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[Corik]

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

[Quilate]

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Never mind, I'm outta the whole loco/Lola discussion, it mean's nothing in my opinion.

Agreed.

[in TIM's voice] Have a little faith.

Baaaaaaah *run away acting crazy*

[WinterCrow]

DJBare wrote...

Never mind, I'm outta the whole loco/Lola discussion, it mean's nothing in my opinion.

Agreed too. Makes little to no sense, and it's not really the word you'd use to call someone insane after all. It's more like "crazy" as in "you do crazy stuff".

Calling FemShep Lola is actually pretty stupid anyway, makes me wonder about the developers' reasons. Feels like that village in Resident Evil 4, in Spain, full of mexican cliches lol.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

if calling maleshep loco is a reference to indoc crazy, then why is femshep not addressed with something similar?

Because it would be too obvious a clue towards IT.  Or maybe Lola has some hidden meaning.

Try clutching at straws that are actually there next time. You're just grasping handfuls of air at the moment.

[paxxton]

Corik wrote...

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

Considering he's a military leader others would follow.

[Rosewind]

Quilate wrote...

Because she reminds him of a Lola he knews (sister of I don't remember who, something like that xD).

His bests friend's sister from when he grew up , because she was tough and hot.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Never mind, I'm outta the whole loco/Lola discussion, it mean's nothing in my opinion.

Agreed.

[in TIM's voice] Have a little faith.

[Anderson Voice] He's wrong...Don't listen to him...

Modifié par EpyonX3, 31 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

DJBare wrote...

if calling maleshep loco is a reference to indoc crazy, then why is femshep not addressed with something similar?

Because it would be too obvious a clue towards IT.  Or maybe Lola has some hidden meaning.

Try clutching at straws that are actually there next time. You're just grasping handfuls of air at the moment.

Just considering the infinity of possible interpretations. They are out there until you actually observe the correct one.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Corik wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Never mind, I'm outta the whole loco/Lola discussion, it mean's nothing in my opinion.

Agreed.

[in TIM's voice] Have a little faith.

[Anderson Voice] He's wrong...Don't listen to him...

Anderson: "There can be no destroying Reaper forces."

[Ytook]

Macross wrote...

The Loco thing could be a narrative hint from the developers but I doubt it. It's a fun little nickname. I mean, I'm called nut and insane on a regular bases but that isn't because I'm clinically insane or going insane. It's just a nickname.

On a side note, I've been out of the indoc theory for a month and a bit now. Anything happened that I need to catch up on? and new and interest evidence?

Well it looks an awful lit like Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale are back for the EC, but probably the biggest thing I believe (which you may have seen) is this:

http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/

I'm sure there's other stuff but someone more in the know would have to tell you.

[EpyonX3]

Corik wrote...

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

It would be much easier to just kill him though, given his reputation for having a strong will.

Even if they succeed in indoctrinating him, do you think the galaxy would follow shepard's lead and embrace the reapers? Heck no. By this time the whole galaxy knows what that would mean and probably kill Shepard on sight.

Of course, with Shepard out of the picture it would easier for them to continue harvesting, but the damage was done. They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help. The Krogans are making babies again, which reapers didn't expect and would have to adapt, which they really aren't good at doing.

They would eventually win but they would be severely outnumbered the next cycle.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

It would be much easier to just kill him though, given his reputation for having a strong will.

Even if they succeed in indoctrinating him, do you think the galaxy would follow shepard's lead and embrace the reapers? Heck no. By this time the whole galaxy knows what that would mean and probably kill Shepard on sight.

Of course, with Shepard out of the picture it would easier for them to continue harvesting, but the damage was done. They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help. The Krogans are making babies again, which reapers didn't expect and would have to adapt, which they really aren't good at doing.

They would eventually win but they would be severely outnumbered the next cycle.

Remember, though, Shep was the one who ALWAYS warned the galaxy of the Reaper threat.  People said he was wrong before, and look what that got them.  At this point, it's quite possible that, if Shepard was indoctrinated and, say, told the fleet to stand down because the Reapers were actually not evil, they might listen to him, at least for a brief period of time.  But one brief moment of doubt is all it takes.

Modifié par Dwailing, 31 mai 2012 - 04:20 .

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help.

That's news for me.

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

It would be much easier to just kill him though, given his reputation for having a strong will.

Even if they succeed in indoctrinating him, do you think the galaxy would follow shepard's lead and embrace the reapers? Heck no. By this time the whole galaxy knows what that would mean and probably kill Shepard on sight.

Of course, with Shepard out of the picture it would easier for them to continue harvesting, but the damage was done. They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help. The Krogans are making babies again, which reapers didn't expect and would have to adapt, which they really aren't good at doing.

They would eventually win but they would be severely outnumbered the next cycle.

Remember, though, Shep was the one who ALWAYS warned the galaxy of the Reaper threat.  People said he was wrong before, and look what that got them.  At this point, it's quite possible that, if Shepard was indoctrinated and, say, told the fleet to stand down because the Reapers were actually not evil, they might listen to him, at least for a brief period of time.  But one brief moment of doubt is all it takes.

