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RavenEyry wrote...
Should be noted that there is no reason not to call Mr. Sparkle 'catalyst' in the game files, unless he was designed while Javik was still the catalyst, and why would that be?
HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Saren was a Spectre before being exposed by Shepard. Instead of searching the whole Galaxy he could just walk in and sabotage the Citadel from the inside. The only explanation I can see is that his indoctrination progressed through the whole first game and Saren was never fully committed to the Reapers' cause.HellishFiend wrote...
Because if they did that, the Council would just close up the Citadel, and the attack would fail. They needed a man on the inside to make sure the Citadel was open so that Sovereign could get in, and then close to protect him.
Sovereign still wanted to find the Conduit so he could shut it down. He probably felt his best chance of doing that was to do it before wiping out the organics from that cycle.
Modifié par Raestoz, 01 juin 2012 - 05:09 .
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<data>Hey Shepard, you usually like to ask a question after I've finished speaking. </data>
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<data>You sound pretty good, Shepard, but there's work to be done.</data>
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<data>That's right, I'd like to know how my phonemes are shaping up crewman?</data>
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<data>What do you Henchmen have to say about this?</data>
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He actually closed the arms.Raestoz wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Saren was a Spectre before being exposed by Shepard. Instead of searching the whole Galaxy he could just walk in and sabotage the Citadel from the inside. The only explanation I can see is that his indoctrination progressed through the whole first game and Saren was never fully committed to the Reapers' cause.HellishFiend wrote...
Because if they did that, the Council would just close up the Citadel, and the attack would fail. They needed a man on the inside to make sure the Citadel was open so that Sovereign could get in, and then close to protect him.
Sovereign still wanted to find the Conduit so he could shut it down. He probably felt his best chance of doing that was to do it before wiping out the organics from that cycle.
After ME3 - maybe Saren didn't have a clue that all he'd had to do is catch a lift to the bottom most point of the Citadel and push a console button to open the arms.
P.S. I miss Saren - he was a 100000x better boss figure then the crap we got in ME3.
Raestoz wrote...
After ME3 - maybe Saren didn't have a clue that all he'd had to do is catch a lift to the bottom most point of the Citadel and push a console button to open the arms.
P.S. I miss Saren - he was a 100000x better boss figure then the crap we got in ME3.
That's not true. Neither Saren nor TIM are bad. They are under Reaper influence and cannot be held responsible for their actions. This is the tragedy of Mass Effect.HellishFiend wrote...
Raestoz wrote...
After ME3 - maybe Saren didn't have a clue that all he'd had to do is catch a lift to the bottom most point of the Citadel and push a console button to open the arms.
P.S. I miss Saren - he was a 100000x better boss figure then the crap we got in ME3.
Yes, but Saren was a more or less traditional bad guy. The "bad guy" (if you can call it that) of me3 is indoctrination. To quote Ashley: "How do you fight something that can worm it's way inside your head?"
Modifié par paxxton, 01 juin 2012 - 05:21 .
paxxton wrote...
That's nnot true. Neither Saren nnoor TIM are bad. They are under Reaper influence and cannot be held responsible for their actions. This the tragedy of Mass Effect.
Modifié par HellishFiend, 01 juin 2012 - 05:19 .
Damn wireless keyboards.HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
That's nnot true. Neither Saren nnoor TIM are bad. They are under Reaper influence and cannot be held responsible for their actions. This the tragedy of Mass Effect.
I should have used the word "antagonist", then, but you know what I meant...
The only evil in Mass Effect is the Reapers' behavior.
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
Because of her reactions that are quite comparable with the reactions of the VSs and James.paxxton wrote...
@MegumiAzusa: Why do you think Liara might be indoctrinated? Is it because of her name (Liar-a)?
In more detail: http://social.biowar...32/260#12232510
There was still good in him. Like in Lord Vader. He just was too late to realize that humans weren't bad. Persuading him to commit suicide and he thanking Shepard - that points to the fact that he didn't felt right with what he had done.HellishFiend wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Yeah, but I've given up trying to convince people of that. They just need to read the first novel to get it.
Modifié par paxxton, 01 juin 2012 - 05:38 .
HellishFiend wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Yeah, but I've given up trying to convince people of that. They just need to read the first novel to get it.
You'd think people would get that just from what Anderson told you about him. I never liked the guy based on that alone.HellishFiend wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Yeah, but I've given up trying to convince people of that. They just need to read the first novel to get it.
HellishFiend wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Yeah, but I've given up trying to convince people of that. They just need to read the first novel to get it.
HellishFiend wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Yeah, but I've given up trying to convince people of that. They just need to read the first novel to get it.
He believed he was doing the right thing. Even if it was bad, that doesn't make him an evil person. Rather a tragic one. I hope that makes sense to you.Rosewind wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Yeah, but I've given up trying to convince people of that. They just need to read the first novel to get it.
Or pay attention to what people say in the game.
Modifié par paxxton, 01 juin 2012 - 05:46 .
I wasn't saying he wasn't a hero pre-indoc, I was saying he wasn't a saint either.paxxton wrote...
He believed he was doing the right thing. Even if it was bad, that doesn't make him an evil person. Rather a tragic one. I hope that makes sense to you.
Modifié par paxxton, 01 juin 2012 - 06:00 .
Killing a bunch of innocent people just to sabotage the first human Specter candidate makes him a total d*** from beginning to end. imho. Which, of coarse, makes him a very interesting character.RavenEyry wrote...
I wasn't saying he wasn't a hero pre-indoc, I was saying he wasn't a saint either.paxxton wrote...
He believed he was doing the right thing. Even if it was bad, that doesn't make him an evil person. Rather a tragic one. I hope that makes sense to you.
Tis does, but alas I already knew that lol.paxxton wrote...
He believed he was doing the right thing. Even if it was bad, that doesn't make him an evil person. Rather a tragic one. I hope that makes sense to you.Rosewind wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Yeah, but I've given up trying to convince people of that. They just need to read the first novel to get it.
Or pay attention to what people say in the game.
RavenEyry wrote...
Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.
Modifié par paxxton, 01 juin 2012 - 06:15 .
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