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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Just found really good reason nukes are not used for ship to ship combat.

The force and heat effect of nuke is purely limted to an atmosphere. The radiation of the atomic bomb disperses in the form of heat and force through the air around it, but without an atmosphere the nuke delivers its entire payload purely in the form of radiation.

So unless the Reapers are planetside the nukes have zero effect...

Oh and even planetside you need to place a nuke spot on for full effect. To put it like this the Hiroshima bomb exploded for a heat of 300.000 Kelvin at the center...the ground however, 400 m below was only affected with a heat of 6.000 Kelvin...

Prety drastic drop, so unless that nuke gets really close (like how the Korgan and Turian smuggled a few inside Reapers) I dont think there will be much of an effect.


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Thanks, Sten.

Do you know what the difference is between a star and a gas giant? The mass of a star allows it to sustain nuclear fusion at its core. That's why they tend to be hot and explodey. If the heat from fusion completely dissipated outside of an atmosphere, then the sun wouldn't be heating the solar system. And... well... it is.

And again, comparing the Hiroshima nuke to one that would be used on Reapers in Mass Effect would be akin to comparing a starter's pistol to this thing. If you simply mean that only very close to the blast would take full effect, that's true. Which is why I said the hard part would be getting the nuke to a Reaper.

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Just adding the the whole "nuke" debate.

I always thought that that the universe as a whole generally condemmend the use of nuclear weapons and had advanced beyond the need for nuclear weapons. Rememebr back in ME1 you had a side mission where you had to disarm satellites that were tipped with a nuclear payload to stop any would be thieves recovering our technology. At the time you had to do it before the coucil found out as it was a reckless action to have nuclear bobby traps.


I think that was just because it's kind of a douchebag thing to do to booby trap it with a city-destroyer when all they were trying to do was destroy the probe itself if it was caught.

The only other instances of nuclear weaponary that I found was about Tuchanka(which happened prior to the Rachni wars), or Tyvor(who commited suicide by detonating their weapons rather than being captured)


Fission bombs were used in the war on Palaven. Likely because fusion bombs would just be overkill from inside and the Reapers were still on Palaven itself. I'm sure if it was an engagement in space and collateral damage wasn't an issue they'd use fusion bombs. Also, Udina mentions that one of the Reapers' first targets on Earth were the nuclear missile silos. This shows that a) a council species is still nuclear armed and B) the Reapers considered those weapons to be a threat. It's been a looooong time since I've played ME1 (Mmm, maybe that's what I'll do while I wait for them to fix multiplayer...) I'm pretty sure there were mentions of them on Noveria.

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

You know that actually amkes alot of sense. If Sanctuary was actaully a threat they wanted gone quickly the Reaper would simply have "taken a few shots from Space."


YES. Gawd, finally. Someone gets that. The Reapers never considered Sanctuary a serious threat, they were just doing what they always do: reap. Reapers gonna reap.

Some people dident know of the Nagasaki bomb...seriusly?


I was having a conversation with someone about WWII a few years back. I forget what I said that triggered it but my 16 year old niece overheard part of it, gasped, and asked in a hushed tone, "Hitler was real?!" I just stared at her speechless.

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Just another indoctrination thought I had a while back and I thought I'd put it out there.

The Krogan.

They have had it tough, but there is a hint of them playing a pivotal roll in the future. Wiks brings it up and I think he's right. On one of my playthroughs with him instead of Mordin, he got me thinking about the Krogan, and their past... and possible future.

Fallen Heroes due to inability to check numbers and violent nature.

Used by Saren as slaves... much like the Geth... ah but organic. Hmmm.

If we are lucky enough to have Wrex and Bakara, things can go well for the future of the Krogan, but even without them, it would be wise to find a way to get them on the front lines or as full on allies. Here's why...

The Reapers went out of their way to take out Tuchanka through Cerberus. In fact, there seemed to be more effort to keep the Krogan out of this fight than any other race. And the answer is simple really.

There is not a single case of a Krogan ever being indoctrinated. Not one, ever. Enslaved, used, manipulated, voluntary Mercs...

