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[D.Sharrah]

Good night all...

[MegumiAzusa]

D.Sharrah wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

What if in the scene where the Normandy has crashed the Normandy is in fact a symbol for Shepard?
Before the attack on the Cerberus HQ it's made clear that the Normandy is for Shepard what EDI is for Joker.
In ME2 the original Normandy dies, Shepard dies. Then Shepard gets resurrected and the Normandy reborn.

But the Normandy crashes no matter what and it's always fine no matter what.

Megumi if I am wrong please correct me...I think what she is trying to get across is that Shep and the Normandy may be linked...She gave an example of how their fates seemed to be intertwined in ME 2, and posed the question (assuming that the perceived relationship is intentional), does this relationship have any impact of the ending crash sequence of the Normandy in ME 3...or in other words does the fact that the Normandy crashes but remians somewhat intact, provide a clue that Shep is aslo "crashed" but ok.

Yes, additionally the background noise produced by animals etc is present in 3 different versions. One standard version that plays if you also see your crew leaving the Normandy, one version for Synthesis as it also includes the sounds of EDIs joints and the scene is slightly longer, and one version when you can't see someone exiting. The interesting point here is the last version is called "shepdead" and is quite different from the other versions, which are rather similar to each other.

[NoSpin]

Whoa, I really like the idea that the Normandy kinda represents Shepard. Both are killed at the beginning of ME2. Both are rebuilt by Cerberus. Both are broken, but not dead, at the end of ME3.

Not sure it goes any deeper than that, but pretty cool.

[HellishFiend]

NoSpin wrote...

Whoa, I really like the idea that the Normandy kinda represents Shepard. Both are killed at the beginning of ME2. Both are rebuilt by Cerberus. Both are broken, but not dead, at the end of ME3.

Not sure it goes any deeper than that, but pretty cool.

So what would that make EDI? 

Implications...problematic.

[DJBare]

Bill Casey wrote...

Let go! of the stars, the stars that fell into the sea
Let go! of your thoughts and dreams,
What can you see now(?)

Interesting words.

[plfranke]

I'm not so much arguing whether there is symbolism or not Megumi I probably worded my other post wrong. What I meant to say was, what do you think this means for indoctrination theory if anything.

[MegumiAzusa]

plfranke wrote...

I'm not so much arguing whether there is symbolism or not Megumi I probably worded my other post wrong. What I meant to say was, what do you think this means for indoctrination theory if anything.

Maybe that Shep is still alive even you don't get the Shep alive movie, when you see your crew exiting. I could guess it's some kind of symbolism for hope. What exactly the meaning towards IT is... idk, maybe there is none as you could just say it works in any case?

[Destructorlio]

Are Bioware even exhibiting at E3? Doesn't look like it:

http://e312.mapyours...E3D1234D897A151

Anyway, someone bought up the idea in another thread that the 'Synthesis' option is SO DUMB, as in, so utterly scientifically implausible and stupid that you could merge organic DNA with... whatever the equivalent of DNA is in machines... that in and of itself it should stand as evidence for IT, because it's clearly Shepard's deluded mind making up this ridiculous 'everyone is joined and happy' ending where even the leaves glow. The leaves glow! It's so dumb!

You may think Shepard falling through space from the Citadel exploding and safely landing on Earth is implausible, but to be honest that's peanuts to Synthesis.

I know it's not 'evidence', but I'll be damned happy if the EC exposes Synthesis for what it should be: A dirty lie.

[HellishFiend]

Destructorlio wrote...
*post above*

I agree, as do most of the regular posters in this topic. There is just no convincing some people though. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 31 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Destructorlio wrote...

Are Bioware even exhibiting at E3? Doesn't look like it:

http://e312.mapyours...E3D1234D897A151

Anyway, someone bought up the idea in another thread that the 'Synthesis' option is SO DUMB, as in, so utterly scientifically implausible and stupid that you could merge organic DNA with... whatever the equivalent of DNA is in machines... that in and of itself it should stand as evidence for IT, because it's clearly Shepard's deluded mind making up this ridiculous 'everyone is joined and happy' ending where even the leaves glow. The leaves glow! It's so dumb!

You may think Shepard falling through space from the Citadel exploding and safely landing on Earth is implausible, but to be honest that's peanuts to Synthesis.

