but didn't find a use or mention to the crystal in the game. It's also a one time conversation.

It's Eve, Eva the robot Edi takes over.

Or Urdnot Bakara, if you wish to get techincal.

[Icinix]

dreamgazer wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I've repeated this numerous times over how many threads I don't know.

That scene is. Too. Messed. Up. To. Be. Real.

I really don't understand taking it at face value, I wish I could understand, but I don't.

Stargazer, I take it.  It's ... uh, unusual. I honestly still don't know what to do with it, or how to interpret it. 

Yeah it doesn't fit in with any ending you chose, or really anything.

When I read my first reviews about ME3 before I played it - a few places mentioned there was an end credits scene that was not game related but more a little scene about the wonder of sci-fi and where its stories can take us etc.

I tend to agree.

Of course, not that long ago Buzz Aldrin was in Australia and he got a reputation for being an arrogant ****** so that kind of killed it a bit. Then there was the voice acting....shudder. I don't know, maybe if I'd liked the ending it would have been more touching or something.

[Corik]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Corik wrote...

Any speculation about the crystal Eva (the Krogan female) gives you? Just played that again... but didn't find a use or mention to the crystal in the game. It's also a one time conversation.

It's Eve, Eva the robot Edi takes over.

Or Urdnot Bakara, if you wish to get techincal.

Both of you knew what I mean. (Btw, translation issue, in Spanish Eve is translated as Eva )

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I've repeated this numerous times over how many threads I don't know.

That scene is. Too. Messed. Up. To. Be. Real.

I really don't understand taking it at face value, I wish I could understand, but I don't.

Stargazer, I take it.  It's ... uh, unusual. I honestly still don't know what to do with it, or how to interpret it. 

The only thing I take from it is "One More Story" which should speak for itself.

Another big giveaway is that the scene is exactly the same regardless of which ending you pick. I dont care whether you believe in fate, convergence, or even the butterfly effect, there is no way those staggeringly different choices each result in that same exact conversation in the future. Even Synthesis, which basically rewrites the entire galaxy. 

I don't know, it could also be seen as an olive-branch of reassurance to the audience that it didn't matter which one you picked: humanity pretty much ended up at the same place, and had a heroic story to tell about "the Shepard". 

<_<

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Another big giveaway is that the scene is exactly the same regardless of which ending you pick. I dont care whether you believe in fate, convergence, or even the butterfly effect, there is no way those staggeringly different choices each result in that same exact conversation in the future. Even Synthesis, which basically rewrites the entire galaxy. 

I don't know, it could also be seen as an olive-branch of reassurance to the audience that it didn't matter which one you picked: humanity pretty much ended up at the same place, and had a heroic story to tell about "the Shepard". 

<_<

Of course, Bioware intentionally made (almost) all of the clues have an alternate double meaning in order to preserve the mystery and speculation. 

A lot of people say Bioware = 

I say Bioware = 

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

I say Bioware = 

Oh, I ultimately agree. I just don't know what to do with that epilogue.  

It has a similar issue to the relay explosions and the Normandy crash: no anchor, only raw, untethered interpretation and speculation that occurs out of the blue.  

[HellishFiend]

dreamgazer wrote...


Oh, I ultimately agree. I just don't know what to do with that epilogue.  

Did you read the OP of my thread that I posted on the previous page? I figured out what to do with it.... 

[dreamgazer]

Icinix wrote...

Yeah it doesn't fit in with any ending you chose, or really anything.

When I read my first reviews about ME3 before I played it - a few places mentioned there was an end credits scene that was not game related but more a little scene about the wonder of sci-fi and where its stories can take us etc.

I tend to agree.

As do I, mostly.  Its lack of connectivity troubles me more than it leaves me basking in wonder.

[Rosewind]

Corik wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Corik wrote...

Any speculation about the crystal Eva (the Krogan female) gives you? Just played that again... but didn't find a use or mention to the crystal in the game. It's also a one time conversation.

It's Eve, Eva the robot Edi takes over.

Or Urdnot Bakara, if you wish to get techincal.

