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Gleeper wrote...

http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you



Looks like they're both there but when Ashley is standing Kaidan is....floating lol


So um...it just got weird.

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estebanus wrote...

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Hmm, so that Ashley thing. Without a Kaiden appearance I can't say it's IT-ish, but I can't think of another way to explain it. Some people have suggested it's an easter egg and stuff but I don't buy that. And it's a weird ass glitch :S


I believe I just read that Kaidan wasn't present in the Ashley-alive version of the scene.  Odd thing apparently: NOBODY's in that place during the Ashley-alive scene.

I wonder if Kaidan's floating around somewhere else.



There's a pretty easy way to answer that: artistic integrity Flycam!:wizard:


I remember when I made my first flycam video against some of IT. Man I got torn apart for using flycam. Now it's used by both sides at will. Inteserting topic this is.

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...And then not weird, Kaiden floating is almost certainly a result of the cutscene, since that's where you last saw him I think. But it does seem to confirm ashes presence.

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I very much believe in IT but since it seems to be the beat up version of Ashley, it's probably loaded for the alternate version of that scene.

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It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


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SS2Dante wrote...

...And then not weird, Kaiden floating is almost certainly a result of the cutscene, since that's where you last saw him I think. But it does seem to confirm ashes presence.


Very curious to see what the flipside of this scenario reveals.  Is Kaidan actually in the waiting area, maybe? 

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NelgN7 wrote...

I very much believe in IT but since it seems to be the beat up version of Ashley, it's probably loaded for the alternate version of that scene.


This doesn't even need to be IT, though. And if they loaded both models why not stick whichever you aren't using out of sight?

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EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.


Hmm.  What's going on here, then?  http://25.media.tumb...vbepo2_1280.jpg

(Picture's from the above Tumblr link). 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 01 juin 2012 - 01:00 .


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Unschuld wrote...

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Screenshot from the game

*snip*
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NICE photosniping! Do we even need the flycam anymore? :P That's definitely Ash!

Here's a good question though... if she's dead since Virmire, why is she wearing armor and a hairstyle that Shep potentially never saw?


I'm sure shepard would have seen her with her hair down at least once before she died

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EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


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http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.

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UrgedDuke wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Screenshot from the game

*snip*
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NICE photosniping! Do we even need the flycam anymore? :P That's definitely Ash!

Here's a good question though... if she's dead since Virmire, why is she wearing armor and a hairstyle that Shep potentially never saw?


I'm sure shepard would have seen her with her hair down at least once before she died


Hair down? Yeah, but Shepard's also giving Ashley the armor that she wears during the Reaper Wars, not her previous suit.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 01 juin 2012 - 01:02 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


Posted Image


http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.

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Crap, I was just gonna jump on here quickly then go to bed...then this all crops up...arrrg :P

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SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

I very much believe in IT but since it seems to be the beat up version of Ashley, it's probably loaded for the alternate version of that scene.


This doesn't even need to be IT, though. And if they loaded both models why not stick whichever you aren't using out of sight?


I think in this instance it is probably just an oversight and wasn't actually supposed to be in shot.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


Posted Image


http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.


Not saying it implies IT, could totally be just a neat thing for Bioware to do. If it was a mistake...the angles are weird. I mean, you could have stashed her model other places in the room that the camera doesn't see. And they must have known the model was there,

As for glitch....eh. I mean, how late into the process of making the cutscene could her model have suddenly appeared?

Still, while Kaiden remains undiscovered I'm willing to accept it's meaningless.

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estebanus wrote...

Damnit, I can't get that awesome music from MGS 2 outta my head! It's driving me crazy!


Please tell me when you finish 1-4.

Also
youtu.be/Yq1NqUqaLj8

Modifié par lex0r11, 01 juin 2012 - 01:13 .


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NelgN7 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

I very much believe in IT but since it seems to be the beat up version of Ashley, it's probably loaded for the alternate version of that scene.


This doesn't even need to be IT, though. And if they loaded both models why not stick whichever you aren't using out of sight?


I think in this instance it is probably just an oversight and wasn't actually supposed to be in shot.


Possible, I suppose...

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EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


*snip*


http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.

I don't even know if it's a glitch, it makes sense that both Ashley and Kaiden would be loaded into the scene, since either of them could be alive for this, but why they load it into the background all non-chalantly I don't know. They could have just put her under the floorr like the guy who makes the creepy footsteps in Shepards cabin.

