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byne wrote...

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Legion says it best, really, "Geth build our own future. The heretics asked the Old Machines to give them the future. They are no longer part of us."


Legion is just full of good quotes.

Like when he explains the geth are building a Dyson Sphere to load themselves into:

Shep: So you're building a giant spaceship to load yourselves into. Sounds like a Reaper to me.
Legion: We bear no malice towards organics. You are different, but we accept you. The Reapers are more your future than ours.

Meanwhile, on the Citadel:

Godchild: RAWR SYNTHETICS ARE THE DEVIL! THEY WILL EAT YOUR BABIES!

Like 90% of the synthetics you ever encounter are either not hostile to organics, or just minding their own business.

8% are hostile geth being controlled by the Reapers

1% is the Overlord AI, which was driven by organics to try and destroy the galaxy, and wouldnt have done so if they'd left it alone.

The final 1% is that stupid AI on the Citadel in ME1 that was stealing credits and then blew up.

It was all 'Organics will always try to destroy synthetics! It is inevitable! *boom*'

Wait a second, an AI using faulty logic on board the Citadel?! That AI must have been a friend of Godchild's.


What if they are one and the same? :blink:

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Oh snap, Rooster Teeth put up another Minecraft Let's Play!

Time to go AFK for 23 minutes and 46 seconds!

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byne wrote...

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Nuts. Was hoping I would get someone with that. I may have to try again at a more high traffic hour.


Plus if you're gonna try doing that, don't insinuate someone else has used your account, make it seem like you were trolling us all along, putting massive amounts of effort into being the most dedicated troll ever.


Nah, the moment, what little of it there was, has passed. I promise, scout's honor, no more jokes like that. Oh by the way I'm a woman.

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byne wrote...

Oh snap, Rooster Teeth put up another Minecraft Let's Play!

Time to go AFK for 23 minutes and 46 seconds!


Best Let's Play ever. Of all time.

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I'll post this here and on the HT thread as well, becuase it relates to
both, and this seems to be the best place to find you guys.
Thanks!

@macrocarl:
The problem I have with that version of IT is that the breath scene doesn't
make sense. It's awesome, but it doesn't make sense to me. In the intro
to ME2 Shepard had a full spacesuit, with helmet, was in a much smaller
explosion and even then Shepard died. I have a hard time believing that
Shep survived being physially in the citadel or the crucible. I don't
think it works both ways. But anything is possible, we'll see. I don't
know much about this beings of light  theory. Can you recomend some
place I might find out more about it?


@Arian Dynas:
Thank you for your input! I've never been real sure of weather I should call
it the Reaper Consensus, or specifically Harbinger. Harbinger does make
more sense based on what we know, but I think theirs enough grey areas
to continue to speculate. Does the DLC content say anyting about this? I don't have any of it.
Shepard does have lots of Cybernetics, maybe that's why it Shep who makes it
that far when no one else does? But then that would require another
explanation for the TIM & Anderson scene.
Like I mentioned to  Marocarl, I think it's possible, but I don't think the breath scene
makes sense if Shepard is actually physically up there making the
choice, especailly after the begining of ME2. Is there any way but space
magic to survive that?
Thanks for the input! I need blunt opinons if I want to fill in the gaps.

Modifié par RebelReya, 02 juin 2012 - 08:35 .


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finish my vid of the garden vanishing. did not turn out like I'd hope XD did not release the second part where I try to have the camera be the kid running all the way to the balcony, showing how long it will take. was doing a voice over for the kid freaking out. a bit corny so not sure if to release it.:lol:


www.youtube.com/watch

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Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .

Modifié par masster blaster, 02 juin 2012 - 06:01 .


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masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.

Modifié par byne, 02 juin 2012 - 06:04 .


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But is it just me or did it feel like the Stargazer at the end of ME3 was telling his grandson about a made up Character that could have never even existed. That's what pissed me of was that " so all this time we were playing a story that was being told by a Grandfather about the Story story which makes no sense since everything that happened in ME1 did not look like a story beginning but the diffrence was we were telling the story..

Modifié par masster blaster, 02 juin 2012 - 06:07 .


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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.


Not really all you need is Wrex and Grunt and you are good to go.

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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.


Not really all you need is Wrex and Grunt and you are good to go.


Sneaking inside a Reaper and detonating a bomb inside it is likely a suicide mission.

Not the kind of thing you wanna send Wrex and Grunt on.

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.


Not really all you need is Wrex and Grunt and you are good to go.


Sneaking inside a Reaper and detonating a bomb inside it is likely a suicide mission.

Not the kind of thing you wanna send Wrex and Grunt on.


We could send Allers Posted Image

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.


Not really all you need is Wrex and Grunt and you are good to go.


Sneaking inside a Reaper and detonating a bomb inside it is likely a suicide mission.

Not the kind of thing you wanna send Wrex and Grunt on.


No but they can clear a path inside the Reapers and While Garrus and Legion provid covering fire with Sniper fire.

Modifié par masster blaster, 02 juin 2012 - 06:11 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.


Not really all you need is Wrex and Grunt and you are good to go.


Sneaking inside a Reaper and detonating a bomb inside it is likely a suicide mission.

Not the kind of thing you wanna send Wrex and Grunt on.


We could send Allers Posted Image


No send Conrade and Allers that should safice.

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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.


Not really all you need is Wrex and Grunt and you are good to go.


Sneaking inside a Reaper and detonating a bomb inside it is likely a suicide mission.

Not the kind of thing you wanna send Wrex and Grunt on.