I know it's not 'evidence', but I'll be damned happy if the EC exposes Synthesis for what it should be: A dirty lie.

The "a new DNA" part is just something the child added for Shepard to relate to. There are more then enough people who couldn't imagine what he is talking about when only mentioning framework. It's used so Shepard can better understand what it is talking about.

[DirtyPhoenix]

I think the leaves glowing and everyone having circuit skin is just there to symbolize that they are "synthesized" now. much like TIM too had circuit skin after being Reaperized.

I'm not saying synthesis is any less stupid, just saying that showing glowing leaves and circuit skin doesn't necessarily mean they have actual circuits embedded on their skins now.

[Trollgunner]

 Just ended me3 (for fifth time I think, or more >.>)  each time I play, I notice more and more IT refferences.  I won't be repeating what everyone already know, but there is one thing that is not mentioned before (I think). Remember TIM's incredible powers to control you and Anderson? Well, now remember what recearches TIM did on Sanctuary. They said that they can control indocrinated humans ( other indocrinated races too) Miranda's father said: "It's a success, we can control indocrinated!" but TIM wanted more and so on. But the point is: he CAN'T control humans at will. Only indocrinated one.

p.s sorry for awful english, but i really wanted to share my thoughts.

Modifié par Trollgunner, 31 mai 2012 - 05:52 .

[Bill Casey]

pirate1802 wrote...

I think the leaves glowing and everyone having circuit skin is just there to symbolize that they are "synthesized" now. much like TIM too had circuit skin after being Reaperized.

I'm not saying synthesis is any less stupid, just saying that showing glowing leaves and circuit skin doesn't necessarily mean they have actual circuits embedded on their skins now.

No, EDI has circuits now...

[Destructorlio]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The "a new DNA" part is just something the child added for Shepard to relate to. There are more then enough people who couldn't imagine what he is talking about when only mentioning framework. It's used so Shepard can better understand what it is talking about.

Or that kid could have just been lying his ass off about 'synthesis'. That's actually more probably than the idea of a magic wave that can just change the entire galaxy like that.

pirate1802 wrote...

I think the leaves glowing and everyone having circuit skin is just there to symbolize that they are "synthesized" now. much like TIM too had circuit skin after being Reaperized.

I'm not saying synthesis is any less stupid, just saying that showing glowing leaves and circuit skin doesn't necessarily mean they have actual circuits embedded on their skins now.

 

True, but I still see it as proof of IT, because... it's just so dumb! I mean, if the starchild had said that organic and technological life would merge into delicious candy, that would be no more or less scientifically plausible than what was portrayed- it would just be more obvious that it wasn't real. 

Like, if IT is not true and the EC just 'expands' on this stupid idea, there is no way it will still not be insanely stupid. It's beyond 'bad writing'. How anyone (including Bioware) could advocate for an ending that takes that idea literally (or seriously) is beyond me.

[Arian Dynas]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.


What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

I'll just reup this every new page this thread hits till people get it, I suppose.

Then I suppose I'll just keep repeating this until YOU get it.

This will be stated again and again. With IT they don't need to change a thing, since that was always the intention. That is what the theory hinges on, it only requires further clarification to let people "get it"

Those scenes are phrased as being intentionally vague and yes, Bioware has made statements that there may be gameplay in the EC. They never defined what the meant by "epilogue scenes"

[plfranke]

Destructorlio wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The "a new DNA" part is just something the child added for Shepard to relate to. There are more then enough people who couldn't imagine what he is talking about when only mentioning framework. It's used so Shepard can better understand what it is talking about.

Or that kid could have just been lying his ass off about 'synthesis'. That's actually more probably than the idea of a magic wave that can just change the entire galaxy like that.

pirate1802 wrote...

I think the leaves glowing and everyone having circuit skin is just there to symbolize that they are "synthesized" now. much like TIM too had circuit skin after being Reaperized.

I'm not saying synthesis is any less stupid, just saying that showing glowing leaves and circuit skin doesn't necessarily mean they have actual circuits embedded on their skins now.

 

True, but I still see it as proof of IT, because... it's just so dumb! I mean, if the starchild had said that organic and technological life would merge into delicious candy, that would be no more or less scientifically plausible than what was portrayed- it would just be more obvious that it wasn't real. 

