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Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. ;)


I think it's more interesting Anderson forgot about his wound...

*snip*


That as well! He doesn't even hold it! It's Shepard who holds his wound!

But its just 'laziness' remember? Because Bioware simply forgot Anderson was shot 2 minutes earlier. Because you know, Bioware are a bunch of bumbling bafoons...

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Also, anyone notice that Shep doesn't grab the wound until Anderson dies? Almost as if that is the final blow. Just realized this as well... wow.

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Makrys wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. ;)


I think it's more interesting Anderson forgot about his wound...

*snip*


That as well! He doesn't even hold it! It's Shepard who holds his wound!

But its just 'laziness' remember? Because Bioware simply forgot Anderson was shot 2 minutes earlier. Because you know, Bioware are a bunch of bumbling bafoons...


It's not like this is random character #23 being shot, or a main character getting shot and being okay, this is Shepard shooting Admiral goddam Anderson in the final confrontation of Mass Effect! Posted Image

Goddam literalists...

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Makrys wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. ;)


Jacob also didnt bleed when he was shot. Baily also, despite being shot :unsure:


Yet, Shepard did when he wasn't shot? Shepard shot Anderson yet Shepard is the one bleeding from the wound. It can't be explained without the IT. And its not just 'laziness' when Bioware specifically showed Shepard's bloody wound. I'm getting sick of the 'lazy' argument. It can't bail you out of everything when you don't have a credible argument. 

Not speaking to you directly, but to the anti-IT crowd.

but you do have to admit he has presented evidence for a character not bleeding after being shot. while I don't think there's any Anti IT argument for Shepard's wound, Anderson not bleeding is hard to make a connection with especially when other characters haven't bled after being shot.

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[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another point in the talk with the child:
"The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle."
Didn't every Reaper you've met say something like "You are chaos, we represent order." which has nothing to do with anything being wiped out?
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And I think they're being completely truthful in that. However people are looking at it wrong. Anyone remember the Shivering Isles expansion of Oblivion? The Reapers represent order in the same way as Jyggalag.

I'll take chaos, thanks.

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[quote]MaximizedAction wrote...

[quote]Rosewind wrote...

Have to admit does look like a really tiny Shepard lol.[/quote]

Well, it IS a male human with a short hairstyle. Might be Sheploo.
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Mmmm sheploo....

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I see someone else had the idea that we should try to make a similar sized silhouette of Shepaloo and see how they compare.

... Wait, that's "Mmmm," not "Hmmm,"... Oh... I should go.

[quote]Windninja47 wrote...

Banshees will be appearing in games against cererus and geth for a while now because we failed last weeks challengeto kill lots of 'em.

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It's a bug. That stupid punishment was supposed to be over with on Monday. I'm thinking they accidentally sent the bansheeful files back to live when they put in the week changes. And by weekly changes, I mean sabotage nerf. Because quarians were overpowered. ... Yeah, I don't get it either, but whatever.

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

I thought that it was just for the weekend, I like it personally, we get punished for slacking off.[/quote]

No. We were never going to make 3 million banshees. We were meant to fail it. It simply was NOT going to happen. When the game was brand new, i.e. had a much larger player base online (not that its current one isn't respectable), we only killed 3 million brutes in Operation Goliath. Brutes are far more common than banshees. Granted, there are a few hitches Goliath had that Silencer didn't, but they don't even begin to even up the differences in both brute to banshee and player population. And BW does recognizes the population decline after the "game of the week/month" players have left. Operation Shieldwall had a promotion goal of only 50,000 compared to Operation Raptor had a goal of triple that, 150,000.

Silencer was meant to fail. Don't kid yourself. It wasn't 'slacking off.' Which is why I'm pissed we got punished for it.

[quote]Rosewind wrote...

Edit: Side note I just got the most awesomnesssss sniper-rifle ever :D[/quote]

Congratulations. Which one was it? Opinions on the best SR vary a lot.

[quote]D.Sharrah wrote...

I too was just playing SP...but I have somethign different to dsicuss then dmay7...during the third meeting with Miranda (where she asks for the alliance intel), you have a conversation about control. Miranda starts of with telling Shepard that she wanted to put a control chip in him (not the first time she tells Shep this - which I find interesting in it itself) - but more to the point, she tells Shep why it has been bothering. She goes onto explain that is exactly what her father wanted - to control every aspect of her life and she hated him for it (and ultimately rebelled against him - wink, wink, nod, nod, hint, hint). She goes on to say that when she was given the power, she would have chose control - and now it is the single tihng that she regrets the most...I know that I am doing alot of paraphrasing, but hopefully you get the gist. This in itself I thought struck a huge red flag warning...practically screaming at me, DON'T CHOOSE CONTROL!

