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[boeloe]

balance5050 wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, any galaxy shattering discoveries recently, or have we run out of things to find?

Was there ever any consensus reached on when Shepard starts to hallucinate completely? Because I might have a theory on that, or more precisely why the 1st half of Priority: Earth can't be hallucinated.

I think that the hallucination starts right whenthe Mako crashes,  right when this scene cuts to black.

Yeah that does sounds like the prime candidate for when the hallucination takes over completely (or maybe when you get knocked out by Harby's laser beam). But I've also heard theory's that the entire Priority: Earth mission is hallucinated which I think just can't be true.

This is what I came up with:

Remember the first teaser trailer we got for ME3? It featured this sniper who was pinned down in Big Ben. ( here ) We later learned that soldier was Major Coats. I'm going to assume that this trailer is 'real' i.e. 'indoctrination free'. BTW Coats can also be seen in the full Take Earth Back trailer.

Assumption 1: The trailer which features Major Coats trapped in the Big Ben is real.

The consequence of this assumption is that Major Coats is a real character, just like Anderson, Liara, Garrus, etc. and is not dreamed up by Shepard.

So the first time we see Major Coats in-game is in the extraction shuttle in Priority: Earth just after you've taken down the Hades cannon. Anderson is also in that shuttle and the way these three people talk to each other leads us to believe that Shepard did not know who Coats was.

Assumption 2: Shepard has no idea who Major Coats is until he meets him in Priority: Earth

So when we combine assumption 1 and 2 we must conclude that the scene where Shepard and Coats can't be entirely hallucinated, because how could Shepard dream up a character who is real but who he has never heard about before. Well he can't.

I think this means that the statement that the entire Priority: Earth mission is hallucinated or even ME3 in it's entire (which I think is just silly) is wrong.

[Unschuld]

balance5050 wrote...
I think that the hallucination starts right whenthe Mako crashes,  right when this scene cuts to black.

The thing that really gets me about this scene is... what the hell stopped the truck? The sound it mades when it lurches and throws Shep forward feels like the driver just drove into a ditch, yet when they get out the thing is on fire? There's no enemies around the area to shoot it until after Harbinger lands.

[BleedingUranium]

On a related note, anyone find it odd that Coats has an Valiant Incisor in Big Ben, and on the back cover of the game Shep is holding a Valiant, a variant of the same rifle, in front of Big Ben?

One, because that back cover scene doesn't even come close to anything in the game, and two, because the Valiant is an odd choice, as it's CE exclusive.

Shep has an unused Valiant on their back in the Take Earth Back trailer, it's the only other gun they have. The events in the Take Earth Back trailer also never come close to happening in game.

Also, Hammerheads

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 juin 2012 - 12:14 .

[Kem1995]

If the hallucination does start when the Mako crashes, that raises more questions as to how Shepard ended up on the ground covered by broken rubble (The end of the Destroy ending), along with some worn out armour due to Harbingers beam. What exactly happened to Shepard and where exactly is s/he?

[Turbo_J]

boeloe wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, any galaxy shattering discoveries recently, or have we run out of things to find?

Was there ever any consensus reached on when Shepard starts to hallucinate completely? Because I might have a theory on that, or more precisely why the 1st half of Priority: Earth can't be hallucinated.

I think that the hallucination starts right whenthe Mako crashes,  right when this scene cuts to black.

Yeah that does sounds like the prime candidate for when the hallucination takes over completely (or maybe when you get knocked out by Harby's laser beam). But I've also heard theory's that the entire Priority: Earth mission is hallucinated which I think just can't be true.

This is what I came up with:

Remember the first teaser trailer we got for ME3? It featured this sniper who was pinned down in Big Ben. ( here ) We later learned that soldier was Major Coats. I'm going to assume that this trailer is 'real' i.e. 'indoctrination free'. BTW Coats can also be seen in the full Take Earth Back trailer.

Assumption 1: The trailer which features Major Coats trapped in the Big Ben is real.

The consequence of this assumption is that Major Coats is a real character, just like Anderson, Liara, Garrus, etc. and is not dreamed up by Shepard.

So the first time we see Major Coats in-game is in the extraction shuttle in Priority: Earth just after you've taken down the Hades cannon. Anderson is also in that shuttle and the way these three people talk to each other leads us to believe that Shepard did not know who Coats was.