Both of you knew what I mean. (Btw, translation issue, in Spanish Eve is translated as Eva )

Then whats Eva's name?

Edit: Side note I just got the most awesomnesssss sniper-rifle ever

Modifié par Rosewind, 30 mai 2012 - 10:22 .

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


Oh, I ultimately agree. I just don't know what to do with that epilogue.  

Did you read the OP of my thread that I posted on the previous page? I figured out what to do with it.... 

I like the sentiment behind what you pulled from the dialogue's meanings, and I actually think BioWare intended similar thoughts to yours.  It's just ... yikes.  From a narrative perspective, it's just dangling there. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 30 mai 2012 - 10:18 .

[EpyonX3]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Corik wrote...

Any speculation about the crystal Eva (the Krogan female) gives you? Just played that again... but didn't find a use or mention to the crystal in the game. It's also a one time conversation.

It's Eve, Eva the robot Edi takes over.

Or Urdnot Bakara, if you wish to get techincal.

Wow you must be a really close friend of hers. She only tells an exclusive amount of people her name.

[Rosewind]

EpyonX3 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Corik wrote...

Any speculation about the crystal Eva (the Krogan female) gives you? Just played that again... but didn't find a use or mention to the crystal in the game. It's also a one time conversation.

It's Eve, Eva the robot Edi takes over.

Or Urdnot Bakara, if you wish to get techincal.

Wow you must be a really close friend of hers. She only tells an exclusive amount of people her name.

Technically she only tells one person when you think about it and that's Shepard.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another point in the talk with the child:
"The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle."
Didn't every Reaper you've met say something like "You are chaos, we represent order." which has nothing to do with anything being wiped out?

Just relistened to the 'dialog':
"Releasing the Crucible's energy will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

So...how is a 'cycle' actually defined?

If it's this sequence of 50k years, then why does the kid say, "A way to restore order for the next cycle"? Was there a cycle before that?

If it's one 50k year period, the kid also said, that Shepard's choice "will end the cycle". Well, isn't that what the Reapers are trying to accomplish, anyway? End the cycle by restoring order for the next one?

[Bill Casey]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another point in the talk with the child:
"The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle."
Didn't every Reaper you've met say something like "You are chaos, we represent order." which has nothing to do with anything being wiped out?

Just relistened to the 'dialog':
"Releasing the Crucible's energy will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

So...how is a 'cycle' actually defined?

If it's this sequence of 50k years, then why does the kid say, "A way to restore order for the next cycle"? Was there a cycle before that?

If it's one 50k year period, the kid also said, that Shepard's choice "will end the cycle". Well, isn't that what the Reapers are trying to accomplish, anyway? End the cycle by restoring order for the next one?

The whole thing smells of this...

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FalseReassurance

Modifié par Bill Casey, 30 mai 2012 - 10:58 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Bill Casey wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another point in the talk with the child:
"The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle."
Didn't every Reaper you've met say something like "You are chaos, we represent order." which has nothing to do with anything being wiped out?

Just relistened to the 'dialog':
"Releasing the Crucible's energy will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

So...how is a 'cycle' actually defined?

If it's this sequence of 50k years, then why does the kid say, "A way to restore order for the next cycle"? Was there a cycle before that?

If it's one 50k year period, the kid also said, that Shepard's choice "will end the cycle". Well, isn't that what the Reapers are trying to accomplish, anyway? End the cycle by restoring order for the next one?

The whole thing smells of this...

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FalseReassurance

A cycle is defined by the Reapers returning to dark space at it's start and end. 50k years is only a rough number which can vary, sooner if the vanguard sees need for harvesting earlier, or later if the species aren't ready.
There is a difference between cycle, as in one unit of the whole that repeats over and over, and cycle, as in the whole.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 30 mai 2012 - 11:17 .

[NoSpin]

HellishFiend wrote...


Another big giveaway is that the scene is exactly the same regardless of which ending you pick. I dont care whether you believe in fate, convergence, or even the butterfly effect, there is no way those staggeringly different choices each result in that same exact conversation in the future. Even Synthesis, which basically rewrites the entire galaxy. 

