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[SS2Dante]

Don't suppose anyone has a save near that scene with Kaiden dead? Really wanna flycam it.

[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm back from 80+ hours of Dragon Age Origins (I feel stupid for passing that game up before). I see IT won by a land slide in the polls. Good stuff.

[dreamgazer]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm back from 80+ hours of Dragon Age Origins (I feel stupid for passing that game up before). I see IT won by a land slide in the polls. Good stuff.

"Indeed". (spreads hands open and reveals fire)

Modifié par dreamgazer, 01 juin 2012 - 12:00 .

[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Just saw this in another thread...screen cap of first arrival at Citadel...

http://social.biowar...ndex/12348266/2

Double the Virmire survivors?

This is worthy of Flycam. I don't think it's her though. brb.

[SS2Dante]

EpyonX3 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Just saw this in another thread...screen cap of first arrival at Citadel...

http://social.biowar...ndex/12348266/2

Double the Virmire survivors?

This is worthy of Flycam. I don't think it's her though. brb.

There;s a pic on page two and it really does seem to be her, for what that's worth.

EDIT- but she doesn't seem to appear for all Sheps.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 01 juin 2012 - 12:02 .

[estebanus]

Damnit, I can't get that awesome music from MGS 2 outta my head! It's driving me crazy!

[dreamgazer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Just saw this in another thread...screen cap of first arrival at Citadel...

http://social.biowar...ndex/12348266/2

Double the Virmire survivors?

This is worthy of Flycam. I don't think it's her though. brb.

Pass Sherlock his magnifying glass.

[FFZero]

Mini essay incoming.

Okay first of all, I apologise if some of this doesn’t make sense, it’s late and I’m knackered. Anyway, I was bored earlier and thought I’d have a go at analysing the endings from a film makers perspective and I have to say certain shots are very telling.

The two shots that jump out the most for me are in the control ending, the main one being the close up of Shepard dropping their gun. If all Bioware wanted to show was Shepard dropping their gun why did they use a close up and not just have a long or medium shot showing them dropping it like in the synthesis ending? Now you could say they did it for stylistic effect or to make it look different to the shot used in the synthesis ending, however in film making you normally only use close ups on details like that when they have a significant meaning and you’re trying to convey that to the audience. It could be drawing emphasis on an important object so that the audience doesn't forget about it or it could be used in a more symbolic way to convey emotions. To me this small scene came across as a symbolic gesture of Shepard laying down their arms, or in the case of IT, giving up.

Also in the control ending is the close up of the Star-brat. Now I think it’s been speculated here in this thread that the Star-brat may be smiling in the control ending but because of his transparent nature it’s impossible to tell. Personally I think he is and this shot backs that theory up. In the other endings you just see Star-brat disappear, you never see his face, so why in the control ending do they show him?

As I said before, close ups are generally used to convey deeper meanings and emotions, but there are multiple types of close ups and each have slightly different meanings when used in certain contexts. Medium close ups are like the one that was used in the scene where Shepard dropped their gun, it was used to draw emphasis to the action and possibly convey the symbolism of Shepard giving up. In the scene with Star-brat a cross between a normal close up and a big close up was used. Big close ups are generally used in interviews to emphasis the interviewees tension or, more importantly in this case, suggest that the person is lying or not to be trusted. Since there is no way to confirm whether he/it is smiling or showing any expression at all, make of this what you will.

Now for other examples. They aren’t as telling as the shots in the control ending but they’re interesting all the same.

In the synthesis ending, once Shepard jumps into the beam the camera is positioned above and behind him/her. Why not have the camera positioned below them as they jump into the beam? Having the camera at a high angle above and looking down at the character generally means that whoever the camera is supposed to represent, whether it be the audience or another character, is in a position of greater power and making the character on screen appear weaker. However according to some of my text books it can also suggest a feeling of detachment.

And finally in the destroy ending a large portion of the scene is made up of close ups, as the scene goes on the close ups become more and more extreme. Generally the rule is, the more extreme the close up the more emotion and symbolism the scene is trying to represent. So in the case of the destroy ending the shots are designed to show Shepards anger and determination.

Interesting stuff and it lends some credence to IT.

[SS2Dante]

estebanus wrote...

Damnit, I can't get that awesome music from MGS 2 outta my head! It's driving me crazy!

Oddly enough I was listening to the theme in bigass surround sound the other day. Is awesome

Also, it seems from that thread that Ash can pop up with male shep too.

[estebanus]

SS2Dante wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damnit, I can't get that awesome music from MGS 2 outta my head! It's driving me crazy!

Oddly enough I was listening to the theme in bigass surround sound the other day. Is awesome

Also, it seems from that thread that Ash can pop up with male shep too.

I got the HD collection a few days ago, and I'm loving the games so far!

Also, femshep is in the games, too! YAY! (Big femshep fan here!)

[SS2Dante]

estebanus wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damnit, I can't get that awesome music from MGS 2 outta my head! It's driving me crazy!

Oddly enough I was listening to the theme in bigass surround sound the other day. Is awesome

Also, it seems from that thread that Ash can pop up with male shep too.

I got the HD collection a few days ago, and I'm loving the games so far!

Also, femshep is in the games, too! YAY! (Big femshep fan here!)

Oh, had you not played them before? Need to get me the HD collection at some point.

And yup, same here. Think Hale's voice acting is superb in ME.

