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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


*snip*


http://agentrhodeisl...moment-when-you 

Each character has two armour sets, remember, and this is Ashes.


Checked the link.
OH SNAP!

Bioware, You Crazy!

Anyway, I always wanted, ever since virmire, to find that whoever I left survived somehow and would return in a later game. This isn't what I imagined lol.

This is a pretty big glitch though. I don't see the IT in this.

I don't even know if it's a glitch, it makes sense that both Ashley and Kaiden would be loaded into the scene, since either of them could be alive for this, but why they load it into the background all non-chalantly I don't know. They could have just put her under the floorr like the guy who makes the creepy footsteps in Shepards cabin.


Haha I just wrote something like that.


A coincidence!? INDOCTRINATION IS AFOOT!

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EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


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I know it's already linked but... yeah, that's Ash.

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Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's not Ashley. This woman has brown hair and the armor is different.

He's the best I could get. My fly cam bugged out here and couldn't move.


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I know it's already linked but... yeah, that's Ash.


Yeah i know. My pic was crap but this one is solid.

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only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
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EpyonX3 wrote...

I know, just making the observation. You're right though, they could have put her under the floor like they do with other models, unless that floor was special lol.

If Kaiden was here, I'd say you guys had something. But then Shepard walks right past her and no one else seems to care. I mean Ashley Williams is supposed to be dead and she's just standing there, bruised up.


I wouldn't say that just because Kaidan lacks a presence that it's meaningless. Maybe Kaidan is hidden in another scene? I will also say that it doesn't implicitly point at IT, either. I do think that it's intentional though, an easter egg meant for the player to catch out of the corner of their eye and think "Woah, who was that? Looked almost like Ash!"

"We want to make the player feel what Shepard is feeling."

Gentlemen, start your speculations.

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prettz wrote...

only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
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Perfect. Can you flycam the whole scene to look for Kaiden elsewhere?

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Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.

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balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.


It would be great if he was creepily staring through the hospital window at you while Shepard has that "talking to the unconcious Ash" moment. We'll bang, ok?

Modifié par Unschuld, 01 juin 2012 - 01:27 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
"snip"


Perfect. Can you flycam the whole scene to look for Kaiden elsewhere?

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.

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Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.


It would be great if he was creepily staring through the hospital window at you while Shepard has that "talking to the unconcious Ash" moment. We'll bang, ok?

Bricks would be shat :lol:
By the way guys, we need (need) to find a way to extract the unrealscript definitions from the game files.

When gibbed did it he picked up this bit of code from the ending sequence:

enum EEndGameOption
{
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave,
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine,
EGO_Demo,
EGO_None,
EGO_MAX,
}


Now, I'd love to be able to extract stuff like that, but every time I extract a .pcc file I just end up with loads of 1KB .bin files I can't use ¬_¬
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Modifié par TSA_383, 01 juin 2012 - 01:32 .


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Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.


It would be great if he was creepily staring through the hospital window at you while Shepard has that "talking to the unconcious Ash" moment. We'll bang, ok?


Oh GAWD....

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prettz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
"snip"


Perfect. Can you flycam the whole scene to look for Kaiden elsewhere?

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Super weird. I mean, If they successfully head Kaiden, why is Ash visible? Arg my head.

EDIT - don't suppose I can get that save? Would love to dig around some more.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 01 juin 2012 - 01:31 .


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prettz wrote...

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Bummer.  Is it possible he's somewhere else on the Citadel?

Crap, did the BSN just turn ME3 into Where's Waldo?

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TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.


It would be great if he was creepily staring through the hospital window at you while Shepard has that "talking to the unconcious Ash" moment. We'll bang, ok?

Bricks would be shat :lol:


Second that.

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dreamgazer wrote...

prettz wrote...

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Bummer.  Is it possible he's somewhere else on the Citadel?

Crap, did the BSN just turn ME3 into Where's Waldo?


The gift that keeps on...giving?

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SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
"snip"


Perfect. Can you flycam the whole scene to look for Kaiden elsewhere?

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Super weird. I mean, If they successfully head Kaiden, why is Ash visible? Arg my head.

EDIT - don't suppose I can get that save? Would love to dig around some more.


PC?

Also, what if they left it for all of the people who pick Kaiden just because they hated Ashley? Making it look like she's haunting you. Or maybe Ashley survived but is indoctrinated?!!

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TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.


It would be great if he was creepily staring through the hospital window at you while Shepard has that "talking to the unconcious Ash" moment. We'll bang, ok?

Bricks would be shat :lol:
By the way guys, we need (need) to find a way to extract the unrealscript definitions from the game files.

When gibbed did it he picked up this bit of code from the ending sequence:

enum EEndGameOption
{
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave,
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine,
EGO_Demo,
EGO_None,
EGO_MAX,
}


Now, I'd love to be able to extract stuff like that, but every time I extract a .pcc file I just end up with loads of 1KB .bin files I can't use ¬_¬
[/code]


I saw that last bit on parabolees blog, but I disagree that's it's evidence for indoc. I mean, even in the literal meaning you do kind of become a reaper in control.

EDIT- although those last three options are interesting....possibly for debugging? Max and min values...not sure about demo...

Modifié par SS2Dante, 01 juin 2012 - 01:39 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

prettz wrote...

