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[ivenoidea]

TSA_383 wrote...

Has anyone had this achievement? I don't see it anywhere amongst the list of actual achievements....



It's an interesting graphic...

Object: OmniBlade_256? Do all the achievments have this tag?

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Forums are in slow-mo today.

Noooooo iiiittttt'ssss nooooottttttt......

Oh, they are --->  <-- 

[Silent Rogue]

Has it been discussed or theorized why the reapers would want to indoctrinate Shepard in the first place instead of just killing him? The way I see it, Shepard is a symbol. A symbol of hope. Despite all of the reaper's high talk and self-praise, them being "infinitely greater" and being seemingly almost undestructible, they CAN perhaps be taken by conventional means. Though it would take nearly all the combined forces in the galaxy to do so, something which the reapers didn't think possible. This worries them. By destoying the symbol Shepard is, what he stands for, they may have a significant advantage in the war. Imaging the effect it would have on the anti-reaper forces if Shepard would appear to have succumbed and lost hope. As for the crucible, I like to think (influenced by ) it was a trap, created by the reapers themselves.

Modifié par Silent Rogue, 03 juin 2012 - 02:20 .

[Rosewind]

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Forums are in slow-mo today.

Noooooo iiiittttt'ssss nooooottttttt......

Oh, they are --->  <-- 

Paxx stop that ><, you did it again!

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Forums are in slow-mo today.

Noooooo iiiittttt'ssss nooooottttttt......

Oh, they are --->  <-- 

Paxx stop that ><, you did it again!

OK, it was the last time.

[MegumiAzusa]

pirate1802 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Can someone else with a hex editor check I'm not being really stupid - I think this is part of the single player code for submitting your ending choices:

Yes it does.

Submitting where? To Bioware?

Sure, check your options menu, last entry.

Ahh that one, I knew about that, just forgot.. temporary memory loss I thought this was IT-realted (Bioware seeing how many fans did they indoctrinate) :C

Oh I guess they have stats how often which choice was made.

[MegumiAzusa]

ivenoidea wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Has anyone had this achievement? I don't see it anywhere amongst the list of actual achievements....



It's an interesting graphic...

Object: OmniBlade_256? Do all the achievments have this tag?

_256 is the resolution, the other one is what's on it to quickly identify it.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Ravereth wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

To answer your previous statement Byne, I was a little surprised to see how common metalbending and bloodbending (yeesh.) But enough about Avatar:Lok.

I just spoke to Javik about Legion, and what truly left me speechless was when he mentioned the order of the machines versus the chaos of the Organics. I immediately thought of the starchild and his view on the 'chaos of organics.'

It's just me rambling, but er..dang.

Remember though, you're talking to Javik. I mean, I like him, but I wouldn't trust his opinions of other races, or his morals (etc)

Ooh, right.
Honestly at that point, I was even thinking he kind of sounded like a reaper (considering what Starchild is..other than a liar, of course.)
On a completely random note, the disciple is a pretty solis shotgun in my opinion. 

When you think about it, it would make perfect sense for the star child to repeat and twist words Shepard has definitely heard before. If IT is correct, Shepard's entire hallucination is just a scrambling of everything she's encountered until this point.

But Javik is from the DLC... that means some Shepards haven't heard him at all.
However I always had this thought, that Harby was like Shepard in the previous cycle... If Harby is behind the starchild and if he was a prothean once, that can explain the similarities between him and Javik and their views on some matters. 

But as we know, Harby is also considered The oldest reaper  (In that case, he is more than 50000 years old)

Arrival wasn't done by every Shepard but regardless it is canon. Also Harbinger being the oldest reaper is purely speculation from the characters within the game.

[Jadebaby]

anything interesting going on lately? I'm gearing up for E3 tomoz and honestly, Mass Effect isn't on the forefront anymore...

[paxxton]

E3's this week! That thought makes me smile!

Modifié par paxxton, 03 juin 2012 - 03:48 .