Like, if IT is not true and the EC just 'expands' on this stupid idea, there is no way it will still not be insanely stupid. It's beyond 'bad writing'. How anyone (including Bioware) could advocate for an ending that takes that idea literally (or seriously) is beyond me.

If IT isn't true I can at least take pleasure in the laughs that clarification on the synthesis ending will bring. I can just imagine what Mordin would say about my decision. "Had to be Shepard. Someone else might have gotten it right."

[plfranke]

Bill Casey wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I think the leaves glowing and everyone having circuit skin is just there to symbolize that they are "synthesized" now. much like TIM too had circuit skin after being Reaperized.

I'm not saying synthesis is any less stupid, just saying that showing glowing leaves and circuit skin doesn't necessarily mean they have actual circuits embedded on their skins now.

No, EDI has circuits now...

He was right about one thing though... It certainly doesn't make it any less stupid.

[Makrys]

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. 

Modifié par Makrys, 31 mai 2012 - 06:27 .

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

Dear god. Arian, we need you again!

I am summoned, and thus I come.

[Arian Dynas]

Also, in response to GoblinSapper, I merely quote again;

“Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying “yes” begins things. Saying “yes” is how things grow. Saying “yes” leads to knowledge. “Yes” is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say “yes'.”

- Stephen Colbert

[BleedingUranium]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, in response to GoblinSapper, I merely quote again;

“Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying “yes” begins things. Saying “yes” is how things grow. Saying “yes” leads to knowledge. “Yes” is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say “yes'.”

- Stephen Colbert

Colbert said that? Wow, I always liked him, but... wow, that's so cool

[DirtyPhoenix]

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. 

Jacob also didnt bleed when he was shot. Baily also, despite being shot

[BleedingUranium]

plfranke wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The "a new DNA" part is just something the child added for Shepard to relate to. There are more then enough people who couldn't imagine what he is talking about when only mentioning framework. It's used so Shepard can better understand what it is talking about.

Or that kid could have just been lying his ass off about 'synthesis'. That's actually more probably than the idea of a magic wave that can just change the entire galaxy like that.

pirate1802 wrote...

I think the leaves glowing and everyone having circuit skin is just there to symbolize that they are "synthesized" now. much like TIM too had circuit skin after being Reaperized.

I'm not saying synthesis is any less stupid, just saying that showing glowing leaves and circuit skin doesn't necessarily mean they have actual circuits embedded on their skins now.

 

True, but I still see it as proof of IT, because... it's just so dumb! I mean, if the starchild had said that organic and technological life would merge into delicious candy, that would be no more or less scientifically plausible than what was portrayed- it would just be more obvious that it wasn't real. 

Like, if IT is not true and the EC just 'expands' on this stupid idea, there is no way it will still not be insanely stupid. It's beyond 'bad writing'. How anyone (including Bioware) could advocate for an ending that takes that idea literally (or seriously) is beyond me.

If IT isn't true I can at least take pleasure in the laughs that clarification on the synthesis ending will bring. I can just imagine what Mordin would say about my decision. "Had to be Shepard. Someone else might have gotten it right."

I really loved the "Had to be me..." in ME3, I still don't know what was more emotional for me though, Mordin or Legion's death

Between Mordin's "Had to be me...", singing "Scientist Salarian", and the music, or Legion's "I know Tali" with sadness in his voice, followed by the Prime asking Raan if they'd thought of possible settlement sights...

Never played another game, never watched a movie, or, well anything, that made me really cry...

[Bill Casey]

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. 

I think it's more interesting Anderson forgot about his wound...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 31 mai 2012 - 06:47 .

[Makrys]

pirate1802 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. 

Jacob also didnt bleed when he was shot. Baily also, despite being shot

Yet, Shepard did when he wasn't shot? Shepard shot Anderson yet Shepard is the one bleeding from the wound. It can't be explained without the IT. And its not just 'laziness' when Bioware specifically showed Shepard's bloody wound. I'm getting sick of the 'lazy' argument. It can't bail you out of everything when you don't have a credible argument. 

Not speaking to you directly, but to the anti-IT crowd.