Another weird thing about the conversation is that Miranda again informs you that it was TIM that stopped her from putting the control chip in...his reason isn't as important as the fact that he did not want Shepard controlled. Is it odd at all that the character that emodies the choice of control in the ending, wanted nothing to do with it in the previous game? Could there be any clearer indication that TIM is indoctrinated in ME 3?[/quote]

Nice, I didn't notice the rebelling symbolism or the warnings against control... But you missed one important part of it: she complains about all the black boxes involved in the project. What kind of tech would TIM hide from Miranda considering all the trust he had in her? Only one kind I can think of. Reaper tech.

[quote]Bu.bu..but...wait I thought there was no foreshadowing...or isn't that what the anti-IT people say. [/quote]

Do what I do. Just jiggle your keys and they completely forget what they're on about.

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

What if in syntheses Shepard becomes a Reaper? I am saying this because on Jessica Merizan twitter she has a picture of Shepard on a chair as a Reaper while Harby was rebuilding the Relays. [/quote]

That picture is funny as ****. "THIS HURTS ME." "Don't me come over there and assume direct control." ... Anyway, slight mix-up. Control turns you into a Reaper, not synthesis. No, seriously. Control is called "BecomeAReaper" in the game's internal crap.

[quote]dmay7 wrote...

Maybe so, but what I'm wondering is why no one else on Sheps squad is indoctrinated. It's never stated that the Reapers can choose who gets indoctrinated and who doesn't, just that whoever is in or near a Reaper or in proximity of a Reaper artifact begins indoctrination.[/quote]

There's quite a few suspicious comments from squad members about feeling watched and the like. So the theory goes that they are getting it, just not as much as Shepard. One of the reasons I stick to the idea that TIM used Reaper tech in rebuilding him.

Anderson: (talking about how Cerberus rebuilt Kei Lang) Look at what they did with you and Paul Grayson.

Subtle as a sledgehammer.

[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...

If that would be the case the Reapers could just ignore:
"Quarian; considered due to cybernetic augmentation, weakened immune system too debilitating."
"Krogan; sterilised race, potential wasted."[/quote]

Man... I forgot how retarded Harbinger's "NO, I SAID WE USE HUMANS!" commentary was. They give up the krogan because of the genophage. You remember the genophage, it's that thing that Sovereign gave Saren a cure for so he could make a krogan army. That thing that Mordin cured in like a couple weeks. Yeah, totally beyond the Reapers to fix that. But my favorite will always be turians. "Too... uhh... primitive." "But that--" "I SAID TOO GODDAMN PRIMITIVE!"

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plfranke wrote...

Makrys wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. ;)


Jacob also didnt bleed when he was shot. Baily also, despite being shot :unsure:


Yet, Shepard did when he wasn't shot? Shepard shot Anderson yet Shepard is the one bleeding from the wound. It can't be explained without the IT. And its not just 'laziness' when Bioware specifically showed Shepard's bloody wound. I'm getting sick of the 'lazy' argument. It can't bail you out of everything when you don't have a credible argument. 

Not speaking to you directly, but to the anti-IT crowd.

but you do have to admit he has presented evidence for a character not bleeding after being shot. while I don't think there's any Anti IT argument for Shepard's wound, Anderson not bleeding is hard to make a connection with especially when other characters haven't bled after being shot.


THERE IS NO F***** WOUND ON ANDERSON WHO WAS JUST SHOT MOMENTS BEFORE. Bioware are either complete idiots who forgot to show that a character actually suffers a physical wound when they are shot by a gun, or they meant it on purpose.

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Rifneno wrote...

*snip*

Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Have to admit does look like a really tiny Shepard lol.


Well, it IS a male human with a short hairstyle. Might be Sheploo.


Mmmm sheploo....


I see someone else had the idea that we should try to make a similar sized silhouette of Shepaloo and see how they compare.

... Wait, that's "Mmmm," not "Hmmm,"... Oh... I should go.

*Snip*


Freudian Slip? lol

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Makrys wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. ;)


Jacob also didnt bleed when he was shot. Baily also, despite being shot :unsure:


Yet, Shepard did when he wasn't shot? Shepard shot Anderson yet Shepard is the one bleeding from the wound. It can't be explained without the IT. And its not just 'laziness' when Bioware specifically showed Shepard's bloody wound. I'm getting sick of the 'lazy' argument. It can't bail you out of everything when you don't have a credible argument. 

Not speaking to you directly, but to the anti-IT crowd.


Now THAT is a better evidence IMO, almost undeniable one (shepard bleeding without being shot). I've seen people suggest ludicrous explanation (wound from laser attack, wound from marauder shields bullet LOL). So yes, Bioware specifically showing us that mysterious wound.. is important. Anderson not having a bullet wound.. not so much, because there are other instances of people getting shot and not being wounded.