[SixG90]

@TSA I think that it's an interesting find, they are definetly keeping the numbers of the indoctrinated. I'm glad that I'm not between them
@all The cases... probably for the next MP dlc? We are collecting enemy's tecnology in MP after all...
Sooooo, anyone up for some MP on PC ? My ID is: sixgsix (I know, pretty stupid...)

[llbountyhunter]

hey, I'd hate to sound like paxxton (sorry paxxton) by self promoting my thread...but I was wondering if you could take a look at what I posted... and maybe post your thoughts.

I put the link in my sig....does it make sense? or is it extremely stupid?

[Rankincountry]

Well, my first post after lurking in here for 430-odd pages but here goes. My opinion on IT it's the front runner of any ending theories at the moment. There's a lot of evidence, but it's mostly circumstantial. But, when you put it all together, it's very difficult to believe that BW isn't up to something, and the literal interpretation of the ending really makes no sense.

@GethPrimeMKII, agree with you on both counts - the events of Arrival happen regardless of whether a specific Shepard did them or not, and there's other examples in ME games of Reaper objects that cause similar effects to Rho. Harbinger being the oldest is also not, to my knowledge, confirmed as fact, though I think the codex has him down as the largest and a unique design.

Which leads me to this: we actually know next to nothing about the Reapers and pretty much everything we do know is what they tell Shepard. We've had conversations with Sovereign, Harbinger, the Rannoch destroyer and the Catalyst, and none of these can be regarded as reliable narrators. We know that they "reproduce" by harvesting and reaperising a sufficient quantity of suitable organics, that they exterminate anyone they can't use, and leave very little trace they were there. And that's about it.

So the organics vs. synthetics theme could be misdirection by the catalyst as part of an indoctrination attempt. It would knock a Shepard who reconciled the Geth and Quarians off-balance, or play on the guilt of one who had to choose between them, weakening his/her resolve.

As to why the Reapers would indoctrinate, rather than simply explode, shoot, stab, burn, liquefy or huskify Shepard, Silent Rogue has it. He's a military hero, looked up to by millions. He could cause havoc as a double agent if turned covertly and destroy morale in the resistance if turned openly. If I was Harbinger, it's what I'd do. Sadly I'm not a 3km-long sentient super-dreadnought with a bowel-loosening voice, a massive beam o'death and a handy catchphrase, I'm just a bloke from Surrey.

All that aside, I remain optimistic that the EC will reveal some kind of twist - if BW went along IT lines, it could stand as a fantastically audacious feat of interactive storytelling and audience participation/manipulation.

[paxxton]

llbountyhunter wrote...

hey, I'd hate to sound like paxxton (sorry paxxton) by self promoting my thread...but I was wondering if you could take a look at what I posted... and maybe post your thoughts.

I put the link in my sig....does it make sense? or is it extremely stupid?

LOL. You can redeem yourself by supporting UNIT here:
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259
If you're still not convinced, let me just tell you that a few prominent ITists have acknowledged a connection between nanides and indoctrination.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 juin 2012 - 03:47 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

hey, I'd hate to sound like paxxton (sorry paxxton) by self promoting my thread...but I was wondering if you could take a look at what I posted... and maybe post your thoughts.

I put the link in my sig....does it make sense? or is it extremely stupid?

LOL. You can redeem yourself by supporting UNIT here:
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259
If you're still not convinced, let me just tell you that a few prominent ITists have acknowledged a connection between nanides and indoctrination.

I said I could understand the basis of your theory, but I still dont agree with it.  <_<

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

hey, I'd hate to sound like paxxton (sorry paxxton) by self promoting my thread...but I was wondering if you could take a look at what I posted... and maybe post your thoughts.

I put the link in my sig....does it make sense? or is it extremely stupid?

LOL. You can redeem yourself by supporting UNIT here:
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259
If you're still not convinced, let me just tell you that a few prominent ITists have acknowledged a connection between nanides and indoctrination.