We (possibly) cured them, and with a little gene therapy, they just may be the cure for the galaxy.

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@Rifneno

Fair enough, guess I was wrong. I really like the Mass Effect universe but I just don't retain information that well. So I had forgotten most of that

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Turbo_J wrote...

Just another indoctrination thought I had a while back and I thought I'd put it out there.

The Krogan.

They have had it tough, but there is a hint of them playing a pivotal roll in the future. Wiks brings it up and I think he's right. On one of my playthroughs with him instead of Mordin, he got me thinking about the Krogan, and their past... and possible future.

Fallen Heroes due to inability to check numbers and violent nature.

Used by Saren as slaves... much like the Geth... ah but organic. Hmmm.

If we are lucky enough to have Wrex and Bakara, things can go well for the future of the Krogan, but even without them, it would be wise to find a way to get them on the front lines or as full on allies. Here's why...

The Reapers went out of their way to take out Tuchanka through Cerberus. In fact, there seemed to be more effort to keep the Krogan out of this fight than any other race. And the answer is simple really.

There is not a single case of a Krogan ever being indoctrinated. Not one, ever. Enslaved, used, manipulated, voluntary Mercs...

We (possibly) cured them, and with a little gene therapy, they just may be the cure for the galaxy.


I may be wrong but aren't Krogan used in reaper forces. Edit: Just checked, The Brute is a combination of Turian and Krogan.

It's the quarians that seem to have been given a pass, no evidence of indoctrination and no evidence of their numbers being converted into ground levels.  I believe Harbringer states something like they are too weak due to immune system or something like that for effective use.

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I just replayed the final mission of the game and I'm more sure of IT then ever. I mean, the whole final convo with the God Child feels like some college student into sound design was asked to make that bit as abstract and surreal as possible. Because I final have headphones, I can here the FemShep and MaleShep echo's behind god childs voice as well as the fact that Sheps voice also echo's. I can understod deusexKid, but why the hell does Sheps voice echo? It's not like his in an Greek theater.

Also, probably stated before, but why does every second body in the corridor look like it's wearing Phoenix armour? I really don't think that many civilians would be wearing it and Aliance soliders seemed to have moved on from it.

One final thing. Was the Mass Effect 3 Datapad Final Message after Endgame ever explained as a glitch or something? Just curious

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Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

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Macross wrote...

I just replayed the final mission of the game and I'm more sure of IT then ever. I mean, the whole final convo with the God Child feels like some college student into sound design was asked to make that bit as abstract and surreal as possible. Because I final have headphones, I can here the FemShep and MaleShep echo's behind god childs voice as well as the fact that Sheps voice also echo's. I can understod deusexKid, but why the hell does Sheps voice echo? It's not like his in an Greek theater.

Also, probably stated before, but why does every second body in the corridor look like it's wearing Phoenix armour? I really don't think that many civilians would be wearing it and Aliance soliders seemed to have moved on from it.

One final thing. Was the Mass Effect 3 Datapad Final Message after Endgame ever explained as a glitch or something? Just curious


Well the note pad at the end said download more dlc for the continuation of Shepard/legend so who knows.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 


I believe that Cabose should be the Catalest insted of the God Child because/. A makes me laugh. B is some what confusing to understand which would fit the bill at the end.

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paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.

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Macross wrote...
 

One final thing. Was the Mass Effect 3 Datapad Final Message after Endgame ever explained as a glitch or something? Just curious


To my knowledge, Bioware has not said a thing about it. I tend to regard it as one of the stronger pieces of evidence for IT, because true to the concept of IT, it reaches through the 4th wall and communicates directly to the player in real life. 

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.


That may have been part of the reason they dropped it in favor of the Synthetics vs Organics false motivation. But I still think it's just as likely that it was a red herring, including the leak. 

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

They've scrapped it. BioWare have a history of moving plot arcs between games. The same was with the Cerberus coup. It was meant to happen in Mass Effect 2 but was cut out and moved to ME3. So maybe they plan for ME4 afterall.

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HellishFiend wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.


That may have been part of the reason they dropped it in favor of the Synthetics vs Organics false motivation. But I still think it's just as likely that it was a red herring, including the leak. 


