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[D.Sharrah]

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

Crazy...I was crazy once...

[Bill Casey]

excelon wrote...

How pissed are you guys going to be if IT turns out not to be true?

It's true...
If Bioware tries to disprove it, then Bioware is indoctrinated...
They spent too long writing about Reapers, trying to understand them...

[masster blaster]

I just replayed ME3 ending and I noticed when you walk to either control or synthesis the god child follows but when you pick destroy the god child stays behind until you shoot the reactor core. I also noticed that Anderson as a cardinax, that Shepard has when he wakes up.I also would like to point out that they mention dark matter, Indoctrination through out the game, which is weird because I thought Bioware scraped IT and Dark matter out of the game plot.

[TSA_383]

Dwailing wrote...

Sooooo, any world shattering observations?

Not really, a fair bit of cool tidbits though, like the fact that Aria's lines from before and after the "Retake Omega" mission are already in the game files:

Here's her lines after you take back Omega:

<string>
        <id>644661</id>
        <position>59413</position>
        <data>Since we took back Omega, I've been consolidating my resources for the war. It's a little easier to coordinate from here.</data>
    </string>
    <string>
        <id>644663</id>
        <position>59414</position>
        <data>So, unfortunately, I'll be slumming it on the Citadel for the time being.</data>
    </string>
    <string>
        <id>644664</id>
        <position>59415</position>
        <data>But since you're here, let's talk.</data>
    </string>

[D.Sharrah]

Bill Casey wrote...

excelon wrote...

How pissed are you guys going to be if IT turns out not to be true?

It's true...
If Bioware tries to disprove it, then Bioware is indoctrinated...
They spent too long writing about Reapers, trying to understand them...

Less pissed than the Anti-IT'ers are going to be if its true...

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

Crazy...I was crazy once...

They locked me in a little rubber room...

[masster blaster]

Bill Casey wrote...

excelon wrote...

How pissed are you guys going to be if IT turns out not to be true?

It's true...
If Bioware tries to disprove it, then Bioware is indoctrinated...
They spent too long writing about Reapers, trying to understand them...

Well then what was the point in fighting the Reapers then if you let them live what is the chance they will redue the cycle killing again? What was all the sacrifes that Shepard, and his friends did to stop the Reapers for. Thats just it Destroying the Reapers through out the Game series was the main idea, but in Me3 everything just goes down hill. I mean come on save the Reapers! They don't disserve to live at all because they have caused so much pain in the galaxy for millions of years and they have killed to main innocent peaople including Shepard's friends and people he/she meet over the trilogy. IT's just wromg if BIoware let's the Reapers get away with everything they have done, and the weird part of it all is no matter what if you have low assents or high Reapers always either get killed or let live and the Normandy runs/survives the explosin. So IT has to fit the bill.

[Bill Casey]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

excelon wrote...

How pissed are you guys going to be if IT turns out not to be true?

It's true...
If Bioware tries to disprove it, then Bioware is indoctrinated...
They spent too long writing about Reapers, trying to understand them...

Less pissed than the Anti-IT'ers are going to be if its true...

Control and Synthesis at face value break the goddamn trilogy...
They are offensively stupid, and they tacked on a bunch of **** to make destroy sound as awful as possible...
Also at face value, it means they ripped off the endings to the Deus Ex games and shoved them in a game where it doesn't fit...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 01 juin 2012 - 11:37 .

[Rosewind]

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

*Manic Laigh* anyway back on top, how about them ummm guns?

[D.Sharrah]

I have a question for the IT'ers...what do you consider to be gameplay? What does Bioware? Is it combat? Is it dialogue? What is gameplay?

I ask, because I continue so see the "There will be no new gameplay" line thrown out there, very single time someone tries to make a comment on interperting what happens in the ending...

For me, with a game like ME 3, that is supposed to be conversation driven - I would consider "new" dialogue as gameplay. A very small amount of gameplay, yes...but gameplay nonetheless.