I said I could understand the basis of your theory, but I still dont agree with it.  <_<

Interpretations of ME3 are not contestents in a poodle contest!

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

hey, I'd hate to sound like paxxton (sorry paxxton) by self promoting my thread...but I was wondering if you could take a look at what I posted... and maybe post your thoughts.

I put the link in my sig....does it make sense? or is it extremely stupid?

LOL. You can redeem yourself by supporting UNIT here:
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259
If you're still not convinced, let me just tell you that a few prominent ITists have acknowledged a connection between nanides and indoctrination.

I said I could understand the basis of your theory, but I still dont agree with it.  <_<

Eh... Hopefully, the other prominent ITist won't withdraw his support.

Modifié par paxxton, 03 juin 2012 - 04:01 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I said I could understand the basis of your theory, but I still dont agree with it.  <_<

Eh... Hopefully, the other prominent ITist won't withdraw his support.

I guess it depends on how you define "support". The main reason I dont think your theory is correct is because of all the evidence that supports the hallucination having started before you meet Anderson and TIM in the Citadel. 

I do acknowledge though that it is strange that they would develop this nanotechnology-induced form of indoctrination in the novel but never have it make an appearance in-game. 

[Jadebaby]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Mr. Sandman2190 wrote...

To answer your previous statement Byne, I was a little surprised to see how common metalbending and bloodbending (yeesh.) But enough about Avatar:Lok.

I just spoke to Javik about Legion, and what truly left me speechless was when he mentioned the order of the machines versus the chaos of the Organics. I immediately thought of the starchild and his view on the 'chaos of organics.'

It's just me rambling, but er..dang.

Remember though, you're talking to Javik. I mean, I like him, but I wouldn't trust his opinions of other races, or his morals (etc)

Ooh, right.
Honestly at that point, I was even thinking he kind of sounded like a reaper (considering what Starchild is..other than a liar, of course.)
On a completely random note, the disciple is a pretty solis shotgun in my opinion. 

When you think about it, it would make perfect sense for the star child to repeat and twist words Shepard has definitely heard before. If IT is correct, Shepard's entire hallucination is just a scrambling of everything she's encountered until this point.

But Javik is from the DLC... that means some Shepards haven't heard him at all.
However I always had this thought, that Harby was like Shepard in the previous cycle... If Harby is behind the starchild and if he was a prothean once, that can explain the similarities between him and Javik and their views on some matters. 

But as we know, Harby is also considered The oldest reaper  (In that case, he is more than 50000 years old)

Arrival wasn't done by every Shepard but regardless it is canon. Also Harbinger being the oldest reaper is purely speculation from the characters within the game.

Harbinger was rumoured to be the oldest because it is thought he is also the Leviathan of Dis....

However, I don't see how this can be the case because the Leviathan of Di's laid dormant on Jartar for a billion years... Doesn't fit in with harbinger being in dark space before ME3.

I reckon it'd be cool if Harbinger was the Reaper created in the Prothean cycle - hence his interest in them and ability to assume direct control - And the reason he's so powerful is because the Protheans were such a dominant race.

[HellishFiend]

I did reply to your topic though paxxton, giving you a free bump.  

Modifié par HellishFiend, 03 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[Rosewind]

llbountyhunter wrote...

hey, I'd hate to sound like paxxton (sorry paxxton) by self promoting my thread...but I was wondering if you could take a look at what I posted... and maybe post your thoughts.

I put the link in my sig....does it make sense? or is it extremely stupid?

Oh god there is only one Paxx, he is like the IT Theory threads neighbours little kid who likes to play pranks on people

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

I did reply to your topic though paxxton, giving you a free bump.  

Thank You!

[Big G13]

Rankincountry wrote...

Well, my first post after lurking in here for 430-odd pages but here goes. My opinion on IT it's the front runner of any ending theories at the moment. There's a lot of evidence, but it's mostly circumstantial. But, when you put it all together, it's very difficult to believe that BW isn't up to something, and the literal interpretation of the ending really makes no sense.