Assumption 2: Shepard has no idea who Major Coats is until he meets him in Priority: Earth

So when we combine assumption 1 and 2 we must conclude that the scene where Shepard and Coats can't be entirely hallucinated, because how could Shepard dream up a character who is real but who he has never heard about before. Well he can't.

I think this means that the statement that the entire Priority: Earth mission is hallucinated or even ME3 in it's entire (which I think is just silly) is wrong.

The tank/truck crash is more feasible than any other local, though I still do call in to question the shuttle crash and a single shot from a heavy weapon taking out reaper hades cannon. Why could there be a single ground to air canon anywhere on Earth if they knew they could be taken out conventionally like that.

As for the entirety of ME3 being an illusion or IT, way too out there; perhaps wishful thinking for some. However, the explosion that tossed Shep across the room actually did some good or bad depending on how you look at it. It gave us the ability to question the reality of the kid and the roof top park... however, it could also be the point where the PROCESS of indoctrination really starts to manifest.

I wonder if the fish floating around in my cabin is really a glitch or if it was supposed to be an indoctrination clue?

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Why does everyone fight Geth on Gold??? They're the toughest and almost all their units are almost heavy units. I find Cerberus to be the easiest, if you have Liara's kit and an Infiltrator you're good for Phantoms and objectives.

My brother saved up and got 11 PSPs as soon as he downloaded the DLC, got the Reegar Carbine IX (and other stuff) before ever using it, and it kills non heavy units almost intantly, not sure why you think it isn't good.

You must never have seen a FBWGG farm team.  It's not a match, it's a slaughter.  You hide behind the counters on the bottom level, use a decoy (which geth are notoriously retarded around) and spam AE destruction.  Geth don't have grenades so even when you do have their attention off the decoy, you can just use a grab on anything except a prime.

I never said it isn't good.  I said it isn't as gameshatteringly, eye-rollingly, asininely broken as some people coughstarduskcough claim it is with videos where they ninja use consumables on it with a kroguard.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

@Bleeding I don't deny that things do seem much weirder after the beam. However, the run down the hill is strange enough that I think it could not have been completely real.

Plus, if we say the hallucination started before the charge down the hill, that protects Anderson from employing the same tactics as Sarge.

Made me lol when I went to get the link for that vid and saw the most recent comment is ME3 related.

I wonder if thats from the first time I linked it in this thread, or if I'm not the only person to see the similarities.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Why does everyone fight Geth on Gold??? They're the toughest and almost all their units are almost heavy units. I find Cerberus to be the easiest, if you have Liara's kit and an Infiltrator you're good for Phantoms and objectives.

My brother saved up and got 11 PSPs as soon as he downloaded the DLC, got the Reegar Carbine IX (and other stuff) before ever using it, and it kills non heavy units almost intantly, not sure why you think it isn't good.

You must never have seen a FBWGG farm team.  It's not a match, it's a slaughter.  You hide behind the counters on the bottom level, use a decoy (which geth are notoriously retarded around) and spam AE destruction.  Geth don't have grenades so even when you do have their attention off the decoy, you can just use a grab on anything except a prime.

I never said it isn't good.  I said it isn't as gameshatteringly, eye-rollingly, asininely broken as some people coughstarduskcough claim it is with videos where they ninja use consumables on it with a kroguard.

Hmm, I guess the lack of grenades is probably one of the biggest points for using Geth, didn't really think of that.

My favourite kit for the Reegar Carbine is Quarian Male Engy, Carbine, Arc Pistol (with Stunner), Arc Grenades (upgraded for radius), and just leave out Incinerate. With Disruptor Rounds III

[Turbo_J]

Kem1995 wrote...

If the hallucination does start when the Mako crashes, that raises more questions as to how Shepard ended up on the ground covered by broken rubble (The end of the Destroy ending), along with some worn out armour due to Harbingers beam. What exactly happened to Shepard and where exactly is s/he?

Look at the tank crash cut scene - record it if you can. The exit door we see is obscured by fire... the truck was on fire on the outside and possibly on the inside to some degree. Shep could have been blown out the door, or is still trapped inside and/or under it in the hole it fell into... although the fires may have been put out inside the truck (perhaps a suppression system) they would have messed up everyone pretty bad; close quarters and all, if not killed most of them.

Pick your team wisely, Shepard.