And I'm in the Pro-IT crowd :D I'm just careful on what to consider as evidence ^_^

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pirate1802 wrote...
Jacob also didnt bleed when he was shot. Baily also, despite being shot :unsure:


Jacob at least acquired a bloody hole. Don't remember if Baily did though.

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pirate1802 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just revealed something that none of the anti-IT crowd can so far explain. All they can say is the usual and old 'laziness'.

Anderson isn't bleeding from the gun shot wound.

Can it be explained without the IT? That's what I asked. So far, no one can. 

As far as I know, it can't. 

Yet we're the idiots right? The desperate losers grasping at straws? Uhuh. 

I guess its just better to blame Bioware for being lazy when they have no history of that with the Mass Effect trilogy. Really... one of the deepest and most detailed gaming universes of late, and you're going to accuse the developer who crafted it of being lazy? Cool logic. ;)


Jacob also didnt bleed when he was shot. Baily also, despite being shot :unsure:


Yet, Shepard did when he wasn't shot? Shepard shot Anderson yet Shepard is the one bleeding from the wound. It can't be explained without the IT. And its not just 'laziness' when Bioware specifically showed Shepard's bloody wound. I'm getting sick of the 'lazy' argument. It can't bail you out of everything when you don't have a credible argument. 

Not speaking to you directly, but to the anti-IT crowd.


Now THAT is a better evidence IMO, almost undeniable one (shepard bleeding without being shot). I've seen people suggest ludicrous explanation (wound from laser attack, wound from marauder shields bullet LOL). So yes, Bioware specifically showing us that mysterious wound.. is important. Anderson not having a bullet wound.. not so much, because there are other instances of people getting shot and not being wounded.

And I'm in the Pro-IT crowd :D I'm just careful on what to consider as evidence ^_^


Well if Shepard is wounded from the shot, then it makes sense that Anderson wouldn't be. That's my point. Without the IT though, it makes no sense. It is evidence. Its evidence that people want to ignore.

There is no reason to have Shepard wounded when Anderson was the one who was shot. None. Its not a design oversight. Its the final freaking scene to the trilogy. They didnt just forget it. They meant it. Period.

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Rifneno wrote...


Rosewind wrote...

Edit: Side note I just got the most awesomnesssss sniper-rifle ever :D


Congratulations. Which one was it? Opinions on the best SR vary a lot.


Sorry just saw that umm it's the Turian Krysae Sniper Rifle, Well I think it is awesome anyway lol

Would love to have the M-90 Indra though ./droool

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Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


Rosewind wrote...

Edit: Side note I just got the most awesomnesssss sniper-rifle ever :D


Congratulations. Which one was it? Opinions on the best SR vary a lot.


Sorry just saw that umm it's the Turian Krysae Sniper Rifle, Well I think it is awesome anyway lol

Would love to have the M-90 Indra though ./droool


I got one of those.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, in response to GoblinSapper, I merely quote again;

“Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying “yes” begins things. Saying “yes” is how things grow. Saying “yes” leads to knowledge. “Yes” is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say “yes'.”

- Stephen Colbert


Colbert said that? Wow, I always liked him, but... wow, that's so cool Posted Image


Yep, in address to a graduating college class.

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Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


Rosewind wrote...

Edit: Side note I just got the most awesomnesssss sniper-rifle ever :D


Congratulations. Which one was it? Opinions on the best SR vary a lot.


Sorry just saw that umm it's the Turian Krysae Sniper Rifle, Well I think it is awesome anyway lol

Would love to have the M-90 Indra though ./droool



I got one of those yesterday:P

Sad part is I'm a horrible sniper.

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@ Arian and Blooregard the Indra or the Krysae

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I was going to clean my house but Bioware is lazy

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Indra.

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I love you but I hate you to :P

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I was going to clean my house but Bioware is lazy


It works for everything!

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Hi! Wassup?

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Can someone explain why exactly the Reapers are so choosey with who gets the Ultimate Reaper Makeover: Species Edition if starchild is telling the truth?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Can someone explain why exactly the Reapers are so choosey with who gets the Ultimate Reaper Makeover: Species Edition if starchild is telling the truth?

Where did you get that impression? They harvest whoever they can.

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Rosewind wrote...

I love you but I hate you to :P


*hug*

Awww...:wub::devil:<3<_<

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*sigh* do I have to drag out my reaper theory AGAIN?

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Makrys wrote...

 Bioware are a bunch of bumbling bafoons...


They were on the endings at at least. BW have made many mistakes with the ME, not only in this game but also in ME2 especially. The plot takes a battering for a character development in ME2, it more or less vanishes. BW didn't even realise that people would take the destruction of the mass relays at the end to mean a supernova, despite the events of Arrival. What else have they forgotten? The ending does really smell of a rushed ending, and this can also be shown by the fact that they wanted much more time to finish the game but were denied by EA.