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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Dwailing wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not sure if you missed this or not, but the Stargazer scene's background isnt just based on a classic image, it's taken directly from the artwork of this album which is based on that classic image. I believe there is a clue hidden in the lyrics of that album somewhere, though I'm not sure if we've discovered what it is or not. 

Perhaps the clue is here.
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Yeah actually this is another song that has an unnerving amount of parallels to the catalyst scene.


BW really did their homework, didn't they?


I'm inclined to believe so, between this and "london calling".

Any other interesting songs in ME3 release trailers or anything like that?

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Is that where our Starchild nickname for the kid came from?

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^ I think in the credits he is listed as the Starchild, I could be wrong though.

Boradam wrote...

I've got a question about Vendetta when you meet him on Cronos Station; he stated his Security Protocols have been bypassed so if Shepard has been indoctrinated by that point would Vendetta's security measures to stop it from answering questions to indoctrinated have been overridden? I mean, if The Illusive Man was able to uncover what the Catalyst really is while he's indoctrinated, would it be any different for Shepard?


Dragging this post back up, I'm genuinely curious, but sorry if this was asked before/has an obvious answer.

Modifié par Boradam, 03 juin 2012 - 03:20 .


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Boradam wrote...

^ I think in the credits he is listed as the Starchild, I could be wrong though.

Boradam wrote...

I've got a question about Vendetta when you meet him on Cronos Station; he stated his Security Protocols have been bypassed so if Shepard has been indoctrinated by that point would Vendetta's security measures to stop it from answering questions to indoctrinated have been overridden? I mean, if The Illusive Man was able to uncover what the Catalyst really is while he's indoctrinated, would it be any different for Shepard?


Dragging this post back up, I'm genuinely curious, but sorry if this was asked before/has an obvious answer.



Vendetta's original programming requires you to bring it to the completed Crucible itself before it reveals what the Catalyst is. Since it was hacked though, it revealed it anyway. 

I think the bigger question is, since Vendetta was able to point out that KL was indoctrinated, why didnt that cause Cerberus to snap and realize they were being manipulated?  And being that it was hacked, can we really trust what it says at that point?

Modifié par HellishFiend, 03 juin 2012 - 03:25 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Boradam wrote...

^ I think in the credits he is listed as the Starchild, I could be wrong though.

Boradam wrote...

I've got a question about Vendetta when you meet him on Cronos Station; he stated his Security Protocols have been bypassed so if Shepard has been indoctrinated by that point would Vendetta's security measures to stop it from answering questions to indoctrinated have been overridden? I mean, if The Illusive Man was able to uncover what the Catalyst really is while he's indoctrinated, would it be any different for Shepard?


Dragging this post back up, I'm genuinely curious, but sorry if this was asked before/has an obvious answer.



Vendetta's original programming requires you to bring it to the completed Crucible itself before it reveals what the Catalyst is. Since it was hacked though, it revealed it anyway. 

I think the bigger question is, since Vendetta was able to point out that KL was indoctrinated, why didnt that cause Cerberus to snap and realize they were being manipulated?  And being that it was hacked, can we really trust what it says at that point?


Because we've known since Mars that Cerberus troops and agents are indoctrinated, and from the novels too, it's just TIM that thinks he isn't

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balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not sure if you missed this or not, but the Stargazer scene's background isnt just based on a classic image, it's taken directly from the artwork of this album which is based on that classic image. I believe there is a clue hidden in the lyrics of that album somewhere, though I'm not sure if we've discovered what it is or not. 

Perhaps the clue is here.
Posted Image


Yeah actually this is another song that has an unnerving amount of parallels to the catalyst scene.

Not the scene, the words.

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In addition, watch the first 30 90 seconds of this trailer.

Now, tell me you don't have the feeling that something is very, very wrong...

Modifié par TSA_383, 03 juin 2012 - 03:41 .


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You know, I hope that when the EC is released and if Bioware had truly planned out IT, then they bring out a blog post or something where they list every piece of in universe and real life evidence they put that hinted at Indoc. It would be cool to see what we got right and what we pulled out of arse.

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I'm going to be off for the night. See you all tomorrow.

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DJBare wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not sure if you missed this or not, but the Stargazer scene's background isnt just based on a classic image, it's taken directly from the artwork of this album which is based on that classic image. I believe there is a clue hidden in the lyrics of that album somewhere, though I'm not sure if we've discovered what it is or not. 

Perhaps the clue is here.
Posted Image


Yeah actually this is another song that has an unnerving amount of parallels to the catalyst scene.

Not the scene, the words.


Right.... the words of the song has parallels to the end/catalyst scene.



 Million shapes and colours

are storming inside your mind


Destroy the walls of time

Hands of the blind are holding your fate 


Starchild!

Visions are born from the unknown force

It dominates the way of time

The dream only ends, when the worlds come to an end

Starchild!
You cannot escape to the dark streams of the sea,

to suppress your dreams

Nothing can keep you away from the need to create

'cause your path is free...


The curtains of mist are fading

and the veils of star clouds are revealed

Storms of new energy

flows in the depths of my mind 


... But there is no end to creation 

 

Modifié par balance5050, 03 juin 2012 - 03:41 .


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I know this is quite off topic, but I just had to share it. I was reading some Batman, and in the issue, the Joker is making a film about the "Death of Batman". I couldn't stop laughing when one of the producer guys told him to lose the dwarf playing Batman. Joker's exact line is:
"Egads! I will not despoil my vision! Already my artistic integrity is assailed."