No but they can clear a path inside the Reapers and While Garrus and Legion provid covering fire with Sniper fire.


Pretty sure the only reason they got bombs inside the Reapers on Palaven in the first place was because the Reapers were bringing people aboard for indoctrination. If you start shooting your way towards a Reaper its just gonna close the door. You gotta be stealthy.

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No send Conrade and Allers that should safice.


Why would we send Conrad?!

We only send Allers because we hate Allers.

No one hates Conrad!

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


No send Conrade and Allers that should safice.


Why would we send Conrad?!

We only send Allers because we hate Allers.

No one hates Conrad!


I don't hate him it's just I was doing the alternitive ending for Mass Effect 3 when Shepard finds out what happens to him, and he uses Conrad as a replacment.

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Can we just nuke the Reapers.

Oh wait that's right all of the nukes at Earth wear destroyed just like Project Firewalker that really didn't matter but still .


Didnt you listen to the Drill Sergeant in ME2?

This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferris slug, feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an everest class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3% of light-speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city-buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means- Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space.

Our dreadnoughts already have guns that shoot with the same force as a nuke, so nuking them would be pointless.

Though at Palaven they managed to smuggle warp bombs  inside Reapers and blow em up, but getting inside a Reaper would be tricky.


Not really all you need is Wrex and Grunt and you are good to go.


Sneaking inside a Reaper and detonating a bomb inside it is likely a suicide mission.

Not the kind of thing you wanna send Wrex and Grunt on.


No but they can clear a path inside the Reapers and While Garrus and Legion provid covering fire with Sniper fire.


Pretty sure the only reason they got bombs inside the Reapers on Palaven in the first place was because the Reapers were bringing people aboard for indoctrination. If you start shooting your way towards a Reaper its just gonna close the door. You gotta be stealthy.



Then we send Thane and Legion in since one Thane best assassian to ever live in Sic Fi and Legion never makes a sound.

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Then we send Thane and Legion in since one Thane best assassian to ever live in Sic Fi and Legion never makes a sound.


Except they're both dead.

How about we stick to the suicide bomb method thats been proven to work, and not try to shoehorn squadmates in where they dont need to be?

Modifié par byne, 02 juin 2012 - 06:31 .


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Oh guys and ladies I created a poll about RVB for ME and I want to know if I got the Character description on who would play as who if there was versus mode in MP.

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Then we send Thane and Legion in since one Thane best assassian to ever live in Sic Fi and Legion never makes a sound.


Except they're both dead.

How about we stick to the suicide bomb method thats been proven to work, and not try to shoehorn squadmates in where they dont need to be?


K then Send Shepard to do it if he can survive inentry from orbit and can get with any person in the galaxy on his/her side on and off the field's of battle then there.

or send Joker in a Reaper he needs to get out of the Normandy once in a while since his legs are perfectly fine and he made it all up since there could have been so many times were he could have broken his legs even with a slight snezz.

Modifié par masster blaster, 02 juin 2012 - 06:38 .


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Trollgunner wrote...

Some pages ago I asked about TIM's "incredible power to control humans" no one answered yet. I'll ask again, do you think that his ability to control you and Miranda's father statement about finishing "smth" to control indocrinated, are connected?


In a way. The though of that control being possible is a suggestion planted in Sheps mind and would work within a hallucination/indoctrination scenario, but in reality - there is no precedent for controlling the body without total control of the mind... e.g. Harbinger, assuming direct(total) control.

Sanctuary is a well designed trap by the Reapers.

First it makes Shepard think they are not working together, or are enemies. This does two things; it creates doubt that TIM is indoctrinated and it puts forth the slight possibility that TIM may have found a way to control husks. Although controlling a Reaper is mentioned, it's never qualified.

The fact that the base was attacked may lead players/Shep to think TIM was on to something and that the Reapers 'may have a weakness'

The mundane answer to the attach is playing with the signal simply got the Reapers attention and drew in attack forces.

The convoluted answer is that the entire scene was staged as a lead up to tricking Shep into picking control - thinking it may be possible.

If you read the datapads @ sanctuary, you'll notice that it was a Reaper goo processing center. Cerberus was tricked into doing the Reapers work for them - liquefying the dead with a new 'special' process, just like the rogue collector faction did in the Prothian cycle with the drone bugs. The method was different, but the results would probably eventually be the same... Collectors = Cybermodded Cerberus Agents without the ability to think for themselves. (read the datapad on N7 Cerberus Lab - Private Talavi's Brother.)

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A note on the Citadel - conduit/beam thing and Reaper processing evidence; which for the record, I don't think really exists as Shep saw it...

How big was the collector Ship?

Were were all the processing tanks that held people before they were liquefied? And the huge tubes leading to the 'build chamber'? Where would the build chamber be... ah crap! How big is the Crucible?

So either there is no way a reaper processing area could exist where it supposedly is; under the citadel tower... it's too damn small. Or we were all tricked into building a Reaper womb.

I need to stop thinking about this crap... I'm making things worse for galactic health.

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When I first played Silent Hill 2, I thought "No way is this stuff happening in reality. It's all in this guy's head."

I was pleasantly surprised they found a way to explain, more or less, how it was happening within reality.

The opposite is true for the ending of ME3. I would be disgusted if they tried to explain how the ending happened within reality...

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balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

On my first play through I got suckered into synthesis despite my better judgement, the reapers(Bioware) definitely indoctrinated me.


Me too, but it was just cause I was curious, it was like "this I gotta see."

I chose synthesis the first time purely because I wanted to see what happened. I was dissapointed.