Modifié par balance5050, 01 juin 2012 - 01:09 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

I very much believe in IT but since it seems to be the beat up version of Ashley, it's probably loaded for the alternate version of that scene.


This doesn't even need to be IT, though. And if they loaded both models why not stick whichever you aren't using out of sight?


I think in this instance it is probably just an oversight and wasn't actually supposed to be in shot.


Possible, I suppose...


It's an awfully strange time to have a slip-up like that.  Carting one Virmire survivor into the hospiral while they're on the brink of death, and you see the other---very much dead---in the background. 

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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.



http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.


Not saying it implies IT, could totally be just a neat thing for Bioware to do. If it was a mistake...the angles are weird. I mean, you could have stashed her model other places in the room that the camera doesn't see. And they must have known the model was there,

As for glitch....eh. I mean, how late into the process of making the cutscene could her model have suddenly appeared?

Still, while Kaiden remains undiscovered I'm willing to accept it's meaningless.


I know, just making the observation. You're right though, they could have put her under the floor like they do with other models, unless that floor was special lol.

If Kaiden was here, I'd say you guys had something. But then Shepard walks right past her and no one else seems to care. I mean Ashley Williams is supposed to be dead and she's just standing there, bruised up.

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


*snip*


http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.

I don't even know if it's a glitch, it makes sense that both Ashley and Kaiden would be loaded into the scene, since either of them could be alive for this, but why they load it into the background all non-chalantly I don't know. They could have just put her under the floorr like the guy who makes the creepy footsteps in Shepards cabin.


Haha I just wrote something like that.

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dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

I very much believe in IT but since it seems to be the beat up version of Ashley, it's probably loaded for the alternate version of that scene.


This doesn't even need to be IT, though. And if they loaded both models why not stick whichever you aren't using out of sight?


I think in this instance it is probably just an oversight and wasn't actually supposed to be in shot.


Possible, I suppose...


It's an awfully strange time to have a slip-up like that.  Carting one Virmire survivor into the hospiral while they're on the brink of death, and you see the other---very much dead---in the background. 


Yeah, it's another case of thematic meaning just happening to coincide with glitches :S

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EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.



http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.


Not saying it implies IT, could totally be just a neat thing for Bioware to do. If it was a mistake...the angles are weird. I mean, you could have stashed her model other places in the room that the camera doesn't see. And they must have known the model was there,

As for glitch....eh. I mean, how late into the process of making the cutscene could her model have suddenly appeared?

Still, while Kaiden remains undiscovered I'm willing to accept it's meaningless.


I know, just making the observation. You're right though, they could have put her under the floor like they do with other models, unless that floor was special lol.

If Kaiden was here, I'd say you guys had something. But then Shepard walks right past her and no one else seems to care. I mean Ashley Williams is supposed to be dead and she's just standing there, bruised up.


Dream logic! But nah, someone said in that other thread that it couldn't be in Shepards head because Shep has her back to Ashley and couldn't see her. i lol'ed :P

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dreamgazer wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

NelgN7 wrote...

I very much believe in IT but since it seems to be the beat up version of Ashley, it's probably loaded for the alternate version of that scene.


This doesn't even need to be IT, though. And if they loaded both models why not stick whichever you aren't using out of sight?


I think in this instance it is probably just an oversight and wasn't actually supposed to be in shot.


Possible, I suppose...


It's an awfully strange time to have a slip-up like that.  Carting one Virmire survivor into the hospiral while they're on the brink of death, and you see the other---very much dead---in the background. 


But then her face has the same bruises as the ones she gets if she's alive. They probably either didn't notice or knew but was too late to work her out of it so they blurred the background.

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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.



http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.


Not saying it implies IT, could totally be just a neat thing for Bioware to do. If it was a mistake...the angles are weird. I mean, you could have stashed her model other places in the room that the camera doesn't see. And they must have known the model was there,

As for glitch....eh. I mean, how late into the process of making the cutscene could her model have suddenly appeared?

Still, while Kaiden remains undiscovered I'm willing to accept it's meaningless.


I know, just making the observation. You're right though, they could have put her under the floor like they do with other models, unless that floor was special lol.

If Kaiden was here, I'd say you guys had something. But then Shepard walks right past her and no one else seems to care. I mean Ashley Williams is supposed to be dead and she's just standing there, bruised up.


Dream logic! But nah, someone said in that other thread that it couldn't be in Shepards head because Shep has her back to Ashley and couldn't see her. i lol'ed :P


Lol no way she's standing at the entrance.