I still think it'e very unlikely that Hackett or anyone ranking higher than Shepard would allow that kind of stand down. A 180 switch in a person's attitude toward the enemy is a giant red flag. Unless the reapers stop attacking precisely when Shepard gives that order, They wouldn't buy it for a second, especially his crew.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help.

That's news for me.

It is known that they have lost ships, but we're never told how many, and when you consider that our cycle is something of an anomaly in terms of how successful we've been in fighting the Reapers (I believe.), and when you consider just how powerful capital ship is, I doubt that, if we lose, the Reapers will have THAT much of a harder time in the next cycle.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

It would be much easier to just kill him though, given his reputation for having a strong will.

Even if they succeed in indoctrinating him, do you think the galaxy would follow shepard's lead and embrace the reapers? Heck no. By this time the whole galaxy knows what that would mean and probably kill Shepard on sight.

Of course, with Shepard out of the picture it would easier for them to continue harvesting, but the damage was done. They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help. The Krogans are making babies again, which reapers didn't expect and would have to adapt, which they really aren't good at doing.

They would eventually win but they would be severely outnumbered the next cycle.

Remember, though, Shep was the one who ALWAYS warned the galaxy of the Reaper threat.  People said he was wrong before, and look what that got them.  At this point, it's quite possible that, if Shepard was indoctrinated and, say, told the fleet to stand down because the Reapers were actually not evil, they might listen to him, at least for a brief period of time.  But one brief moment of doubt is all it takes.

I still think it'e very unlikely that Hackett or anyone ranking higher than Shepard would allow that kind of stand down. A 180 switch in a person's attitude toward the enemy is a giant red flag. Unless the reapers stop attacking precisely when Shepard gives that order, They wouldn't buy it for a second, especially his crew.

Yeah, but you have to remember, ship captains aren't machines, they're people.  If Shepard told the fleet to stand down, even if Hackett told them not to stop firing, there would probably be at least a moment of hesitation.  And one moment of hesitation is all it takes to ruin a battle.

[Ytook]

Shepard is the uniting force behind the alliance, s/he is the one who brought them all together and is the one who they have put faith in, s/he is the idealogical figurehead of the entire grand alliance. Having Shep indoctrinated would be an invaluable asset to the reapers, they could shatter the grand alliance's moral and unification by having him/her kill their leaders or send forces into a trap, kill him/her and you have a martyr and that's possibly even more dangerous, besides they already did kill Shep before s/he could do the uniting, Shep just came back.

Modifié par Ytook, 31 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help.

That's news for me.

When you have High EMS you see capital ships being destroyed. Also when you pick destroy you'll see a lot of dead reapers floating around. For a race that barely lose a single capital ship each cycle, they've sustained heavy losses in this cycle.

There are reports of from ANN about how reapers were pushed out of Turian territories using clever tacticts. I remember reading that a reaper ship was taken out. I might be wrong.

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

It would be much easier to just kill him though, given his reputation for having a strong will.

Even if they succeed in indoctrinating him, do you think the galaxy would follow shepard's lead and embrace the reapers? Heck no. By this time the whole galaxy knows what that would mean and probably kill Shepard on sight.

Of course, with Shepard out of the picture it would easier for them to continue harvesting, but the damage was done. They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help. The Krogans are making babies again, which reapers didn't expect and would have to adapt, which they really aren't good at doing.

They would eventually win but they would be severely outnumbered the next cycle.

Remember, though, Shep was the one who ALWAYS warned the galaxy of the Reaper threat.  People said he was wrong before, and look what that got them.  At this point, it's quite possible that, if Shepard was indoctrinated and, say, told the fleet to stand down because the Reapers were actually not evil, they might listen to him, at least for a brief period of time.  But one brief moment of doubt is all it takes.

I still think it'e very unlikely that Hackett or anyone ranking higher than Shepard would allow that kind of stand down. A 180 switch in a person's attitude toward the enemy is a giant red flag. Unless the reapers stop attacking precisely when Shepard gives that order, They wouldn't buy it for a second, especially his crew.

Yeah, but you have to remember, ship captains aren't machines, they're people.  If Shepard told the fleet to stand down, even if Hackett told them not to stop firing, there would probably be at least a moment of hesitation.  And one moment of hesitation is all it takes to ruin a battle.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think the reapers would really care much about that. They seem very confident that they'll win regardless.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Corik wrote...

Just had a conv with EDI, about the reapers on Earth broadcasting orders to the human leaders and telling them to enter their structures to negotiate peace. Shepard said that anyone doing that would be indoctrinated, then EDI said that anyone negotiating is one less fighting.

Pretty much what they would want from Shepard if IT is true. If they convince him of other possibilities, he's one soldier less fighting (and a damn good one...)

It would be much easier to just kill him though, given his reputation for having a strong will.

Even if they succeed in indoctrinating him, do you think the galaxy would follow shepard's lead and embrace the reapers? Heck no. By this time the whole galaxy knows what that would mean and probably kill Shepard on sight.