@GethPrimeMKII, agree with you on both counts - the events of Arrival happen regardless of whether a specific Shepard did them or not, and there's other examples in ME games of Reaper objects that cause similar effects to Rho. Harbinger being the oldest is also not, to my knowledge, confirmed as fact, though I think the codex has him down as the largest and a unique design.

Which leads me to this: we actually know next to nothing about the Reapers and pretty much everything we do know is what they tell Shepard. We've had conversations with Sovereign, Harbinger, the Rannoch destroyer and the Catalyst, and none of these can be regarded as reliable narrators. We know that they "reproduce" by harvesting and reaperising a sufficient quantity of suitable organics, that they exterminate anyone they can't use, and leave very little trace they were there. And that's about it.

So the organics vs. synthetics theme could be misdirection by the catalyst as part of an indoctrination attempt. It would knock a Shepard who reconciled the Geth and Quarians off-balance, or play on the guilt of one who had to choose between them, weakening his/her resolve.

As to why the Reapers would indoctrinate, rather than simply explode, shoot, stab, burn, liquefy or huskify Shepard, Silent Rogue has it. He's a military hero, looked up to by millions. He could cause havoc as a double agent if turned covertly and destroy morale in the resistance if turned openly. If I was Harbinger, it's what I'd do. Sadly I'm not a 3km-long sentient super-dreadnought with a bowel-loosening voice, a massive beam o'death and a handy catchphrase, I'm just a bloke from Surrey.

All that aside, I remain optimistic that the EC will reveal some kind of twist - if BW went along IT lines, it could stand as a fantastically audacious feat of interactive storytelling and audience participation/manipulation.

I am not a prominent theorist here but I have been involved with this thread  since early in the first thread and your point about why indoctrinate instead of kill Shepard (via Silent Rogue) reminds me of another theory posed here. That being, that Major Coats is a Reaper agent. In the conversation we have with him in the London FOB Shepard says something like, "I'm just a soldier." To which Coats replies, "You may see yourself that way but to everyone here you are a hero, a symbol of hope." (or words to that effect) If Coats turns out to be a reaper agent then the answer to that question was given to us by the reapers themselves. And they agree with you.  Hope that makes sense. Long, long night at work:blink:

[HellishFiend]

Big G13 wrote...
 I am not a prominent theorist here but I have been involved with this thread  since early in the first thread and your point about why indoctrinate instead of kill Shepard (via Silent Rogue) reminds me of another theory posed here. That being, that Major Coats is a Reaper agent. In the conversation we have with him in the London FOB Shepard says something like, "I'm just a soldier." To which Coats replies, "You may see yourself that way but to everyone here you are a hero, a symbol of hope." (or words to that effect) If Coats turns out to be a reaper agent then the answer to that question was given to us by the reapers themselves. And they agree with you.  Hope that makes sense. Long, long night at work:blink:

I think there are two versions of the Coates theory, arent there? One that states he is one of Shepard's hallucinations (there is in-game evidence to support this somewhat), and one that states he is a Reaper agent. I'm really not sure which, if either, I believe.

If I had to pick one, I might pick the hallucination idea. Mostly because we see him with a camera-highlighted warning sign by his head, similar to vent boy in Vancouver. 

[ivenoidea]

I see Major Coats mentioned quite a bit in here, I'm not sure if this originated from here or not, but it's a good read so i guess everybody should check it out. Investigating Major Coats:

www.reddit.com/r/Indoctrinated/comments/t1rtj/a_major_it_breakthrough/

Edit: To anyone wondering, yes, that is a subreddit dedicated to Indoctrination Theory, not really active though.

Edit2: In response to the post just above mine which i didnt see until i posted this: This theory states that he is a reaper agent, which i find to be more likely.

Edit3: My posts always end up being the very last on the page, dammit.

Modifié par ivenoidea, 03 juin 2012 - 04:38 .