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

Crazy...I was crazy once...

They locked me in a little rubber room...

It was cold in there...[shivers]

[estebanus]

Anyone wanna play some multiplayer with me?

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

Crazy...I was crazy once...

They locked me in a little rubber room...

It was cold in there...[shivers]

And there were rats...

[estebanus]

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

Crazy...I was crazy once...

They locked me in a little rubber room...

It was cold in there...[shivers]

And there were rats...

STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!

[D.Sharrah]

estebanus wrote...

Anyone wanna play some multiplayer with me?

You're on PC, right?  So alas, even if I did play MP...I could not, since I am on the 360...I kinda wish that they would let us play cross platform...

[D.Sharrah]

estebanus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

Crazy...I was crazy once...

They locked me in a little rubber room...

It was cold in there...[shivers]

And there were rats...

STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!

What?  Heard that one...its only one of the greatest circular skits of all time.

Edit:  I was wondering when someone was going to catch on...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 01 juin 2012 - 11:42 .

[estebanus]

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyone wanna play some multiplayer with me?

You're on PC, right?  So alas, even if I did play MP...I could not, since I am on the 360...I kinda wish that they would let us play cross platform...

Yes, I'm on the PC.

But yes, I really do hope that it will later on be possible to play with console gamers, like what happended in Portal 2! Then I could actually play with my brother!

[estebanus]

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, it's a well know fact that we ARE all crazy.  But our craziness is less Joker crazy and more Batman crazy.

Meh I am more of  Harlyqin crazy

OK.  (Takes slow, proverbial steps backwards.)

Crazy...I was crazy once...

They locked me in a little rubber room...

It was cold in there...[shivers]

And there were rats...

STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!

What?  Heard that one...its only one of the greatest circular skits of all time.

Edit:  I was wondering when someone was going to catch on...

I just Chuck Testa'd you!

[D.Sharrah]

estebanus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyone wanna play some multiplayer with me?

You're on PC, right?  So alas, even if I did play MP...I could not, since I am on the 360...I kinda wish that they would let us play cross platform...

Yes, I'm on the PC.

But yes, I really do hope that it will later on be possible to play with console gamers, like what happended in Portal 2! Then I could actually play with my brother!

It will be interseting to see what happens with the intergration of the Live Services into Windows 8...maybe it will open the door...

Speaking of which I heard that E3, Microsoft is presenting on something called "Smart Glass"...should be on Endgadget, you should look it up.

[estebanus]

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyone wanna play some multiplayer with me?

You're on PC, right?  So alas, even if I did play MP...I could not, since I am on the 360...I kinda wish that they would let us play cross platform...

Yes, I'm on the PC.

But yes, I really do hope that it will later on be possible to play with console gamers, like what happended in Portal 2! Then I could actually play with my brother!

It will be interseting to see what happens with the intergration of the Live Services into Windows 8...maybe it will open the door...

Speaking of which I heard that E3, Microsoft is presenting on something called "Smart Glass"...should be on Endgadget, you should look it up.

Hmmm... Interesting...

[masster blaster]

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyone wanna play some multiplayer with me?

You're on PC, right?  So alas, even if I did play MP...I could not, since I am on the 360...I kinda wish that they would let us play cross platform...

Yes, I'm on the PC.

But yes, I really do hope that it will later on be possible to play with console gamers, like what happended in Portal 2! Then I could actually play with my brother!

It will be interseting to see what happens with the intergration of the Live Services into Windows 8...maybe it will open the door...

Speaking of which I heard that E3, Microsoft is presenting on something called "Smart Glass"...should be on Endgadget, you should look it up.

I wonder what Bioware will do at E3 or I they not doing E3 this year?

[EpyonX3]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

excelon wrote...

How pissed are you guys going to be if IT turns out not to be true?