Of course, with Shepard out of the picture it would easier for them to continue harvesting, but the damage was done. They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help. The Krogans are making babies again, which reapers didn't expect and would have to adapt, which they really aren't good at doing.

They would eventually win but they would be severely outnumbered the next cycle.

Remember, though, Shep was the one who ALWAYS warned the galaxy of the Reaper threat.  People said he was wrong before, and look what that got them.  At this point, it's quite possible that, if Shepard was indoctrinated and, say, told the fleet to stand down because the Reapers were actually not evil, they might listen to him, at least for a brief period of time.  But one brief moment of doubt is all it takes.

I still think it'e very unlikely that Hackett or anyone ranking higher than Shepard would allow that kind of stand down. A 180 switch in a person's attitude toward the enemy is a giant red flag. Unless the reapers stop attacking precisely when Shepard gives that order, They wouldn't buy it for a second, especially his crew.

Yeah, but you have to remember, ship captains aren't machines, they're people.  If Shepard told the fleet to stand down, even if Hackett told them not to stop firing, there would probably be at least a moment of hesitation.  And one moment of hesitation is all it takes to ruin a battle.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think the reapers would really care much about that. They seem very confident that they'll win regardless.

If I may quote TIM, "And I don't know if the Reapers feel fear, but you killed one of them, they have to respect that."

Edit: Besides, no matter how confident you are in your chances of victory, there's no reason you should try to take every advantage you can.

Modifié par Dwailing, 31 mai 2012 - 04:31 .

[MegumiAzusa]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help.

That's news for me.

When you have High EMS you see capital ships being destroyed. Also when you pick destroy you'll see a lot of dead reapers floating around. For a race that barely lose a single capital ship each cycle, they've sustained heavy losses in this cycle.

There are reports of from ANN about how reapers were pushed out of Turian territories using clever tacticts. I remember reading that a reaper ship was taken out. I might be wrong.

I have to note here that you also see the Reapers floating around in Synthesis, though it's unclear if that is only because they reused the destroy ending and recolored some parts.

[EpyonX3]

Ytook wrote...

Shepard is the uniting force behind the alliance, s/he is the one who brought them all together and is the one who they have put faith in, s/he is the idealogical figurehead of the entire grand alliance. Having Shep indoctrinated would be an invaluable asset to the reapers, they could shatter the grand alliance's moral and unification by having him/her kill their leaders or send forces into a trap, kill him/her and you have a martyr and that's possibly even more dangerous, besides they already did kill Shep before s/he could do the uniting, Shep just came back.

No doubt, Shepard dying or becoming indoctrinated would be a blow to moral. But people will bounce back and will want to avenge his death/indoctrination. Also, at this point with the entire galaxy fighting the majority of the reapers in one spot, this war wasn't going to last very long, crucible or not.

Also, unfortunately, Indoctrination doesn't work that way. If IT is true, Shepard is a husk. He wouldn't be in any position to make any orders. He would lose his mind and would not look very human.

[RavenEyry]

Hey, I just thought of yet another problem with synthesis as is. The reapers haven't been changed in any way, just leaving because they don't want to reap anymore. The fleet is still attacking them, having no reason to stop except a pause to look at their pretty green eyes. The reapers will defend themselves. War may well continue even if the original reason for it has gone.

[jackncoke28]

Ytook wrote...

Shepard is the uniting force behind the alliance, s/he is the one who brought them all together and is the one who they have put faith in, s/he is the idealogical figurehead of the entire grand alliance. Having Shep indoctrinated would be an invaluable asset to the reapers, they could shatter the grand alliance's moral and unification by having him/her kill their leaders or send forces into a trap, kill him/her and you have a martyr and that's possibly even more dangerous, besides they already did kill Shep before s/he could do the uniting, Shep just came back.

He was brought back by a possibly already indoctrinated TIM no less. Which bolsters my theory that when Reapers choose a race for assencion they need a figure head, or avatar to take the lead and become the head or central brain of the newly created reaper. Shepard was the reapers candidate for this position, because of his/her strong will, among other atributes. The problem with having the strong will was it was gonna be alot tougher for reapers to indoctrinate him/her. The reaper tech installed in shepard by TIM solves that problem, it made Shepard much more susceptible to reaper influence.

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

They lost many capital ships in the push to earth(High EMS of course), They're losing ships on other worlds like palaven with the krogan's help.

That's news for me.

When you have High EMS you see capital ships being destroyed. Also when you pick destroy you'll see a lot of dead reapers floating around. For a race that barely lose a single capital ship each cycle, they've sustained heavy losses in this cycle.

There are reports of from ANN about how reapers were pushed out of Turian territories using clever tacticts. I remember reading that a reaper ship was taken out. I might be wrong.

I have to note here that you also see the Reapers floating around in Synthesis, though it's unclear if that is only because they reused the destroy ending and recolored some parts.

Well I would think that High EMS means floating dead reapers no matter what. I guess control doesn't show it, probably to convey that reapers were spared.