[SS2Dante]

Hmm, so that Ashley thing. Without a Kaiden appearance I can't say it's IT-ish, but I can't think of another way to explain it. Some people have suggested it's an easter egg and stuff but I don't buy that. And it's a weird ass glitch :S

[estebanus]

SS2Dante wrote...

estebanus wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damnit, I can't get that awesome music from MGS 2 outta my head! It's driving me crazy!

Oddly enough I was listening to the theme in bigass surround sound the other day. Is awesome

Also, it seems from that thread that Ash can pop up with male shep too.

I got the HD collection a few days ago, and I'm loving the games so far!

Also, femshep is in the games, too! YAY! (Big femshep fan here!)

Oh, had you not played them before? Need to get me the HD collection at some point.

And yup, same here. Think Hale's voice acting is superb in ME.

My brother had them, but he lost them a long time ago, 4 years, I think!

[dreamgazer]

SS2Dante wrote...

Hmm, so that Ashley thing. Without a Kaiden appearance I can't say it's IT-ish, but I can't think of another way to explain it. Some people have suggested it's an easter egg and stuff but I don't buy that. And it's a weird ass glitch :S

I believe I just read that Kaidan wasn't present in the Ashley-alive version of the scene.  Odd thing apparently: NOBODY's in that place during the Ashley-alive scene.

I wonder if Kaidan's floating around somewhere else.

[estebanus]

dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Hmm, so that Ashley thing. Without a Kaiden appearance I can't say it's IT-ish, but I can't think of another way to explain it. Some people have suggested it's an easter egg and stuff but I don't buy that. And it's a weird ass glitch :S

I believe I just read that Kaidan wasn't present in the Ashley-alive version of the scene.  Odd thing apparently: NOBODY's in that place during the Ashley-alive scene.

I wonder if Kaidan's floating around somewhere else.

There's a pretty easy way to answer that: artistic integrity Flycam!

Modifié par estebanus, 01 juin 2012 - 12:16 .

[SS2Dante]

dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Hmm, so that Ashley thing. Without a Kaiden appearance I can't say it's IT-ish, but I can't think of another way to explain it. Some people have suggested it's an easter egg and stuff but I don't buy that. And it's a weird ass glitch :S

I believe I just read that Kaidan wasn't present in the Ashley-alive version of the scene.  Odd thing apparently: NOBODY's in that place during the Ashley-alive scene.

I wonder if Kaidan's floating around somewhere else.

Yes, I'd agree that if it's intentional then that is probable. HOPEFULLY somewhere else in that scene, not hidden at some other traumatic point during the game :S

[Jere85]

you guys noticed this topic yet?
Its small and futile, but fun anyway...
http://social.biowar...ndex/12348266/1

[dreamgazer]

SS2Dante wrote...

Yes, I'd agree that if it's intentional then that is probable. HOPEFULLY somewhere else in that scene, not hidden at some other traumatic point during the game :S

I think it could be intentional; but, if anything, it's a byproduct of PTSD and not an indoctrination hint.  Still, it's a pretty interesting and ghostly easter egg, if that's the case. 

[SS2Dante]

dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Yes, I'd agree that if it's intentional then that is probable. HOPEFULLY somewhere else in that scene, not hidden at some other traumatic point during the game :S

I think it could be intentional; but, if anything, it's a byproduct of PTSD and not an indoctrination hint.  Still, it's a pretty interesting and ghostly easter egg, if that's the case. 

Agreed, but it would point out that Shep's sanity is not what it was.

[Unschuld]

Looks like I'm a little late to the party.

http://www.youtube.c...m38ep8AtZw#t=6s

Holy ****. Anyone flycam it yet?

Modifié par Unschuld, 01 juin 2012 - 12:37 .

[SS2Dante]

Unschuld wrote...

Looks like I'm a little late to the party.

http://www.youtube.c...m38ep8AtZw#t=6s

Holy ****. Anyone flycam it yet?

High res screenshots show it's her, or someone VERY similar looking. To be honest I can't believe the guy picked it up from that video, she's just a blueish blob in it

[dreamgazer]

SS2Dante wrote...

Agreed, but it would point out that Shep's sanity is not what it was.

Very much in agreement there.

Unschuld wrote...

Looks like I'm a little late to the party.

http://www.youtube.c...m38ep8AtZw#t=6s

Holy ****. Anyone flycam it yet?

Unless I'm mistaken, one of the thread's resident flycam aficionados is on it.

[Unschuld]

dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Yes, I'd agree that if it's intentional then that is probable. HOPEFULLY somewhere else in that scene, not hidden at some other traumatic point during the game :S

I think it could be intentional; but, if anything, it's a byproduct of PTSD and not an indoctrination hint.  Still, it's a pretty interesting and ghostly easter egg, if that's the case. 

True. You see your deceased friends' faces in crowds at the oddest times (I do, at least, and I'm not even officially diagnosed). Reflecting this could be their intentions. Regardless, IT or not, if that's Ash the inclusion WAS intentional for whatever reason. That's not just "lazy Bioware reusing assets".

Modifié par Unschuld, 01 juin 2012 - 12:42 .

[Bill Casey]

Wulfram wrote...

Screenshot from the game

[Unschuld]

Bill Casey wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Screenshot from the game

*snip*

NICE photosniping! Do we even need the flycam anymore?  That's definitely Ash!

Here's a good question though... if she's dead since Virmire, why is she wearing armor and a hairstyle that Shep potentially never saw?

Modifié par Unschuld, 01 juin 2012 - 12:45 .