I've never thought about it that way before, hmmm.......


Or you could say that each ending always results in the same fate for the Normandy crew, so the cutscene is always the same because they are always stuck there, hundreds of light years from any other species. (Assuming the Stargazer is on the planet the Normandy crashed on, and assuming that they were able to somehow reproduce with their very limited population).

One possibility is utterly brilliant, the other is riddled with plot holes. Seems like a pattern here.....

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another point in the talk with the child:
"The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle."
Didn't every Reaper you've met say something like "You are chaos, we represent order." which has nothing to do with anything being wiped out?

Just relistened to the 'dialog':
"Releasing the Crucible's energy will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

So...how is a 'cycle' actually defined?

If it's this sequence of 50k years, then why does the kid say, "A way to restore order for the next cycle"? Was there a cycle before that?

If it's one 50k year period, the kid also said, that Shepard's choice "will end the cycle". Well, isn't that what the Reapers are trying to accomplish, anyway? End the cycle by restoring order for the next one?

The whole thing smells of this...

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FalseReassurance

A cycle is defined by the Reapers returning to dark space at it's start and end. 50k years is only a rough number which can vary, sooner if the vanguard sees need for harvesting earlier, or later if the species aren't ready.

Aha, ok then. So the Catalyst never gave a guarantee that this makes it the last cycle.

Hm, maybe I should stop poking wholes in an other airtight logic.

[MegumiAzusa]

NoSpin wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Another big giveaway is that the scene is exactly the same regardless of which ending you pick. I dont care whether you believe in fate, convergence, or even the butterfly effect, there is no way those staggeringly different choices each result in that same exact conversation in the future. Even Synthesis, which basically rewrites the entire galaxy. 

I've never thought about it that way before, hmmm.......


Or you could say that each ending always results in the same fate for the Normandy crew, so the cutscene is always the same because they are always stuck there, hundreds of light years from any other species. (Assuming the Stargazer is on the planet the Normandy crashed on, and assuming that they were able to somehow reproduce with their very limited population).

One possibility is utterly brilliant, the other is riddled with plot holes. Seems like a pattern here.....

You could argue as you only silhouettes and the plants are covered with snow you can't tell if synthesis is chosen anyway.

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another point in the talk with the child:
"The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle."
Didn't every Reaper you've met say something like "You are chaos, we represent order." which has nothing to do with anything being wiped out?

Just relistened to the 'dialog':
"Releasing the Crucible's energy will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays."

So...how is a 'cycle' actually defined?

If it's this sequence of 50k years, then why does the kid say, "A way to restore order for the next cycle"? Was there a cycle before that?

If it's one 50k year period, the kid also said, that Shepard's choice "will end the cycle". Well, isn't that what the Reapers are trying to accomplish, anyway? End the cycle by restoring order for the next one?

The whole thing smells of this...

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FalseReassurance

A cycle is defined by the Reapers returning to dark space at it's start and end. 50k years is only a rough number which can vary, sooner if the vanguard sees need for harvesting earlier, or later if the species aren't ready.

Aha, ok then. So the Catalyst never gave a guarantee that this makes it the last cycle.

Hm, maybe I should stop poking wholes in an other airtight logic.

See my edit "There is a difference between cycle, as in one unit of the whole that repeats over and over, and cycle, as in the whole." though he can be "sly" and really only have the current cycle in mind
"In my cycle we used the rachni as living weapons."
vs
"We've created this cycle so that never happens."
same word, different meaning.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 30 mai 2012 - 11:24 .

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


Oh, I ultimately agree. I just don't know what to do with that epilogue.  

Did you read the OP of my thread that I posted on the previous page? I figured out what to do with it.... 

Personally, I like it.

We've got a giant addressing Shepard, telling him about one more story to come, saying there were more details to be found and for us to be patient since anything we can come up with could be present.

[UrgedDuke]

kind of off topic but a banshee just spawned twice when fighting Cerberus

[MegumiAzusa]

UrgedDuke wrote...

kind of off topic but a banshee just spawned twice when fighting Cerberus

http://blog.bioware....ion-shieldwall/