I  still think the Shuttle crash (in other words both shuttles went down when one was hit by the hades) is possible as well. There some wierd stuff that happes from the Time Shep and team are picked up, right to the end...

And it is possible for someone shep has never seen before to be condured by the mind with a little Reaper help. The kid is a prime example of this. If that park was fake, that damn kid NEVER existed period.

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Why does everyone fight Geth on Gold??? They're the toughest and almost all their units are almost heavy units. I find Cerberus to be the easiest, if you have Liara's kit and an Infiltrator you're good for Phantoms and objectives.

My brother saved up and got 11 PSPs as soon as he downloaded the DLC, got the Reegar Carbine IX (and other stuff) before ever using it, and it kills non heavy units almost intantly, not sure why you think it isn't good.

You must never have seen a FBWGG farm team.  It's not a match, it's a slaughter.  You hide behind the counters on the bottom level, use a decoy (which geth are notoriously retarded around) and spam AE destruction.  Geth don't have grenades so even when you do have their attention off the decoy, you can just use a grab on anything except a prime.

I never said it isn't good.  I said it isn't as gameshatteringly, eye-rollingly, asininely broken as some people coughstarduskcough claim it is with videos where they ninja use consumables on it with a kroguard.

Hmm, I guess the lack of grenades is probably one of the biggest points for using Geth, didn't really think of that.

My favourite kit for the Reegar Carbine is Quarian Male Engy, Carbine, Arc Pistol (with Stunner), Arc Grenades (upgraded for radius), and just leave out Incinerate. With Disruptor Rounds III

Another good thing about geth is that they dont have any instant kill units. Reaper throws banshees at you, and Ceberus throws so many phantoms its ridiculous.

Plus if you have a quarian infiltrator in the match you can turn the geth against each other, and thats always fun.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

@Bleeding I don't deny that things do seem much weirder after the beam. However, the run down the hill is strange enough that I think it could not have been completely real.

Plus, if we say the hallucination started before the charge down the hill, that protects Anderson from employing the same tactics as Sarge.

Made me lol when I went to get the link for that vid and saw the most recent comment is ME3 related.

I wonder if thats from the first time I linked it in this thread, or if I'm not the only person to see the similarities.

There's an RvB quote for every situation

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Why does everyone fight Geth on Gold??? They're the toughest and almost all their units are almost heavy units. I find Cerberus to be the easiest, if you have Liara's kit and an Infiltrator you're good for Phantoms and objectives.

My brother saved up and got 11 PSPs as soon as he downloaded the DLC, got the Reegar Carbine IX (and other stuff) before ever using it, and it kills non heavy units almost intantly, not sure why you think it isn't good.

You must never have seen a FBWGG farm team. It's not a match, it's a slaughter. You hide behind the counters on the bottom level, use a decoy (which geth are notoriously retarded around) and spam AE destruction. Geth don't have grenades so even when you do have their attention off the decoy, you can just use a grab on anything except a prime.

I never said it isn't good. I said it isn't as gameshatteringly, eye-rollingly, asininely broken as some people coughstarduskcough claim it is with videos where they ninja use consumables on it with a kroguard.

Hmm, I guess the lack of grenades is probably one of the biggest points for using Geth, didn't really think of that.

My favourite kit for the Reegar Carbine is Quarian Male Engy, Carbine, Arc Pistol (with Stunner), Arc Grenades (upgraded for radius), and just leave out Incinerate. With Disruptor Rounds III

Another good thing about geth is that they dont have any instant kill units. Reaper throws banshees at you, and Ceberus throws so many phantoms its ridiculous.

Plus if you have a quarian infiltrator in the match you can turn the geth against each other, and thats always fun.

True, though Liara's kit = no Phantoms

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 juin 2012 - 12:29 .

[BleedingUranium]

*moved to above*

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 juin 2012 - 12:29 .

[Kem1995]

Turbo_J wrote...

Kem1995 wrote...

If the hallucination does start when the Mako crashes, that raises more questions as to how Shepard ended up on the ground covered by broken rubble (The end of the Destroy ending), along with some worn out armour due to Harbingers beam. What exactly happened to Shepard and where exactly is s/he?

Look at the tank crash cut scene - record it if you can. The exit door we see is obscured by fire... the truck was on fire on the outside and possibly on the inside to some degree. Shep could have been blown out the door, or is still trapped inside and/or under it in the hole it fell into... although the fires may have been put out inside the truck (perhaps a suppression system) they would have messed up everyone pretty bad; close quarters and all, if not killed most of them.