It's true...
If Bioware tries to disprove it, then Bioware is indoctrinated...
They spent too long writing about Reapers, trying to understand them...

Less pissed than the Anti-IT'ers are going to be if its true...

Which is why I won't be gloating. The endings as they are aren't much to be jumping for joy about. And then they may screw up explaining how they indoctrinated Shepard while saying he saved the day.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Anyone wanna play some multiplayer with me?

You're on PC, right?  So alas, even if I did play MP...I could not, since I am on the 360...I kinda wish that they would let us play cross platform...

Yes, I'm on the PC.

But yes, I really do hope that it will later on be possible to play with console gamers, like what happended in Portal 2! Then I could actually play with my brother!

It will be interseting to see what happens with the intergration of the Live Services into Windows 8...maybe it will open the door...

Speaking of which I heard that E3, Microsoft is presenting on something called "Smart Glass"...should be on Endgadget, you should look it up.

I wonder what Bioware will do at E3 or I they not doing E3 this year?

They are.

[masster blaster]

Do you all think that there is nothing more to talk about that can support IT since we pretty much covered all the evidence that we can find.

[Arian Dynas]

MaximizedAction wrote...

In some way, even Synthesis is equivalent to control. Besides both not having a Shepard-breath scene, both are choices where the Guardian successfully convinced the player away from Destroy.

Now, consider the following: At the PAX Patrick Weekes explained, that in order to make saving the Geth an interesting choice for the player, the writers had to make the Quarians less innocent and the Geth' motivations more understandable.

And they accomplished that pretty well. Tali seemed now more of a racist, as did most of the Quarians, too. That felt like a naturally motivated shift of opinions the player has.

So the writers knew that the player's view on the previously bad guys had to be altered WAY before the actual choice had to be made, not a few minutes before that. It's a slow process to make the bad parties intentions more attractive.

That did not really happen with the idea of Controlling the Reapers. Yes, TIM always said how he thought it was important, but besides the mumbling at the end, no real arguments were given. No effort towards relativating both parties' standpoints.
Maybe I am too Paragon, but I didn't exactly feel like someone was challanging my world view in a natural way, but more in an aggressive way, forcing me into rethinking. And if I thought to much, I got a critical mission failure.

In my case, the major convincing thing that there is more to destroy and all that basically boils down to one thing. There is nothing, nothing at all that makes Destroy attractive... unless you choose to beleive the Guardian is lying. Bioware is pretty good about making every single one of their choices mean something, not having one have less meaning than the other (or at least the Mass Effect Team is) why stop now?

Also, something funny I noticed, much like the Ultima series, a longrunning beloved and popular series was destroyed in it's final installment by the main character acting entirely out of character, having a meeting with an enigmatic being known as the Guardian, and then causing a big explosion by way of something that contradicts the core philosophy of the series.

Though in that case that was because the actual writers who created everything were completely uninvolved with the story of the actual game, the plot they wrote was scrapped and written by entirely new people, not the same team it was since the beginning (light one) like here.

In other words, perhaps people are actually beleiving this because it's happened before, and they're in the "once bitten, twice shy" thought process, without questioning why this would happen, lacking the logical reasons for it happening in Ultima Ascension.

HellishFiend wrote...

Someone posted an excellent idea not too long ago about Shepard having some sort of indoctrination nightmare related to their background history that you picked in ME1. Would be really cool if they did something like that. But they'd have to find a way for it to tie in to the ending for it to make sense. 

I can see that being DLC.

Basically ala DA2, Shepard can go up to their bed anytime after a misson, activate, lie down, go to sleep and start dreaming.

dreamgazer wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Saren was a tremendous ***hole long before finding Sovereign, but was definitely more a racist anti-hero than a villain.

A chaotic-neutral renegade, sort of. 

I've pointed this out before, but notice that on both accounts, both indoctrinated individuals were renegade. THeir hearts were in the right place, but their methods were questionable, and both ended up indoctrinated.