I most def think the leak was a red herring, most key points were altered and seemed slightly on the goofier side.

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

They have scrapped it. BioWare have a history of moving plot arcs between games. The same was with the Cerberus coup. It was meant to happen in Mass Effect 2 but was cut out and moved to ME3. So maybe they plan for ME4 afterall.


Paxxton..... no.

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.


Isn't Dark Energy also to blame for the collapsing sun in Mass Effect 2? I can't remember the planets name but it is when you recruit Tali

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bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.


Isn't Dark Energy also to blame for the collapsing sun in Mass Effect 2? I can't remember the planets name but it is when you recruit Tali


The sun was called Heastrom I believe.

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balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

They have scrapped it. BioWare have a history of moving plot arcs between games. The same was with the Cerberus coup. It was meant to happen in Mass Effect 2 but was cut out and moved to ME3. So maybe they plan for ME4 afterall.


Paxxton..... no.

Why not? I want to play ME4. Posted Image

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balance5050 wrote...

The sun was called Heastrom I believe.

It was the planet's name - Haestrom.

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bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.


Isn't Dark Energy also to blame for the collapsing sun in Mass Effect 2? I can't remember the planets name but it is when you recruit Tali


I think the reason behind Dholen's (not Haestrom pls) star's fast evolution was never explained explicitly.

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bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.


Isn't Dark Energy also to blame for the collapsing sun in Mass Effect 2? I can't remember the planets name but it is when you recruit Tali


You know how people say the best lies have an element of truth to make them more plausible? The same thing applies to red herrings in storylines. They would be largely ineffective if there were nothing in the story to back up their plausibility. 

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

They have scrapped it. BioWare have a history of moving plot arcs between games. The same was with the Cerberus coup. It was meant to happen in Mass Effect 2 but was cut out and moved to ME3. So maybe they plan for ME4 afterall.


Paxxton..... no.

Why not? I want to play ME4. Posted Image


Me too but they won't be bring up the dark energy plot again, they had their chance to use that against us and went with the synthetic threat instead. I would have preferred dark energy though because really that threat is just as far off as synthetics glassing every planet.

If they do roll with I.T.,  no one will fall for it ever again, atleast in mass effect.

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Well the note pad at the end said download more dlc for the continuation of Shepard/legend so who knows.


Wasn't talking about that. I meant the post game email received on the ME3datapad app. The one where a LI or other character asks if Shepard is okay and that they'll see them soon.

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If they do roll with I.T.,  no one will fall for it ever again, atleast in mass effect.


Like I said a while back, something can only be unprecedented once, and never again. This is the only time something like this is going to work for gaming, and that's why IT has captivated my attention so much. It's basically a one-time experience.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

bigstig wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Harbinger wants you to think dark energy build up is inconsequential... So does Bioware. It gives them something to write about in ME4


I sincerely hope it is inconsequential. It's got a colossal flaw. The Milky Way is one galaxy of hundreds of billions in the observable universe. If dark energy was going to rip reality apart, it's going to do it regardless. Fixing the problem in the Milky Way and expecting the universe to keep going is like sticking a wine cork in an iceberg shaped hole and expecting the Titanic to be fine.


That is one of the main reasons why I theorize that Dark Energy was always either a red herring or originally going to be the Reapers's false motivation instead of the "Synthetics destroying all Organics" thing. 

May I ask where did you come up with all that dark energy stuff? There's hardly any mention of it in Mass Effect if I'm not wrong.


It was the original lead writers plan to have the reaperx motivation be to stop dark energy. I think more people would have fallen for it and less people would have complained.

There are a couple small references to dark energy, in ME2, also, it's what element zero manipulates to create mass effect fields.


Isn't Dark Energy also to blame for the collapsing sun in Mass Effect 2? I can't remember the planets name but it is when you recruit Tali


I think the reason behind Dholen's (not Haestrom pls) star's fast evolution was never explained explicitly.

Dunno, but I think I read somewhere that the cause was dark energy (maybe during The Migrant Fleet mission when someone explained it). Or maybe I just overheard it on BSN (speculation).

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