Pick your team wisely, Shepard.

I  still think the Shuttle crash (in other words both shuttles went down when one was hit by the hades) is possible as well. There some wierd stuff that happes from the Time Shep and team are picked up, right to the end...

And it is possible for someone shep has never seen before to be condured by the mind with a little Reaper help. The kid is a prime example of this. If that park was fake, that damn kid NEVER existed period.

The fire explains the ending scene on how his armour is burnt and worn out. But it still doesn't explain where Shepard actually 'is'. At least if the indoctrination begins when Shepard is hit by the laser, we have a good idea that they are on the ground due to the breathing scene.

If however the indoctrination/hallucination begins after the Mako crash, we have no real proof that Shepard is on the floor as seen in the breathing scene. Shepard could still be in the Mako, or being carried by one of his teammates somewhere. That was my original flaw with this idea. Nonetheless though, does add more idea to the theory.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

On a related note, anyone find it odd that Coats has an Valiant Incisor in Big Ben, and on the back cover of the game Shep is holding a Valiant, a variant of the same rifle, in front of Big Ben?

One, because that back cover scene doesn't even come close to anything in the game, and two, because the Valiant is an odd choice, as it's CE exclusive.

Shep has an unused Valiant on their back in the Take Earth Back trailer, it's the only other gun they have. The events in the Take Earth Back trailer also never come close to happening in game.

Also, Hammerheads

They wanted to add the Hammerhead in ME3 but hadn't time for it, maybe it comes in a DLC again.

[Rifneno]

[quote]BleedingUranium wrote...

You must never have seen a FBWGG farm team.  It's not a match, it's a slaughter.  You hide behind the counters on the bottom level, use a decoy (which geth are notoriously retarded around) and spam AE destruction.  Geth don't have grenades so even when you do have their attention off the decoy, you can just use a grab on anything except a prime.

I never said it isn't good.  I said it isn't as gameshatteringly, eye-rollingly, asininely broken as some people coughstarduskcough claim it is with videos where they ninja use consumables on it with a kroguard.[/quote]

Hmm, I guess the lack of grenades is probably one of the biggest points for using Geth, didn't really think of that.

My favourite kit for the Reegar Carbine is Quarian Male Engy, Carbine, Arc Pistol (with Stunner), Arc Grenades (upgraded for radius), and just leave out Incinerate. With Disruptor Rounds III [/quote]

You lost me at "arc pistol".  Anyways, one of the bigger points of Kal'Reegars is that ae incenerate + arc grenades = chain tech explosions.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Hmm, I guess the lack of grenades is probably one of the biggest points for using Geth, didn't really think of that.

My favourite kit for the Reegar Carbine is Quarian Male Engy, Carbine, Arc Pistol (with Stunner), Arc Grenades (upgraded for radius), and just leave out Incinerate. With Disruptor Rounds III

You lost me at "arc pistol".  Anyways, one of the bigger points of Kal'Reegars is that ae incenerate + arc grenades = chain tech explosions.

Also they don't have an insta kill.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 03 juin 2012 - 12:46 .

[boeloe]

Turbo_J wrote...

And it is possible for someone shep has never seen before to be condured by the mind with a little Reaper help. The kid is a prime example of this. If that park was fake, that damn kid NEVER existed period.

It's easy to make up someone who doesn't actually exist, but to conjure up someone who does actually exist but who you have seen before or even know that he exist, seems kind of a stretch.

Modifié par boeloe, 03 juin 2012 - 12:56 .

[Mr. Sandman2190]

First-time poster for this thread, and I have to admit when I first played through the ending, there was something....OFF. Especially when TIM comes by and manages to have Shepard shoot Anderson (and when Shepard is bleeding at the spot he shot Anderson at) was kind of surreal. That and I was kind of confused when I saw Shepard suddenly run to the beam in synthesis.

Though by that point, I wasn't exactly thinking clearly since I thought that Ashley and Garrus were killed by Harbinger when I ran to the beam, and kind of realized a few days later that choosing Synthesis was a bad idea. Like 'embracing indoctrination' bad.

Looking back at it now, I feel foolish for choosing synthesis.