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Bummer.  Is it possible he's somewhere else on the Citadel?

Crap, did the BSN just turn ME3 into Where's Waldo?


The gift that keeps on...giving?


I REALLY hope this isn't a wild goose chase though....

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EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
"snip"


Perfect. Can you flycam the whole scene to look for Kaiden elsewhere?

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Super weird. I mean, If they successfully head Kaiden, why is Ash visible? Arg my head.

EDIT - don't suppose I can get that save? Would love to dig around some more.


PC?

Also, what if they left it for all of the people who pick Kaiden just because they hated Ashley? Making it look like she's haunting you. Or maybe Ashley survived but is indoctrinated?!!


PC.

Or maybe she's HITLER! :P  (was gonna link to a Futurama Scary Door ep but can't find it on youtube :( )

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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
"snip"


Perfect. Can you flycam the whole scene to look for Kaiden elsewhere?

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Super weird. I mean, If they successfully head Kaiden, why is Ash visible? Arg my head.

EDIT - don't suppose I can get that save? Would love to dig around some more.


PC?

Also, what if they left it for all of the people who pick Kaiden just because they hated Ashley? Making it look like she's haunting you. Or maybe Ashley survived but is indoctrinated?!!


PC.

Or maybe she's HITLER! :P  (was gonna link to a Futurama Scary Door ep but can't find it on youtube :( )


I don't want to live on this planet anymore

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SS2Dante wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.


It would be great if he was creepily staring through the hospital window at you while Shepard has that "talking to the unconcious Ash" moment. We'll bang, ok?

Bricks would be shat :lol:
By the way guys, we need (need) to find a way to extract the unrealscript definitions from the game files.

When gibbed did it he picked up this bit of code from the ending sequence:

enum EEndGameOption
{
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave,
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine,
EGO_Demo,
EGO_None,
EGO_MAX,
}


Now, I'd love to be able to extract stuff like that, but every time I extract a .pcc file I just end up with loads of 1KB .bin files I can't use ¬_¬
[/code]


I saw that last bit on parabolees blog, but I disagree that's it's evidence for indoc. I mean, even in the literal meaning you do kind of become a reaper in control.


It might not be something nudging towards indoctrination, but that line of code isn't very sensitive to the pro-control camp. "AssumeDirectControl" or "HarnessCompleteControl" or something along those lines would have been much easier to explain after the files have been picked apart than "BecomeAReaper". 

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balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

prettz wrote...

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Bummer.  Is it possible he's somewhere else on the Citadel?

Crap, did the BSN just turn ME3 into Where's Waldo?


The gift that keeps on...giving?


I REALLY hope this isn't a wild goose chase though....


I don't think anyone wants it to be a wild goose chase.  

If it's an asset oversight, though, it's one with very unusual, thematically-relevant circumstances. 

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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

prettz wrote...

only had a save near with ash as the survivor and no one shows up. strange
"snip"


Perfect. Can you flycam the whole scene to look for Kaiden elsewhere?

I look around and did not see him, did not look to see if his model was in the walls.


Super weird. I mean, If they successfully head Kaiden, why is Ash visible? Arg my head.

EDIT - don't suppose I can get that save? Would love to dig around some more.


PC?

Also, what if they left it for all of the people who pick Kaiden just because they hated Ashley? Making it look like she's haunting you. Or maybe Ashley survived but is indoctrinated?!!


PC.

Or maybe she's HITLER! :P  (was gonna link to a Futurama Scary Door ep but can't find it on youtube :( )


Don't worry I got it.

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SS2Dante wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, unless we can find a scene with Ash as the survivor and Kaiden in the background, I'm just going to attribute this as an easter egg at most.


It would be great if he was creepily staring through the hospital window at you while Shepard has that "talking to the unconcious Ash" moment. We'll bang, ok?

Bricks would be shat :lol:
By the way guys, we need (need) to find a way to extract the unrealscript definitions from the game files.

When gibbed did it he picked up this bit of code from the ending sequence:

enum EEndGameOption
{
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave,
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine,
EGO_Demo,
EGO_None,
EGO_MAX,
}


Now, I'd love to be able to extract stuff like that, but every time I extract a .pcc file I just end up with loads of 1KB .bin files I can't use ¬_¬
[/code]


I saw that last bit on parabolees blog, but I disagree that's it's evidence for indoc. I mean, even in the literal meaning you do kind of become a reaper in control.

EDIT- although those last three options are interesting....possibly for debugging? Max and min values...not sure about demo...


The more I see stuff like this the more I believe that the Dark Energy script was the real deal. In that script you become a reaper. In the current endings you control all reapers.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Lex0r, Megumi, Maximized, up for some multiplayer? I'm ready to kick some butt on whatever difficulty you want.


Felt like a noob just now in the lobby with my ~180 N7.

:lol:



I wouldn't if I was you. Although I always knew getting a high N7 score was just an indicator of constant promotions not actual skill I've actually came to the realization that most of the high ranked players I've come across (1800+) are pretty crap and probably just farmed firebase white for a week. Some of the easiest gold extractions I've had have been with lower N7 ranked players.


In my case I just suck.


What? There is no "suck" in the IT crowd.

I could put you through boot camp if you want.

You'll be melee finishing phantoms on gold when I'm done with you.





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