This just makes me think Bioware is really Batman's Rogues Gallery.

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HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not sure if you missed this or not, but the Stargazer scene's background isnt just based on a classic image, it's taken directly from the artwork of this album which is based on that classic image. I believe there is a clue hidden in the lyrics of that album somewhere, though I'm not sure if we've discovered what it is or not. 

Perhaps the clue is here.
Posted Image


Very possible!


It's ... it's all a big puzzle ... Everything o_o

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 OK, I know I said I was off, but something just hit me.  Remember the image of the red herring that BW included in its series of Facebook clues?  Well, it came at the END of the series of clues.  See what I'm hinting at?

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not sure if you missed this or not, but the Stargazer scene's background isnt just based on a classic image, it's taken directly from the artwork of this album which is based on that classic image. I believe there is a clue hidden in the lyrics of that album somewhere, though I'm not sure if we've discovered what it is or not. 

Perhaps the clue is here.
Posted Image


Very possible!


It's ... it's all a big puzzle ... Everything o_o


Here's hoping bioware lets us know which clues we got right eventually ;)

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TSA_383 wrote...




In addition, watch the first 30 90 seconds of this trailer.

Now, tell me you don't have the feeling that something is very, very wrong...


Besides the disturbing imagery of destruction and death, another kid playing with the same alliance fighter toy, and Parliament getting razed by a laser while Coates is chilling in it?

Edit: Big Ben's hands magically changed between that shot.

Modifié par Unschuld, 03 juin 2012 - 03:56 .


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Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I know I said I was off, but something just hit me.  Remember the image of the red herring that BW included in its series of Facebook clues?  Well, it came at the END of the series of clues.  See what I'm hinting at?

Well the clues were:

-Earth
-the MI6 page (??? thoughts?)
-"London Calling" (& lyrics)
-"Red Herring"

could easily be hinting at just one particular event ;)

Unschuld wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...




In addition, watch the first 30 90 seconds of this trailer.

Now, tell me you don't have the feeling that something is very, very wrong...


Besides
the disturbing imagery of destruction and death, another kid playing
with the same alliance fighter toy, and Parliament getting razed by a
laser while Coates is chilling in it?

Hold up.
That's harbinger in the trailers, right?
Could that be a hint about where it gets the image of the child with which to manipulate Shepard? Could explain why the child is always surrounded by foliage...

Modifié par TSA_383, 03 juin 2012 - 03:56 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Not sure if you missed this or not, but the Stargazer scene's background isnt just based on a classic image, it's taken directly from the artwork of this album which is based on that classic image. I believe there is a clue hidden in the lyrics of that album somewhere, though I'm not sure if we've discovered what it is or not. 

Perhaps the clue is here.
Posted Image


Very possible!


It's ... it's all a big puzzle ... Everything o_o


Here's hoping bioware lets us know which clues we got right eventually ;)


I'm looking forward to it, make a whole mural of clues.

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Well, I'm definitely off this time. Think about what I said. Also, about the MI6 page, they're an intelligence agency. Maybe that's a hint? I don't know.

Edit: They deal with secrets, they're in London, they have to use limited evidence to piece together what's going on sometimes.  OK, that last one might be a stretch, but still, it would make sense.

Modifié par Dwailing, 03 juin 2012 - 03:59 .


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TSA_383 wrote...
Hold up.
That's harbinger in the trailers, right?
Could that be a hint about where it gets the image of the child with which to manipulate Shepard? Could explain why the child is always surrounded by foliage...


The reaper reflected in the child's eye? No, that's one of the "Sovereign" reapers. Harby doesn't have a middle "tentacle/leg". Still, I think I see what you're saying.

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Dwailing wrote...

Well, I'm definitely off this time. Think about what I said. Also, about the MI6 page, they're an intelligence agency. Maybe that's a hint? I don't know.

Edit: They deal with secrets, they're in London, they have to use limited evidence to piece together what's going on sometimes.  OK, that last one might be a stretch, but still, it would make sense.

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Anyone else find it kinda strange that the lengthier version of the launch trailer is labeled the "Extended Cut Trailer"? I understand that it is, yes, an extended version of the original cinematic trailer. But that language ...

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dreamgazer wrote...

Anyone else find it kinda strange that the lengthier version of the launch trailer is labeled the "Extended Cut Trailer"? I understand that it is, yes, an extended version of the original cinematic trailer. But that language ...


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Well, all that stuff has yet to happen, with the Normady, Alliance & Turian ships, Shepard on the ground with Makos & Hammerheads...

And they also look like they're on the offensive, not just trying to get to a beam (or similar)

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BleedingUranium wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Anyone else find it kinda strange that the lengthier version of the launch trailer is labeled the "Extended Cut Trailer"? I understand that it is, yes, an extended version of the original cinematic trailer. But that language ...


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Well, all that stuff has yet to happen, with the Normady, Alliance & Turian ships, Shepard on the ground with Makos & Hammerheads...

And they also look like they're on the offensive, not just trying to get to a beam (or similar)


:blink:.....:blink:

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Yeah, besides that trailer teasing me with things I didn't really get to experience yet in game, at least I can take consolation in the fact that Shepard is badass enough to use an M-96 Mattock in it.

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Anything new or are we still on the same old same old.