[BleedingUranium]

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

First-time poster for this thread, and I have to admit when I first played through the ending, there was something....OFF. Especially when TIM comes by and manages to have Shepard shoot Anderson (and when Shepard is bleeding at the spot he shot Anderson at) was kind of surreal. That and I was kind of confused when I saw Shepard suddenly run to the beam in synthesis.

Though by that point, I wasn't exactly thinking clearly since I thought that Ashley and Garrus were killed by Harbinger when I ran to the beam, and kind of realized a few days later that choosing Synthesis was a bad idea. Like 'embracing indoctrination' bad.

Looking back at it now, I feel foolish for choosing synthesis.

Welcome

Don't worry, lots of people here picked Synthesis or Control on their first playthrough

[byne]

Gah, ending an episode of a TV show on a cliffhanger should be against the law!

Now I gotta wait another week...

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Gah, ending an episode of a TV show on a cliffhanger should be against the law!

Now I gotta wait another week...

My only complaint about RvB  Aside from the music in season 9 & 10

[Mr. Sandman2190]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

First-time poster for this thread, and I have to admit when I first played through the ending, there was something....OFF. Especially when TIM comes by and manages to have Shepard shoot Anderson (and when Shepard is bleeding at the spot he shot Anderson at) was kind of surreal. That and I was kind of confused when I saw Shepard suddenly run to the beam in synthesis.

Though by that point, I wasn't exactly thinking clearly since I thought that Ashley and Garrus were killed by Harbinger when I ran to the beam, and kind of realized a few days later that choosing Synthesis was a bad idea. Like 'embracing indoctrination' bad.

Looking back at it now, I feel foolish for choosing synthesis.

Welcome

Don't worry, lots of people here picked Synthesis or Control on their first playthrough

Funny thing was, I KNEW control was a bad idea, and yet out of fear of killing EDI and the geth, I chose synthesis.
Damn, Javik was some kind of right when he said Despair is the Reaper's greatest weapon.

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Gah, ending an episode of a TV show on a cliffhanger should be against the law!

Now I gotta wait another week...

My only complaint about RvB  Aside from the music in season 9 & 10

Hah, I wasnt even talking about RvB.

As for the music from Season 9? Spiral, On Your Knees, Falling Towards the Sky, and Can't Trust Anybody Now are all awesome! 

And dont forget Bow Chicka Bow Wow and Donut: The Musical from the soundtrack!

Hell, even the Pelican's 30 second little song is awesome!

How dare you imply season 9 has substandard music, my good sir. How dare  you!

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Gah, ending an episode of a TV show on a cliffhanger should be against the law!

Now I gotta wait another week...

My only complaint about RvB  Aside from the music in season 9 & 10

Hah, I wasnt even talking about RvB.

As for the music from Season 9? Spiral, On Your Knees, Falling Towards the Sky, and Can't Trust Anybody Now are all awesome! 

And dont forget Bow Chicka Bow Wow and Donut: The Musical from the soundtrack!

Hell, even the Pelican's 30 second little song is awesome!

How dare you imply season 9 has substandard music, my good sir. How dare  you!

WHOOPS sorry  I was thinking mostly of the S10 trailer and first episode songs, I hate rap. (And by rap, I mean more like hiphop, dance music stuff, I don't mind that style of singing) I do like Falling From The Sky though, and the Pelican's theme is one of my favourite RvB tunes

Also, props for the fast rebuttal there

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 juin 2012 - 01:49 .

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Gah, ending an episode of a TV show on a cliffhanger should be against the law!

Now I gotta wait another week...

My only complaint about RvB  Aside from the music in season 9 & 10

Hah, I wasnt even talking about RvB.

As for the music from Season 9? Spiral, On Your Knees, Falling Towards the Sky, and Can't Trust Anybody Now are all awesome! 

And dont forget Bow Chicka Bow Wow and Donut: The Musical from the soundtrack!

Hell, even the Pelican's 30 second little song is awesome!

How dare you imply season 9 has substandard music, my good sir. How dare  you!

WHOOPS sorry  I was thinking mostly of the S10 trailer and first episode songs, I hate rap. (And by rap, I mean more like hiphop, dance music stuff, I don't mind that style of singing) I do like Falling From The Sky though, and the Pelican's theme is one of my favourite RvB tunes

But dont forget, Los Dos Laredos/Acordeones is still the best RvB song ever. Of all time.